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Post by eyeflying on Jul 15, 2022 3:49:18 GMT -5
Hi!
I was at the Beauregard festival that Liam cancelled in the middle of without explanation or anything so I'll try to give my point of view:
Firstly, he looked pissed off before he even went on stage but from my point of view he didn't look drunk at all or at least I've seen worse from him. He went on stage and then he went out and then he came back. After that, he interrupted several songs supposedly because of the sound and then because of the light. I was in the audience and I didn't see any technical problems but I'm not a technician. The problem is that the first time he interrupted a song, the audience didn't say anything. But when he interrupted the concert a second and third time, it was getting to be a lot for the audience and they were really hostile. The crowd booed him. Liam, who had previously insulted the technicians, started to get angry at the audience too. And when he left during Stand by me, without saying a word, I've never seen such hatred towards an artist. There were more than 25,000 people booing him. People calling him names, demanding their money back and even threatening him with death. And even today, a week after this concert, I see very negative comments about him everywhere in the French press and on social networks. To give an example, yesterday I was reading about an electro music festival in Normandy and the first comment under the publication was 'You can go to this festival without worrying. Liam Gallagher won't be there to spoil the party' and that comment had over 600 likes. He is really hated by a good majority of French people today.
And I understand them. First of all we couldn't get our money back. Secondly, they were playing at 11:30 pm so some people, including me, waited for him all day. I was personally sitting high up with the disabled people, I saw him with my own eyes leave the stage and go straight to his car without stopping for a second while insulting and making big gestures to the people who tried to stop him. So yes, maybe he had laryngitis, why not. But when I see him say he's disappointed that he let the audience down, it makes me mad. Not after insulting the audience, the technicians and the organisers. Not after leaving without any explanation or words. When he left, some people waited for more than half an hour on the spot to know if he was going to come back or not because Liam didn't explain himself but neither did his team and neither did the organisers.
So yes I was an Oasis fan before and I'll remain one until the end. I'll always listen to his solo career too. But I'm still pissed off at Liam and his hypocritical tweets. Even the French journalists who were there quoted his tweet to say that this was not at all how things were experienced there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2022 4:12:26 GMT -5
"even threatening him with death"
Well, I hope those people never go to gigs again.
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Post by chamu on Jul 15, 2022 4:52:50 GMT -5
Hi! I was at the Beauregard festival that Liam cancelled in the middle of without explanation or anything so I'll try to give my point of view: Firstly, he looked pissed off before he even went on stage but from my point of view he didn't look drunk at all or at least I've seen worse from him. He went on stage and then he went out and then he came back. After that, he interrupted several songs supposedly because of the sound and then because of the light. I was in the audience and I didn't see any technical problems but I'm not a technician. The problem is that the first time he interrupted a song, the audience didn't say anything. But when he interrupted the concert a second and third time, it was getting to be a lot for the audience and they were really hostile. The crowd booed him. Liam, who had previously insulted the technicians, started to get angry at the audience too. And when he left during Stand by me, without saying a word, I've never seen such hatred towards an artist. There were more than 25,000 people booing him. People calling him names, demanding their money back and even threatening him with death. And even today, a week after this concert, I see very negative comments about him everywhere in the French press and on social networks. To give an example, yesterday I was reading about an electro music festival in Normandy and the first comment under the publication was 'You can go to this festival without worrying. Liam Gallagher won't be there to spoil the party' and that comment had over 600 likes. He is really hated by a good majority of French people today. And I understand them. First of all we couldn't get our money back. Secondly, they were playing at 11:30 pm so some people, including me, waited for him all day. I was personally sitting high up with the disabled people, I saw him with my own eyes leave the stage and go straight to his car without stopping for a second while insulting and making big gestures