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Post by sheisloved on May 25, 2024 21:33:51 GMT -5
Is anyone surprised by this? I’m surprised people are surprised. We’ll be over halfway through 2024 before he’s finished this tour. He’ll take some time off, he’ll have to sort out what he’s recorded and then he’ll go into the studio in 2025 and it’ll come out March-June 2026. It's interesting he squashed the accoustic album for a rock record right after LG released the album with Squire.. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on May 27, 2024 5:57:16 GMT -5
I’m surprised people are surprised. We’ll be over halfway through 2024 before he’s finished this tour. He’ll take some time off, he’ll have to sort out what he’s recorded and then he’ll go into the studio in 2025 and it’ll come out March-June 2026. It's interesting he squashed the accoustic album for a rock record right after LG released the album with Squire.. Seems more like coincidence than anything else. |
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Post by The Chief on May 30, 2024 8:31:41 GMT -5
I’m surprised people are surprised. We’ll be over halfway through 2024 before he’s finished this tour. He’ll take some time off, he’ll have to sort out what he’s recorded and then he’ll go into the studio in 2025 and it’ll come out March-June 2026. It's interesting he squashed the accoustic album for a rock record right after LG released the album with Squire.. I doubt that the two are connected. The acoustic album was clearly the mood he was in after his marital problems which have been going on for a while if we consider that both Dead to the World and Think of a Number were probably written around 2020, 2021. He's been divorced for a while and he's probably no longer in that headspace and is probably back in a positive headspace, which is less appropriate for a whole acoustic record. |
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Post by yellowd00d on May 30, 2024 12:56:15 GMT -5
On the latest Matt Morgan podcast he mentioned that it's not going very well in the studio at the minute. I'm paraphrasing here but he said something to the effect of:
"Everything I do sounds shit at the moment. I have loads of songs and they all sound good when I play them to myself at home, but everytime I try to record one of them in the studio they sound underwhelming as I listen back to them through the speakers."
He mused that perhaps this was the universes way of telling him that he shouldn't be in the studio right now, and he said he didn't know if it was because of the recordings actually being bad or just the headspace he was in at the moment.
He didn't say anything about scrapping the rock album the way he did the acoustic one, but it may be an indicator that we shouldn't take it for granted that he's gonna finish recording it. He talked about being in a creative rut and has seemed quite moody the last two times he was on.
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 30, 2024 19:28:06 GMT -5
On the latest Matt Morgan podcast he mentioned that it's not going very well in the studio at the minute. I'm paraphrasing here but he said something to the effect of: "Everything I do sounds shit at the moment. I have loads of songs and they all sound good when I play them to myself at home, but everytime I try to record one of them in the studio they sound underwhelming as I listen back to them through the speakers." He mused that perhaps this was the universes way of telling him that he shouldn't be in the studio right now, and he said he didn't know if it was because of the recordings actually being bad or just the headspace he was in at the moment. He didn't say anything about scrapping the rock album the way he did the acoustic one, but it may be an indicator that we shouldn't take it for granted that he's gonna finish recording it. He talked about being in a creative rut and has seemed quite moody the last two times he was on. I’ve been saying it for almost 25 years. Noel needs a strong producer. Someone to tell him right from wrong. Someone to challenge him. Someone who knows the technical nature of the studio space. I’m not sure a four star general like Noel should be the one and all voice on creativity. |
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Post by thespiderandthefly on May 30, 2024 20:06:52 GMT -5
Sounds under-whelming when coming out the speakers? I usually give my songs to Liam to sing when that happens…😜
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Post by dadrocker on May 31, 2024 9:11:38 GMT -5
lol
Maybe after Noel dies we'll get The Sock Drawer Anthology with all the shelved recordings/sessions over the years.
The DIV sessions
The AA album
The new disc of Oasis songs
The acoustic album
The rock album
TBA
TBA
TBA
That's a good start, no?
anything else?
