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Post by bigmouth22 on Jan 20, 2023 14:38:00 GMT -5
Heard Noel sayin he got the title 'Council Skies' from a book and asked the authour permission to use it.I see where he's coming from but I dont think it's a particularly good title.What I'm getting at is why Noel cant come up with an original title for his own album? It's not hard-just put two words together or whatever and bingo-job done.
This is obviously a pattern-'Be Here Now' came from some kinda hippy dippy book on meditation from some guru.'Heathen Chemistry' and 'Defintely Maybe' he saw on T-Shirts I believe.SOTSOG from the side of a two pound coin.
And some might say even after all that as titles they're fairly crap...
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Post by matt on Jan 21, 2023 8:09:45 GMT -5
I thought their album titles were cool up until Don't Believe The Truth. I don't know where that came from but it sounded like any generic indie landfill album title of that era. And Dig Out Your Soul came from Gem's lyric, although that's by far the worst Oasis album title. Generic, dull and uninspired, much like Gem Archer's songwriting itself.
Noel's solo titles are okay, although Chasing Yesterday and Council Skies suggests a lot of looking backwards. Who Built The Moon is cool though, remember looking at it first time and thinking what a weird and wonderful title it was, much like the album itself.
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Post by bigmouth22 on Jan 21, 2023 9:19:11 GMT -5
When I heard the title WBTM I immediately thought of David Icke who had written a book 'The Moon Matrix' around that time which claimed the moon was a artificial creation-a hollow base of some kind from which mankind was being manipulated.He was all over the internet giving interviews on the subject at the time.Of course Noel and bessie mate Russel were briefly Icke fanboys-even attending one of his gargantuan lectures so I'd be surprised if this wasn't the origin of the title.
Much as Noel does himself Icke was recycling a Moon theory floated in a book written many years previous.
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Post by matt on Jan 21, 2023 9:22:19 GMT -5
When I heard the title WBTM I immediately thought of David Icke who had written a book 'The Moon Matrix' around that time which claimed the moon was a artificial creation-a hollow base of some kind from which mankind was being manipulated.He was all over the internet giving interviews on the subject at the time.Of course Noel and bessie mate Russel were briefly Icke fanboys-even attending one of his gargantuan lectures so I'd be surprised if this wasn't the origin of the title. Much as Noel does himself Icke was recycling a Moon theory floated in a book written many years previous. I heard that, and that Noel was up for a laugh going to that lecture. Now that Brand revels in conspiracy bollocks, I'm now suspicious he was trying to influence Noel to his crackpot way of thinking! |
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Post by bigmouth22 on Jan 21, 2023 9:34:48 GMT -5
I think your underestimating Noel's penchant for a bitta weirdness.There's a long history of rockstar's seeking 'enlightenement'-the good ones anyway.
Icke came to realize they were in it mainly for a laff and branded Brand a Beverly Hill's revoloutionary.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 21, 2023 10:02:43 GMT -5
Who Built The Moon? was actually nicked off a conspiracy book with the same title, he said the theories inside it sound like Star Wars though  but he thought the title was cool |
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Post by bigmouth22 on Jan 21, 2023 10:09:23 GMT -5
Who Built The Moon? was actually nicked off a conspiracy book with the same title, he said the theories inside it sound like Star Wars though but he thought the title was cool We now know everything in that book was true... |
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 21, 2023 13:14:52 GMT -5
Well we all know that Noel loves nicking stuff for his songs etc so it's nothing new about where he got the title for his new album from.
