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Post by niftium on Mar 12, 2024 9:14:40 GMT -5
Yeah? I haven’t heard about these cases. Do you remember which artists?… I’m interested Didn't Oasis got out one with Stop the Clocks? I know that U2 did with U218 Singles, I thought their cop out was Time Flies..., but maybe STC was another one.
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Post by darmin on Mar 12, 2024 9:22:07 GMT -5
Yeah? I haven’t heard about these cases. Do you remember which artists?… I’m interested Didn't Oasis got out one with Stop the Clocks? I know that U2 did with U218 Singles, Thanks! But those are compilation albums (I assume they sold well in pre-streaming era so I got it). I’m asking more about live albums
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Post by andymorris on Mar 12, 2024 10:47:05 GMT -5
Yeah? I haven’t heard about these cases. Do you remember which artists?… I’m interested Didn't Oasis got out one with Stop the Clocks? I know that U2 did with U218 Singles, Eagles is the biggest example, releasing both a live albums and compilations to end their record deal. Elton John did it too with a compilation if im not mistaken. McCartney did it with wings as well (wings over america and two other : Thrillington and Wings Greatest). And probably many others i have not heard about. There's also the case of the "rushed" album by the mamas and papas called "people like us" that people think is crap, because (its the other way around) the record label made them record it although they had broken up. I like this record though. And some artists also release crap album or subpar material to get out of contract (Neil Young). Anything is possible, unless its clearly stated in the contract that the deal only is studio recordings. But I doubt this exists much since live albums or compilations : 1-cost nothing 2-usually make (made) big money. 3-can be a way for both parties to part ways easily (greatest hits too) if things dont work out.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 14, 2024 15:35:12 GMT -5
ITS SQUIRE ON STAGE WITH O-A-SIS.
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Post by thestylecouncil on Apr 16, 2024 12:51:12 GMT -5
I watched an interview from 2017 a few days ago which made me remember that Liam recorded 22 songs for As You Were. 15 are on the deluxe version, so I wonder if the remaining 7 ended up on any of his other albums or if they're still in the vaults and if we could hear them on a future release.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if the unreleased songs are absolutely amazing considering that on all of Liam's solo albums some of my favourite songs are always among the bonus tracks.
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Post by supertronic on Apr 16, 2024 14:08:51 GMT -5
I watched an interview from 2017 a few days ago which made me remember that Liam recorded 22 songs for As You Were. 15 are on the deluxe version, so I wonder if the remaining 7 ended up on any of his other albums or if they're still in the vaults and if we could hear them on a future release. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the unreleased songs are absolutely amazing considering that on all of Liam's solo albums some of my favourite songs are always among the bonus tracks. I guess one of this 7 is Eh La which I really thinks is properly mediocre. I'm guessing the rest just weren't up to scratch
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Post by thestylecouncil on Apr 16, 2024 14:24:49 GMT -5
I watched an interview from 2017 a few days ago which made me remember that Liam recorded 22 songs for As You Were. 15 are on the deluxe version, so I wonder if the remaining 7 ended up on any of his other albums or if they're still in the vaults and if we could hear them on a future release. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the unreleased songs are absolutely amazing considering that on all of Liam's solo albums some of my favourite songs are always among the bonus tracks. I guess one of this 7 is Eh La which I really thinks is properly mediocre. I'm guessing the rest just weren't up to scratch Ooh yes, I feel like that's likely one of them. There could still be some real good stuff tho
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Post by matt on Apr 16, 2024 15:25:54 GMT -5
Ah please no Ashcroft the guy is really bad, he wrote one good song and got sued and never wrote a decent song again Most overrated guy from the britpop era. It’s fine as it is plus they’re hired excellent musicians With The Verve, the whole is definitely greater than the sum of its parts. Who knows what kind of career they'd have had post-Urban Hymns if (a) Ashcroft dropped his messianic complex and (b) realised he isn't a god given talent in songwriting. He had a purple patch of good tracks on Urban Hymns but his solo career is maudlin saccharine dreck. The rest of The Verve are top though. McCabe especially. Give Ashcroft an interesting backing track courtesy of these talented guys and he'll do fine. Give him an acoustic guitar, then run a mile.
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Post by mancraider on Apr 16, 2024 16:20:01 GMT -5
I guess one of this 7 is Eh La which I really thinks is properly mediocre. I'm guessing the rest just weren't up to scratch Ooh yes, I feel like that's likely one of them. There could still be some real good stuff tho he registered a song called Anythings Possible on ASCAP during AYW era. Never been heard or even mentioned since as far as I'm aware.
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Post by jh on Apr 17, 2024 11:31:10 GMT -5
I watched an interview from 2017 a few days ago which made me remember that Liam recorded 22 songs for As You Were. 15 are on the deluxe version, so I wonder if the remaining 7 ended up on any of his other albums or if they're still in the vaults and if we could hear them on a future release. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the unreleased songs are absolutely amazing considering that on all of Liam's solo albums some of my favourite songs are always among the bonus tracks. I guess one of this 7 is Eh La which I really thinks is properly mediocre. I'm guessing the rest just weren't up to scratch For me Eh La is probably his shittest track to date. They can leave that in the deep hole where it belongs. I would love some more tunes in the "Doesnt have to be that way" vien
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Post by tomlivesforever on Apr 17, 2024 12:04:35 GMT -5
I would love him to take some of his stuff in to work with Squire.