to the people who tried to stop him. So yes, maybe he had laryngitis, why not. But when I see him say he's disappointed that he let the audience down, it makes me mad. Not after insulting the audience, the technicians and the organisers. Not after leaving without any explanation or words. When he left, some people waited for more than half an hour on the spot to know if he was going to come back or not because Liam didn't explain himself but neither did his team and neither did the organisers. So yes I was an Oasis fan before and I'll remain one until the end. I'll always listen to his solo career too. But I'm still pissed off at Liam and his hypocritical tweets. Even the French journalists who were there quoted his tweet to say that this was not at all how things were experienced there. When he has left other gigs during his "solo" career it looked like he was struggling with his voice but this night his voice was fine at all, so i can´t believe this laryngitis excuse. He was angry for whatever reason and we will only know the truth if he says it publicy. The standard pattern for Liam, being drunk, angry or losing his voice is leaving the scene without any word. Typically Liam. And he should change that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2022 8:20:56 GMT -5
Hi! I was personally sitting high up with the disabled people
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Post by blkc on Jul 15, 2022 9:56:42 GMT -5
"even threatening him with death" Well, I hope those people never go to gigs again. Obviously it was not real death threats... and I'm sure you know that. There's always a few idiots saying stupid things in any show in the world. Didn't heard death threats myself, but there was many mean comments yes, some actually very funny if you don't mind laughing a little bit at Liam, but I will not repeat them here. ^^ People had all the reasons to be angry, Liam was disrespectful to the audience that night, I'm sure I don't have to teach you that when angry, people over-react and say things that they don't really mean. Doesn't that remind you of someone ? Because Liam IS that kind of guy too... He deserved the angry reaction because he did shit and clearly didn't care at all about the audience, from the start. I remember Peter Doherty canceling a show in France, at last minute, because he was drunk or whatever and feeling bad and the reaction was the same. Even if there was really a crazy maniac death threatening for real Liam (and I'm sure you don't believe that), it changes nothing. And considering the really, really weird (or stupid) threats Liam did many times to various people... I really can't see how this is shocking... at all. ^^ |
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Post by blkc on Jul 15, 2022 9:58:48 GMT -5
"even threatening him with death" Well, I hope those people never go to gigs again. Obviously it was not real death threats... and I'm sure you know that. There's always a few idiots saying stupid things in any show in the world. Didn't heard death threats myself, but there was many mean comments yes, some actually very funny if you don't mind laughing a little bit at Liam, but I will not repeat them here. ^^ People had all the reasons to be angry, Liam was disrespectful to the audience that night, I'm sure I don't have to teach you that when angry, people over-react and say things that they don't really mean. Doesn't that remind you of someone ? Because Liam IS that kind of guy too... He deserved the angry reaction because he did shit and clearly didn't care at all about the audience, from the start. I remember Peter Doherty canceling a show in France, at last minute, because he was drunk or whatever and feeling bad and the reaction was the same. Even if there was really a crazy maniac death threatening for real Liam (and I'm sure you don't believe that), it changes nothing. And considering the really, really weird (or stupid) threats Liam did many times to various people... I really can't see how this is shocking... at all. He doesn't mind acting like this, so I'm sure he's a big boy enough to deal with angry words... ^^ |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2022 10:06:12 GMT -5
just had a quick listen to the tape someone uploaded of the french show and it sounds to me like it's problems with the stage crew, lights definitely, onstage sound probably, probably got fucked about with in other ways and essentially just did a 'fuck off who needs it' move. good for him.
a lot of people on here won't realise that there can be a lot of behind the scenes shit goes on at festivals and big line up gigs and liam's at a point where he doesn't need to take any of it.
if that's unprofessional so be it.
If someone's fucking you about in life, ehether it's at work or not, you can either swallow it or do what he did.
there's certainly nothing wrong with his voice and he doesn't sound drunk either.
he essentially did a 'you can take your franking machine and stuff it up your arse' move.
I love it, it's what (still) sets him apart.