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Post by matt on Jan 21, 2023 15:25:03 GMT -5
I think your underestimating Noel's penchant for a bitta weirdness.There's a long history of rockstar's seeking 'enlightenement'-the good ones anyway. Icke came to realize they were in it mainly for a laff and branded Brand a Beverly Hill's revoloutionary. True that. He has a respect for Teotihuacan, judging by that story when on a tour break he scolded the rest of Oasis in 1997 for larking around the sacred site. Which is fine, if he is into Aztec culture... but considering these sites are hotspots for crackpot theorists that think they are some communication satellites to aliens, he might also have thought they were pissing off ET. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 21, 2023 15:42:42 GMT -5
I think your underestimating Noel's penchant for a bitta weirdness.There's a long history of rockstar's seeking 'enlightenement'-the good ones anyway. Icke came to realize they were in it mainly for a laff and branded Brand a Beverly Hill's revoloutionary. True that. He has a respect for Teotihuacan, judging by that story when on a tour break he scolded the rest of Oasis in 1997 for larking around the sacred site. Which is fine, if he is into Aztec culture... but considering these sites are hotspots for crackpot theorists that think they are some communication satellites to aliens, he might also have thought they were pissing off ET. Could be given how much coke he was doing at the time, but that shit's cool as fuck to see even if you're a random human |
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Post by bigmouth22 on Jan 21, 2023 16:37:17 GMT -5
I think your underestimating Noel's penchant for a bitta weirdness.There's a long history of rockstar's seeking 'enlightenement'-the good ones anyway. Icke came to realize they were in it mainly for a laff and branded Brand a Beverly Hill's revoloutionary. True that. He has a respect for Teotihuacan, judging by that story when on a tour break he scolded the rest of Oasis in 1997 for larking around the sacred site. Which is fine, if he is into Aztec culture... but considering these sites are hotspots for crackpot theorists that think they are some communication satellites to aliens, he might also have thought they were pissing off ET. Heard him discuss this visit in almost quasi-religious tones.Really seemed to mean alot to him. Recently he discussed the goings on at Supernova Heights infamous heyday which would end with coked up dicussions about aliens and UFO's with strung out supermodels.He recalled how they'd watch bits of moon landing footage on repeat which seemed to prove to the revellers it was all staged. |
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Post by bigmouth22 on Jan 21, 2023 16:43:09 GMT -5
Well we all know that Noel loves nicking stuff for his songs etc so it's nothing new about where he got the title for his new album from. My point isn't that almost none of his album titles are original-it's why cant he seem to come up with an album title? It's not even a criticism really-in the grand scheme of things it's not that important.It's just a little strange. |
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Post by matt on Jan 21, 2023 17:14:18 GMT -5
True that. He has a respect for Teotihuacan, judging by that story when on a tour break he scolded the rest of Oasis in 1997 for larking around the sacred site. Which is fine, if he is into Aztec culture... but considering these sites are hotspots for crackpot theorists that think they are some communication satellites to aliens, he might also have thought they were pissing off ET. Heard him discuss this visit in almost quasi-religious tones.Really seemed to mean alot to him. Recently he discussed the goings on at Supernova Heights infamous heyday which w ould end with coked up dicussions about aliens and UFO's with strung out supermodels.He recalled how they'd watch bits of moon landing footage on repeat which seemed to prove to the revellers it was all staged. Yeah he did go through that weird phase. Note how Devils Tower in Wyoming was meant to be on the front cover of Be Here Now (all band members in famous locations 'all around the world'), a reference to Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Noel's coked up mind probably missed the point of that film and thought it was a documentary! |
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 22, 2023 13:51:48 GMT -5
Well we all know that Noel loves nicking stuff for his songs etc so it's nothing new about where he got the title for his new album from. My point isn't that almost none of his album titles are original-it's why cant he seem to come up with an album title? It's not even a criticism really-in the grand scheme of things it's not that important.It's just a little strange. Yeah, I totally agree with you and sometimes I wish that he would come up with his own album titles. Maybe when he sees a name on something he likes he thinks I'll use it for my next album. |
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Post by LlAM on Jan 25, 2023 8:32:58 GMT -5
Oasis album titles we're always (almost) British sayings or phrases though weren't they thus being impossible to be original.
And I always thought it added British charm to have the tongue in cheek titles.