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Post by tiger40 on Apr 17, 2024 12:15:34 GMT -5
Ah please no Ashcroft the guy is really bad, he wrote one good song and got sued and never wrote a decent song again Most overrated guy from the britpop era. It’s fine as it is plus they’re hired excellent musicians With The Verve, the whole is definitely greater than the sum of its parts. Who knows what kind of career they'd have had post-Urban Hymns if (a) Ashcroft dropped his messianic complex and (b) realised he isn't a god given talent in songwriting. He had a purple patch of good tracks on Urban Hymns but his solo career is maudlin saccharine dreck. The rest of The Verve are top though. McCabe especially. Give Ashcroft an interesting backing track courtesy of these talented guys and he'll do fine. Give him an acoustic guitar, then run a mile. I would hate Liam to work with Ashcroft on one of his solo albums. However, I've always liked A Song For The Lovers by Ashcroft but that's about it regarding his solo stuff.
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Post by matt on Apr 17, 2024 15:33:09 GMT -5
With The Verve, the whole is definitely greater than the sum of its parts. Who knows what kind of career they'd have had post-Urban Hymns if (a) Ashcroft dropped his messianic complex and (b) realised he isn't a god given talent in songwriting. He had a purple patch of good tracks on Urban Hymns but his solo career is maudlin saccharine dreck. The rest of The Verve are top though. McCabe especially. Give Ashcroft an interesting backing track courtesy of these talented guys and he'll do fine. Give him an acoustic guitar, then run a mile. I would hate Liam to work with Ashcroft on one of his solo albums. However, I've always liked A Song For The Lovers by Ashcroft but that's about it regarding his solo stuff. True, Liam is far too good for Richard Ashcroft.
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Post by glider on Apr 17, 2024 17:41:10 GMT -5
Ah please no Ashcroft the guy is really bad, he wrote one good song and got sued and never wrote a decent song again Most overrated guy from the britpop era. It’s fine as it is plus they’re hired excellent musicians With The Verve, the whole is definitely greater than the sum of its parts. Who knows what kind of career they'd have had post-Urban Hymns if (a) Ashcroft dropped his messianic complex and (b) realised he isn't a god given talent in songwriting. He had a purple patch of good tracks on Urban Hymns but his solo career is maudlin saccharine dreck. The rest of The Verve are top though. McCabe especially. Give Ashcroft an interesting backing track courtesy of these talented guys and he'll do fine. Give him an acoustic guitar, then run a mile. Richard as a "Feel Flows" lyricist is up there with Stipe and Bono for me. Give him a mic and sprawling flow of music and he'll condense it into something single worthy. Give him an acoustic and he'll leave a generic loaf.
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Post by tiger40 on Apr 18, 2024 12:12:59 GMT -5
I would hate Liam to work with Ashcroft on one of his solo albums. However, I've always liked A Song For The Lovers by Ashcroft but that's about it regarding his solo stuff. True, Liam is far too good for Richard Ashcroft. Yeah, Liam is and I fully agree with you there.
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Post by matt on Apr 19, 2024 19:20:06 GMT -5
With The Verve, the whole is definitely greater than the sum of its parts. Who knows what kind of career they'd have had post-Urban Hymns if (a) Ashcroft dropped his messianic complex and (b) realised he isn't a god given talent in songwriting. He had a purple patch of good tracks on Urban Hymns but his solo career is maudlin saccharine dreck. The rest of The Verve are top though. McCabe especially. Give Ashcroft an interesting backing track courtesy of these talented guys and he'll do fine. Give him an acoustic guitar, then run a mile. Richard as a "Feel Flows" lyricist is up there with Stipe and Bono for me. Give him a mic and sprawling flow of music and he'll condense it into something single worthy. Give him an acoustic and he'll leave a generic loaf. The difference in greatness is some kind of humility. Bono and Stipe had the humility and self awareness to step aside and allow the band to dictate where songs went. Hence why both of their bands have at least seven albums each that can be considered truly great. On the other hand, Ashcroft's ego destroyed his band not once, not twice but three times. The man is an a-grade weapon and reading stories about him makes me admire the rest of The Verve even more for having to put up with him.
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Post by OasisFan199 on Apr 20, 2024 17:11:00 GMT -5
True, Liam is far too good for Richard Ashcroft. Yeah, Liam is and I fully agree with you there. Agree. Ashcroft hasn’t been interesting in decades.
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Post by OasisFan199 on Apr 20, 2024 17:12:00 GMT -5
With The Verve, the whole is definitely greater than the sum of its parts. Who knows what kind of career they'd have had post-Urban Hymns if (a) Ashcroft dropped his messianic complex and (b) realised he isn't a god given talent in songwriting. He had a purple patch of good tracks on Urban Hymns but his solo career is maudlin saccharine dreck. The rest of The Verve are top though. McCabe especially. Give Ashcroft an interesting backing track courtesy of these talented guys and he'll do fine. Give him an acoustic guitar, then run a mile. Richard as a "Feel Flows" lyricist is up there with Stipe and Bono for me. Give him a mic and sprawling flow of music and he'll condense it into something single worthy. Give him an acoustic and he'll leave a generic loaf. All three are boring lyricists. Ashcroft sings lullaby love songs to a 4 chord mid tempo and calls it a career.
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