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Post by darmin on Jul 15, 2022 10:28:51 GMT -5
"even threatening him with death" Well, I hope those people never go to gigs again. Obviously it was not real death threats... and I'm sure you know that. There's always a few idiots saying stupid things in any show in the world. Didn't heard death threats myself, but there was many mean comments yes, some actually very funny if you don't mind laughing a little bit at Liam, but I will not repeat them here. ^^ People had all the reasons to be angry, Liam was disrespectful to the audience that night, I'm sure I don't have to teach you that when angry, people over-react and say things that they don't really mean. Doesn't that remind you of someone ? Because Liam IS that kind of guy too... He deserved the angry reaction because he did shit and clearly didn't care at all about the audience, from the start. I remember Peter Doherty canceling a show in France, at last minute, because he was drunk or whatever and feeling bad and the reaction was the same. Even if there was really a crazy maniac death threatening for real Liam (and I'm sure you don't believe that), it changes nothing. And considering the really, really weird (or stupid) threats Liam did many times to various people... I really can't see how this is shocking... at all. ^^ Well don’t be shy. Repeat them here if they are so funny, can repeat death threat too, not big deal ^^ |
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Post by blkc on Jul 15, 2022 10:30:13 GMT -5
just had a quick listen to the tape someone uploaded of the french show and it sounds to me like it's problems with the stage crew, lights definitely, onstage sound probably, probably got fucked about with in other ways and essentially just did a 'fuck off who needs it' move. good for him. a lot of people on here won't realise that there can be a lot of behind the scenes shit goes on at festivals and big line up gigs and liam's at a point where he doesn't need to take any of it. if that's unprofessional so be it. If someone's fucking you about in life, ehether it's at work or not, you can either swallow it or do what he did. there's certainly nothing wrong with his voice and he doesn't sound drunk either. he essentially did a 'you can take your franking machine and stuff it up your arse' move. I love it, it's what (still) sets him apart. I love how everyone is wrong, even the audience, you weren't there but know better and just dissmiss what people say... I love how everyone is to blame except Liam... What a wonderful world... Everyone is unprofesionnal except him... Is this a joke ? There's nothing cool or rock n roll when he's acting like this... how many people who were actually at this show thinks it was cool ? My guess is none. |
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Post by blkc on Jul 15, 2022 10:32:56 GMT -5
Obviously it was not real death threats... and I'm sure you know that. There's always a few idiots saying stupid things in any show in the world. Didn't heard death threats myself, but there was many mean comments yes, some actually very funny if you don't mind laughing a little bit at Liam, but I will not repeat them here. ^^ People had all the reasons to be angry, Liam was disrespectful to the audience that night, I'm sure I don't have to teach you that when angry, people over-react and say things that they don't really mean. Doesn't that remind you of someone ? Because Liam IS that kind of guy too... He deserved the angry reaction because he did shit and clearly didn't care at all about the audience, from the start. I remember Peter Doherty canceling a show in France, at last minute, because he was drunk or whatever and feeling bad and the reaction was the same. Even if there was really a crazy maniac death threatening for real Liam (and I'm sure you don't believe that), it changes nothing. And considering the really, really weird (or stupid) threats Liam did many times to various people... I really can't see how this is shocking... at all. ^^ Well don’t be shy. Repeat them here if they are so funny, can repeat death threat too, not big deal ^^ I wasn't talking about death threats, didn't heard any as I say... It was more some kind of jokes, but hard ones  And no, I know for sure some people will not find it funny, and I understand that. The point was just that people say a lot of things when angry, it doesn't mean much. ^^ |
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Post by darmin on Jul 15, 2022 10:38:08 GMT -5
Well don’t be shy. Repeat them here if they are so funny, can repeat death threat too, not big deal ^^ I wasn't talking about death threats, didn't heard any as I say... It was more some kind of jokes, but hard ones And no, I know for sure some people will not find it funny, and I understand that. The point was just that people say a lot of things when angry, it doesn't mean much. ^^ I think if people don’t find them funny it’s their problem isn’t it Liam deserve it isn’t he? I adore those kind of jokes so share them please 🥰🥰🥰 |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 15, 2022 10:38:50 GMT -5