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Post by Teotihuacan on Jan 25, 2023 9:25:48 GMT -5
Not Uk sayings as such but:
DM - came from the saying "A definite maybe": dictionary.com Are you going to Helen's party?" "It's a definite maybe.
WTSMG - From Melissa Lim answered the phone to Noel one day in 1994-5 with this greeting. According to Lim she got it from the movie Bye Bye Birdie.
BHN - Came from the 1960s hippy or Buddhist maxim quoted by Lennon in one of his final interviews, Dec 1980. "Some people will do anything rather than be here now."
SOTSOG - A phrase by Newton which was inscribed around the edges on the new UK 2 pound coin in 1999. If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.
HC - A T-shirt with logo 'Society of Heathen Chemists'. Coincidentally The Hindu Times's title was inspired by an Indian newspaper
DBTT - Noel's phrase (?) about media collusion in the rush to war in Iraq in 2002, Noel mentions this briefly in the commentary to one of the dbtt videos. Also a title which questions authority and hints at conspiracy.
DOYS - From Gem's song talking about playing soul records at the end of the world in a fantasy acopcalypse scenario, but has a double meaning about philosophy & religion.
NGHFB - Not sure where this title came from.
CY - From the song "The song remians the same" - partially shares its title with a 1973 Led Zeppelin song. A nostalgia reference picked on a whim in response to a deadline, Noel said he wasn't too fond of the title.
WBTM - About conspiracy theorists and moon landings which brings us back to where the thread kinda started, hmmmm.
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Post by bigmouth22 on Jan 25, 2023 10:32:07 GMT -5
Oasis album titles we're always (almost) British sayings or phrases though weren't they thus being impossible to be original. And I always thought it added British charm to have the tongue in cheek titles. That doesnt make any sense-they only became Oasis album titles when he chose them to be so.He could just as easily have coined an original phrase of his own such as-er lets say 'Council Skies' and used that.But instead he noticed a book on his shelf and rang the authour for permission. As above he only came up maybe with a couple of the titles...and one of them was his eponomous solo debut. |
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Post by bigmouth22 on Jan 26, 2023 6:15:05 GMT -5
Not Uk sayings as such but: DM - came from the saying "A definite maybe": dictionary.com Are you going to Helen's party?" "It's a definite maybe. WTSMG - From Melissa Lim answered the phone to Noel one day in 1994-5 with this greeting. According to Lim she got it from the movie Bye Bye Birdie. BHN - Came from the 1960s hippy or Buddhist maxim quoted by Lennon in one of his final interviews, Dec 1980. "Some people will do anything rather than be here now." SOTSOG - A phrase by Newton which was inscribed around the edges on the new UK 2 pound coin in 1999. If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants. HC - A T-shirt with logo 'Society of Heathen Chemists'. Coincidentally The Hindu Times's title was inspired by an Indian newspaper DBTT - Noel's phrase (?) about media collusion in the rush to war in Iraq in 2002, Noel mentions this briefly in the commentary to one of the dbtt videos. Also a title which questions authority and hints at conspiracy. DOYS - From Gem's song talking about playing soul records at the end of the world in a fantasy acopcalypse scenario, but has a double meaning about philosophy & religion. NGHFB - Not sure where this title came from. CY - From the song "The song remians the same" - partially shares its title with a 1973 Led Zeppelin song. A nostalgia reference picked on a whim in response to a deadline, Noel said he wasn't too fond of the title. WBTM - About conspiracy theorists and moon landings which brings us back to where the thread kinda started, hmmmm. I had wrongly atributed the title Definitely Maybe to being a t-shirt slogan.In fact there's footage where Noel says he was pissed in a Liverpool bar on a night out with the 'Realie's' when he looked up and saw it written on a flyer and not for the first time said 'Im havin' that!' Not exactly breaking news I know... |
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Post by garylineker on May 16, 2023 18:00:56 GMT -5
Really think you're all been overly critical to be honest. Titles become themselves if it's good enough in my opinion.