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Post by thespiderandthefly on May 31, 2024 10:50:38 GMT -5
lol Maybe after Noel dies we'll get The Sock Drawer Anthology with all the shelved recordings/sessions over the years. The DIV sessions The AA album The new disc of Oasis songs The acoustic album The rock album TBA TBA TBA That's a good start, no? anything else? Well, don't forget the Bond Tune and the double album  |
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Post by dadrocker on May 31, 2024 19:21:30 GMT -5
lol Maybe after Noel dies we'll get The Sock Drawer Anthology with all the shelved recordings/sessions over the years. The DIV sessions The AA album The new disc of Oasis songs The acoustic album The rock album TBA TBA TBA That's a good start, no? anything else? Well, don't forget the Bond Tune and the double album The Bond Tune will be on the 30th anniversary edition of the Sock Drawer Anthology. 😊 |
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Post by andymorris on Jun 1, 2024 7:11:15 GMT -5
On the latest Matt Morgan podcast he mentioned that it's not going very well in the studio at the minute. I'm paraphrasing here but he said something to the effect of: "Everything I do sounds shit at the moment. I have loads of songs and they all sound good when I play them to myself at home, but everytime I try to record one of them in the studio they sound underwhelming as I listen back to them through the speakers." He mused that perhaps this was the universes way of telling him that he shouldn't be in the studio right now, and he said he didn't know if it was because of the recordings actually being bad or just the headspace he was in at the moment. He didn't say anything about scrapping the rock album the way he did the acoustic one, but it may be an indicator that we shouldn't take it for granted that he's gonna finish recording it. He talked about being in a creative rut and has seemed quite moody the last two times he was on. I’ve been saying it for almost 25 years. Noel needs a strong producer. Someone to tell him right from wrong. Someone to challenge him. Someone who knows the technical nature of the studio space. I’m not sure a four star general like Noel should be the one and all voice on creativity. Agreed. CS was kinda like that. Someone who does not know where to go. He needs maybe to record somewhere else, not in London. Maybe try again with Owen Morris. |
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Post by matt on Jun 1, 2024 15:56:02 GMT -5
On the latest Matt Morgan podcast he mentioned that it's not going very well in the studio at the minute. I'm paraphrasing here but he said something to the effect of: "Everything I do sounds shit at the moment. I have loads of songs and they all sound good when I play them to myself at home, but everytime I try to record one of them in the studio they sound underwhelming as I listen back to them through the speakers." He mused that perhaps this was the universes way of telling him that he shouldn't be in the studio right now, and he said he didn't know if it was because of the recordings actually being bad or just the headspace he was in at the moment. He didn't say anything about scrapping the rock album the way he did the acoustic one, but it may be an indicator that we shouldn't take it for granted that he's gonna finish recording it. He talked about being in a creative rut and has seemed quite moody the last two times he was on. I’ve been saying it for almost 25 years. Noel needs a strong producer. Someone to tell him right from wrong. Someone to challenge him. Someone who knows the technical nature of the studio space. I’m not sure a four star general like Noel should be the one and all voice on creativity. He's too lazy or insecure to be challenged in the studio. If he wants to make great music, he has to ask himself what great artist or songwriter hasn't benefited from a creative foil alongside them (whether that be producer or co-writer)? Rarely anyone of great talent does these things solely by themselves. Unless he's Bob Dylan or Kate Bush, but he ain't close to either of those two. |
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Post by shadowcaster on Jun 2, 2024 8:28:28 GMT -5
He should take the best songs from the rock album & the best songs from the acoustic album and make one strong record out of it, with a producer who can make it sound good
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Post by Derrick on Jun 2, 2024 17:04:40 GMT -5
On the latest Matt Morgan podcast he mentioned that it's not going very well in the studio at the minute. I'm paraphrasing here but he said something to the effect of: "Everything I do sounds shit at the moment. I have loads of songs and they all sound good when I play them to myself at home, but everytime I try to record one of them in the studio they sound underwhelming as I listen back to them through the speakers." He mused that perhaps this was the universes way of telling him that he shouldn't be in the studio right now, and he said he didn't know if it was because of the recordings actually being bad or just the headspace he was in at the moment. He didn't say anything about scrapping the rock album the way he did the acoustic one, but it may be an indicator that we shouldn't take it for granted that he's gonna finish recording it. He talked about being in a creative rut and has seemed quite moody the last two times he was on. I’ve been saying it for almost 25 years. Noel needs a strong producer. Someone to tell him right from wrong. Someone to challenge him. Someone who knows the technical nature of the studio space. I’m not sure a four star general like Noel should be the one and all voice on creativity. David Holmes did just that, definitely challenged him. Unfortunately to mixed results, granted, but it seems Noel gladly reverted to type, back in his comfort zone making all the creative decisions himself. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 2, 2024 17:30:27 GMT -5
I’ve been saying it for almost 25 years. Noel needs a strong producer. Someone to tell him right from wrong. Someone to challenge him. Someone who knows the technical nature of the studio space. I’m not sure a four star general like Noel should be the one and all voice on creativity. David Holmes did just that, definitely challenged him. Unfortunately to mixed results, granted, but it seems Noel gladly reverted to type, back in his comfort zone making all the creative decisions himself. Yes but those were very long and drawn out process from 2013 to 2017. Noel needs to hammer out a record in 2-3 weeks with a producer guidance. |
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Jun 2, 2024 18:36:52 GMT -5
Agree with sentiments above...