just had a quick listen to the tape someone uploaded of the french show and it sounds to me like it's problems with the stage crew, lights definitely, onstage sound probably, probably got fucked about with in other ways and essentially just did a 'fuck off who needs it' move. good for him. a lot of people on here won't realise that there can be a lot of behind the scenes shit goes on at festivals and big line up gigs and liam's at a point where he doesn't need to take any of it. if that's unprofessional so be it. If someone's fucking you about in life, ehether it's at work or not, you can either swallow it or do what he did. there's certainly nothing wrong with his voice and he doesn't sound drunk either. he essentially did a 'you can take your franking machine and stuff it up your arse' move. I love it, it's what (still) sets him apart. I love how everyone is wrong, even the audience, you weren't there but know better and just dissmiss what people say... I love how everyone is to blame except Liam... What a wonderful world... Everyone is unprofesionnal except him... Is this a joke ? There's nothing cool or rock n roll when he's acting like this... how many people who were actually at this show thinks it was cool ? My guess is none. Well it could of course be the case that the crowd were right be angry with Liam, Liam was right to angry with the set up but he was wrong to walk off without a word. The point really is that none of us know the detail, which makes it difficult to make a judgement either way. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2022 10:40:42 GMT -5
"even threatening him with death" Well, I hope those people never go to gigs again. Obviously it was not real death threats... and I'm sure you know that. There's always a few idiots saying stupid things in any show in the world. Didn't heard death threats myself, but there was many mean comments yes, some actually very funny if you don't mind laughing a little bit at Liam, but I will not repeat them here. ^^ People had all the reasons to be angry, Liam was disrespectful to the audience that night, I'm sure I don't have to teach you that when angry, people over-react and say things that they don't really mean. Doesn't that remind you of someone ? Because Liam IS that kind of guy too... He deserved the angry reaction because he did shit and clearly didn't care at all about the audience, from the start. I remember Peter Doherty canceling a show in France, at last minute, because he was drunk or whatever and feeling bad and the reaction was the same. Even if there was really a crazy maniac death threatening for real Liam (and I'm sure you don't believe that), it changes nothing. And considering the really, really weird (or stupid) threats Liam did many times to various people... I really can't see how this is shocking... at all. ^^ Peter Doherty cancelled a gig that was probably my only chance of seeing him live. We were already at the venue, he didn't show up and never gave any reason why. I was upset too, but I would have never started throwing death threats around, that's a stupid overreaction. And The Libertines is still one of my favorite bands. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2022 11:01:37 GMT -5
just had a quick listen to the tape someone uploaded of the french show and it sounds to me like it's problems with the stage crew, lights definitely, onstage sound probably, probably got fucked about with in other ways and essentially just did a 'fuck off who needs it' move. good for him. a lot of people on here won't realise that there can be a lot of behind the scenes shit goes on at festivals and big line up gigs and liam's at a point where he doesn't need to take any of it. if that's unprofessional so be it. If someone's fucking you about in life, ehether it's at work or not, you can either swallow it or do what he did. there's certainly nothing wrong with his voice and he doesn't sound drunk either. he essentially did a 'you can take your franking machine and stuff it up your arse' move. I love it, it's what (still) sets him apart. I love how everyone is wrong, even the audience, you weren't there but know better and just dissmiss what people say... I love how everyone is to blame except Liam... What a wonderful world... Everyone is unprofesionnal except him... Is this a joke ? There's nothing cool or rock n roll when he's acting like this... how many people who were actually at this show thinks it was cool ? My guess is none. wasn't there but listened to the audio of the whole 10 song set and watched some of the vid.
I don't need a weather report to tell me it's raining.
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Post by blkc on Jul 15, 2022 12:40:12 GMT -5
Peter Doherty cancelled a gig that was probably my only chance of seeing him live. We were already at the venue, he didn't show up and never gave any reason why. I was upset too, but I would have never started throwing death threats around, that's a stupid overreaction. And The Libertines is still one of my favorite bands. I am not defending at all death threats if that's what you understood... I'm just saying they weren't REAL death threats and that it makes no sense to take them as if they were, and I also said that the people doing this were stupid. I don't get the point of acting like this, but as I said, there's always a few idiots... I completely agree is not a good thing, childish and stupid... But that was just an over-reaction, of a few people. 