I can't think of a band name or album title that I've thought "that's shit" when I like the name or title. The Beatles would sound shit if it was some band down the pub.
What's The Story Morning Glory sounds amazing to me now, because of how great that album is. But said in isolation it's like what the fuck is that?
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Post by Zorro On Donuts on May 26, 2023 7:00:25 GMT -5
I sort of view Noel as a scrapbook artist. He has no shame in taking pieces of the world that already exist and making them his own. It's in his songwriting, melodies to album titles. And he does it in a way that make it all his own.
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Post by AllOrNothing on May 26, 2023 7:36:29 GMT -5
I sort of view Noel as a scrapbook artist. He has no shame in taking pieces of the world that already exist and making them his own. It's in his songwriting, melodies to album titles. And he does it in a way that make it all his own. That sort of makes him a honest rock&roll songwriter imo. It's all one giant rip off swindle and I can appreciate someone who doesn't try to hide the fact that rock music is all about stealing from elders and greaters |
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Post by glider on May 26, 2023 8:23:20 GMT -5
I thought their album titles were cool up until Don't Believe The Truth. I don't know where that came from but it sounded like any generic indie landfill album title of that era. And Dig Out Your Soul came from Gem's lyric, although that's by far the worst Oasis album title. Generic, dull and uninspired, much like Gem Archer's songwriting itself. Noel's solo titles are okay, although Chasing Yesterday and Council Skies suggests a lot of looking backwards. Who Built The Moon is cool though, remember looking at it first time and thinking what a weird and wonderful title it was, much like the album itself. Dig Out Your Soul is their best album title honestly. Heathen Chemistry sounds awful and represents that album fairly well. Don't Believe the Truth is a perfect title for that album, because people refuse to believe it's junk outside of 'Idle'. |
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Post by didthedamage on May 26, 2023 18:32:46 GMT -5
Not Uk sayings as such but: DM - came from the saying "A definite maybe": dictionary.com Are you going to Helen's party?" "It's a definite maybe. WTSMG - From Melissa Lim answered the phone to Noel one day in 1994-5 with this greeting. According to Lim she got it from the movie Bye Bye Birdie. BHN - Came from the 1960s hippy or Buddhist maxim quoted by Lennon in one of his final interviews, Dec 1980. "Some people will do anything rather than be here now." SOTSOG - A phrase by Newton which was inscribed around the edges on the new UK 2 pound coin in 1999. If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants. HC - A T-shirt with logo 'Society of Heathen Chemists'. Coincidentally The Hindu Times's title was inspired by an Indian newspaper DBTT - Noel's phrase (?) about media collusion in the rush to war in Iraq in 2002, Noel mentions this briefly in the commentary to one of the dbtt videos. Also a title which questions authority and hints at conspiracy. DOYS - From Gem's song talking about playing soul records at the end of the world in a fantasy acopcalypse scenario, but has a double meaning about philosophy & religion. NGHFB - Not sure where this title came from. CY - From the song "The song remians the same" - partially shares its title with a 1973 Led Zeppelin song. A nostalgia reference picked on a whim in response to a deadline, Noel said he wasn't too fond of the title. WBTM - About conspiracy theorists and moon landings which brings us back to where the thread kinda started, hmmmm. He got NG's HFB from Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac (the idea of it being the band leader's _____) and got HFB from the song High Flying Bird by Jefferson Airplane while listening to it in the kitchen one day. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on May 28, 2023 3:56:32 GMT -5
I like Who Built The Moon, but apart from that I can't say I really like any of Oasis' or Noel's album titles a lot. I guess Definitely Maybe is the best of the bunch.
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Post by Marissa on May 28, 2023 18:03:40 GMT -5
BHN - Came from the 1960s hippy or Buddhist maxim quoted by Lennon in one of his final interviews, Dec 1980. "Some people will do anything rather than be here now." Be Here Now is Ram Dass! great book |
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