I think the good news is he doesn't have writer's block -- lots of songs that meet his standards to bring into the studio -- but he has PRODUCTION "block", and he needs to link up with a good producer. I know David Holmes has this 'no demos' policy, but Noel should send him everything he's got, get him to reverse course on his policy, and get down to business. Whatever one may personally think of WBTM, it does sound great and dynamic and alive. And I say this as someone who prefers more middle-of-the-road Noel like CY and CS.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jun 2, 2024 23:28:24 GMT -5
I’ve been saying it for almost 25 years. Noel needs a strong producer. Someone to tell him right from wrong. Someone to challenge him. Someone who knows the technical nature of the studio space. I’m not sure a four star general like Noel should be the one and all voice on creativity. Agreed. CS was kinda like that. Someone who does not know where to go. He needs maybe to record somewhere else, not in London. Maybe try again with Owen Morris. No. Owen brick walled already brilliant songs to make them sound huge and was right for them in the 90s. But he’s not a great producer. Very little of what he’s done outside of oasis is any good. |
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Post by andymorris on Jun 3, 2024 2:40:34 GMT -5
Agreed. CS was kinda like that. Someone who does not know where to go. He needs maybe to record somewhere else, not in London. Maybe try again with Owen Morris. No. Owen brick walled already brilliant songs to make them sound huge and was right for them in the 90s. But he’s not a great producer. Very little of what he’s done outside of oasis is any good. I disagree. The brickwalling is most likely not Owen Morris, it comes from mastering. Listen to SACD version the sound is absolutely fantastic, or Sardy's remixes. Owen Morris captured Oasis, he recorded the best album of the 90s FFS. + remember a producer mixes an album for the gear available at the time. And for the gear we had, it was the way to go. Nowadays, i'm sure he would have done things differently. Even BHN is amazing when properly remixed (Noel's rethink). Its the same tracks, only done a bit different. Owen Morris doesn't get enough credit, and he could give some life back into Noel's tired tunes. As for other bands, you can polish... etc so if he didn't get great bands to produce, there wasn't much to save. He's done Ash's 1977 which is great... Just like Blur always worked great with Stephen Street, Noel could use a producer of that kinda. someone who knows him. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jun 3, 2024 4:52:23 GMT -5
No. Owen brick walled already brilliant songs to make them sound huge and was right for them in the 90s. But he’s not a great producer. Very little of what he’s done outside of oasis is any good. I disagree. The brickwalling is most likely not Owen Morris, it comes from mastering. Listen to SACD version the sound is absolutely fantastic, or Sardy's remixes. Owen Morris captured Oasis, he recorded the best album of the 90s FFS. + remember a producer mixes an album for the gear available at the time. And for the gear we had, it was the way to go. Nowadays, i'm sure he would have done things differently. Even BHN is amazing when properly remixed (Noel's rethink). Its the same tracks, only done a bit different. Owen Morris doesn't get enough credit, and he could give some life back into Noel's tired tunes. As for other bands, you can polish... etc so if he didn't get great bands to produce, there wasn't much to save. He's done Ash's 1977 which is great... Just like Blur always worked great with Stephen Street, Noel could use a producer of that kinda. someone who knows him. Of course the brick walling came from Owen! He mastered the first two albums. He talks about brick walling on the Definitely Maybe DVD. And elsewhere he said the brick walling was to cover up his less than stellar mixes. |
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Post by halfthetalktonight on Jun 3, 2024 13:15:26 GMT -5
Ultimately he needs a mix of the two things. Working with a challenging producer like he did with David Holmes who is also quite opinionated when it comes to recording, but someone who lets him have a say and manage the music. Not sure why he had to abandon that route entirely and go straight to working on his own. Maybe he built the studio and now feels he has to stay there in order to justify the cost. Most decent producers these days would want to record an artist in their own studio where they're comfortable.