99% percent of the audience wasn't doing this, and this was nothing more than drunk idiots screaming nonsense. This wasn't the issue that night. At all. And if people turned against him, it's clearly because of his attitude and nothing else. I'm not saying that people should stop to like Liam, I still like him. But to deny that he was a dickhead that night and trying to turn the blame against the crowd, the technicians or else is just nonsense, and doesn't show a lot of respect for these people. I don't get the point of trying to excuse him no matter what he does. What was the real issue (or more probably a combination of problems) isn't even important, the real issue is how he deals with problems on stage... And I'm not saying you should hate forever an artist or band when he does something wrong at all. My Doherty story was just to illustrate that it wasn't about Liam, in situations like this, people get mad, and I'm not talking about death treats, who were a small detail in a huge crowd. Just saying that the anger is totally understandable. Especially when the guy himself is angry against the whole world on stage ^^ What needs to change isn't the crowd, his team or whatever, but himself... He could get away with leaving in Oasis because Noel could end the show anyway. But this isn't the case now. And as a fan, I saw the PR campaign for months or years of Liam being all about the fans etc... and what happend that night was completely different, and this is clearly what made it worse for those who knows him. Issues can happen, of course. But running away from them isn't rock n roll. It's not even even how a grown man should react. If some people like me are angry, it's because we love him. And to see him act like this just isn't good, at all, and I actually believes that he's worth better than this. |
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Post by Derrick on Jul 15, 2022 18:53:41 GMT -5
Thanks eyeflying for taking time to write this first-hand testimony! |
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Post by justaroundmidnight on Jul 19, 2022 5:14:06 GMT -5
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Post by El Auténtico Dios on Jul 19, 2022 18:09:11 GMT -5
Yes! Another topic to finally move on and leave behind a new undeniable lack of professionalism from Liam. Too much text for something so common. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 20, 2022 9:54:39 GMT -5
Yes! Another topic to finally move on and leave behind a new undeniable lack of professionalism from Liam. Too much text for something so common. You're free not to move on and to keep talking about it if you wish. |
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Post by El Auténtico Dios on Jul 20, 2022 16:18:52 GMT -5
Yes! Another topic to finally move on and leave behind a new undeniable lack of professionalism from Liam. Too much text for something so common. You're free not to move on and to keep talking about it if you wish. Totally free. What a undeniable lack of professionalism, don't you think? PD. past tomorrow New Zealand!🔥 maybe little changes of setlist? |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 20, 2022 17:21:08 GMT -5
You're free not to move on and to keep talking about it if you wish. Totally free. What a undeniable lack of professionalism, don't you think? PD. past tomorrow New Zealand!🔥 maybe little changes of setlist? I think Liam has, on occasion, showed a lack of professionalism. Really shit for those affected by it, much less common than people would have you believe though. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 20, 2022 17:33:04 GMT -5
You're free not to move on and to keep talking about it if you wish. Totally free. What a undeniable lack of professionalism, don't you think? PD. past tomorrow New Zealand!🔥 maybe little changes of setlist? Worth saying though, you have about as much idea as I have about whether this recent non appearance is due to a lack of professionalism. |
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Post by El Auténtico Dios on Jul 20, 2022 18:00:54 GMT -5
Totally free. What a undeniable lack of professionalism, don't you think? PD. past tomorrow New Zealand!🔥 maybe little changes of setlist? Worth saying though, you have about as much idea as I have about whether this recent non appearance is due to a lack of professionalism. Truth. Who knows. At least he was upset, as he usually is when something happens, when he leaves the stage without saying anything. Worth saying though, you have to be unprofessional as fuck for leaving with no explanation/apologize. Another common situation when he leaves. So, I don't know, you don't as well, but... is there. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 20, 2022 18:05:14 GMT -5
Worth saying though, you have about as much idea as I have about whether this recent non appearance is due to a lack of professionalism. Truth. Who knows. At least he was upset, as he usually is when something happens, when he leaves the stage without saying anything. Worth saying though, you have to be unprofessional as fuck for leaving with no explanation/apologize. Another common situation when he leaves. So, I don't know, you don't as well, but... is there. Both reasons are perfectly possible. As I said before in thread, he should have spoke to the crowd. Again, if you feel it needs more discussion you can bring that on rather than sniping about it. |
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Post by El Auténtico Dios on Jul 21, 2022 7:29:24 GMT -5
Truth. Who knows. At least he was upset, as he usually is when something happens, when he leaves the stage without saying anything. Worth saying though, you have to be unprofessional as fuck for leaving with no explanation/apologize. Another common situation when he leaves. So, I don't know, you don't as well, but... is there. Both reasons are perfectly possible. As I said before in thread, he should have spoke to the crowd. Again, if you feel it needs more discussion you can bring that on rather than sniping about it. You are right. |
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