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Post by andymorris on Jun 5, 2024 2:01:01 GMT -5
I disagree. The brickwalling is most likely not Owen Morris, it comes from mastering. Listen to SACD version the sound is absolutely fantastic, or Sardy's remixes. Owen Morris captured Oasis, he recorded the best album of the 90s FFS. + remember a producer mixes an album for the gear available at the time. And for the gear we had, it was the way to go. Nowadays, i'm sure he would have done things differently. Even BHN is amazing when properly remixed (Noel's rethink). Its the same tracks, only done a bit different. Owen Morris doesn't get enough credit, and he could give some life back into Noel's tired tunes. As for other bands, you can polish... etc so if he didn't get great bands to produce, there wasn't much to save. He's done Ash's 1977 which is great... Just like Blur always worked great with Stephen Street, Noel could use a producer of that kinda. someone who knows him. Of course the brick walling came from Owen! He mastered the first two albums. He talks about brick walling on the Definitely Maybe DVD. And elsewhere he said the brick walling was to cover up his less than stellar mixes. Ok then my mistake, the info on the web says otherwise but apparently he did. BUT, that doesn't hide the fact that the recording is good. MG has a unique sound, regardless of mastering, which is a totally different thing. Council Skies is tired and badly mastered. For most of it it cant be saved because the original recording is tedious. MG is not. Its full of life, original, and captures the song perfectly. Its a one of a kind record, same goes for BHN regardless of the quality of the songs. Both of his Oasis produced record are unique. They dont sound like anything else. Remember Owen Morris also saved Oasis with DM. I mean come on, whatever shitty work he did on the mastering, its a whole different story for the producing/mixing part for MG and mix for DM. To me anyway, someone who produces a record shouldn't be in charge of mastering. Two different jobs. Owen Morris has a gritty sound that could benefit Noel lately. I'm all for a new mix and master of DM and MG as with modern day equipements they sound shite, but the original recordings are there. And cant be touched, they are perfect. |
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Post by andymorris on Jun 5, 2024 3:42:52 GMT -5
Apparently, despite what Morris claims, it was not entirely mastered by him: Noel wanted it loud, Morris agreed, did a master, and Barry Grint did the ending job. forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/oasis-albums-not-a-lost-cause.814685/page-4So 3 men are at fault here. And i believe strongly that producing, mixing and mastering should be done by 3 different people. With the artist overseeing the 3 step work. But that's in an ideal world. Of course it never happens like that. more if you're interested |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jun 5, 2024 4:32:20 GMT -5
Apparently, despite what Morris claims, it was not entirely mastered by him: Noel wanted it loud, Morris agreed, did a master, and Barry Grint did the ending job. forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/oasis-albums-not-a-lost-cause.814685/page-4So 3 men are at fault here. And i believe strongly that producing, mixing and mastering should be done by 3 different people. With the artist overseeing the 3 step work. But that's in an ideal world. Of course it never happens like that. more if you're interested Owen disputes this: About the mastering: what would be the main audible differences between the un-mastered and mastered versions? A friend of mine has a promotional ‘advance CD’ of Morning Glory which he thinks is un-mastered but we don’t know how to check, so any hints as to what to listen for in an un-mastered copy would be great. There’s a sad dispute about the mastering going on: some bloke that I or Ignition have never met is claiming to have mastered it.*(see footnote-Ed.) I mastered Morning Glory in Orinoco and all the copies thereafter should have sounded the same. www.oasis-recordinginfo.co.uk/?page_id=6 |
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Post by andymorris on Jun 5, 2024 4:43:55 GMT -5
Apparently, despite what Morris claims, it was not entirely mastered by him: Noel wanted it loud, Morris agreed, did a master, and Barry Grint did the ending job. forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/oasis-albums-not-a-lost-cause.814685/page-4So 3 men are at fault here. And i believe strongly that producing, mixing and mastering should be done by 3 different people. With the artist overseeing the 3 step work. But that's in an ideal world. Of course it never happens like that. more if you're interested Owen disputes this: About the mastering: what would be the main audible differences between the un-mastered and mastered versions? A friend of mine has a promotional ‘advance CD’ of Morning Glory which he thinks is un-mastered but we don’t know how to check, so any hints as to what to listen for in an un-mastered copy would be great. There’s a sad dispute about the mastering going on: some bloke that I or Ignition have never met is claiming to have mastered it.*(see footnote-Ed.) I mastered Morning Glory in Orinoco and all the copies thereafter should have sounded the same. www.oasis-recordinginfo.co.uk/?page_id=6Yeah that's i read too. I suppose Morris wants full credits for one of the best record of the generation. Cant see why the guy would lie though, doesn't seem to be after "fame" or whatever. Its not unsual Record label go behind backs to "save" a record though. But the guy seem to mention they worked together... so drugs, alcohol and loss of memory ?  The bottom line is, it can sound great with Morris original production. Just need remixing and a proper remaster, like the Beatles with Giles Martin. |
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Post by mossy on Jun 11, 2024 5:03:24 GMT -5
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Post by ChampagneHypernova on Jun 19, 2024 6:19:53 GMT -5
What about Nigel Godrich for the next album?
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