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Post by girllikeabomb on Mar 2, 2021 17:34:31 GMT -5
For sure, if Noel and Liam make music together on the same stage ever again, the worldwide media will call it an Oasis reunion.
It doesn’t have to be a full tour or an album or a slew of new/revived Noel songs (even if that remains the dream for many) or anything more than a one-off. There are many circumstances under which that can happen, potentially. Don’t forget lots of things will change in their lives (as well as in the world), some predictable and some not, as they enter their older years – their parents and other relatives will pass, their financial pictures will change, all their children will lead their own adult lives and there may be moments of such great import that it will bring them together (or alternately, drive them further apart). Life is short. People are full of contradictions. Times can change fast. We really can't know.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 2, 2021 18:46:30 GMT -5
It's a really interesting post but I agree with Bonehead's Barber, it won't ever happen. I don't think Liam and Noel will ever speak again but even if they did, why would Noel trade life on the road with a group of reliable people he actually has loads of fun with, where there's no drama, he's in control of everything and the music always sounds right for a life on the road with Liam who is unreliable, where there's always drama, fights, violence and anger and where he's not in control of everything because the frontman can always decide he's not in the mood or his voice is fucked or he woke up on the wrong side of the bed or he's angry at something in the press or he.... I could go on because Liam can be a bitch baby, and the music doesn't always sound right because the once best singer and frontman in the UK can sound like he's swallowed a load of nails or can't remember the words (or even cares of remembering the words) and so on. This isn't meant to be a dig at Liam by the way. It is harsh but this is what we've been seeing from him for the past 25 years. I gladly bought tickets for Oasis and NGHFB but I would never ever go see Liam live because you never know if you're actually going to see him live... Also, with everything that has been said in the past 12 years, the pathetic documentary in which Liam paints himself as Noel's poor victim, I don't think Noel's ever going to speak to him again. And some people could think this is Noel fanboyism but no, I'm just really really really tired of Liam crying that there's shit in his tea after taking a dump in the kettle.... How could any one write a paragraph like that and then claim it isn't a dig at someone.  Ridiculous. It also isn't true, of course there were problems but to suggest these things were always happening, like the tours were 18 months of misery (the last one obviously didn't seem fun for anyone) for Noel don't seem to be reflected by the facts, or Noels own words. It is fanboyism, it might be the worst case of it I've ever seen. Its like tone stole your phone just to post it |
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Post by powerage09 on Mar 2, 2021 18:48:03 GMT -5
There are so many bands that said they wouldn't do it or couldn't do it then did it that makes me think there is a chance.
But for every Stone Roses, Guns n Roses, Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd, there is The Jam and the Smiths so it's slim at best I'd say.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 2, 2021 19:06:31 GMT -5
There are so many bands that said they wouldn't do it or couldn't do it then did it that makes me think there is a chance. But for every Stone Roses, Guns n Roses, Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd, there is The Jam and the Smiths so it's slim at best I'd say. The Smiths got pretty close a few years ago. |
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Post by powerage09 on Mar 2, 2021 19:37:12 GMT -5
There are so many bands that said they wouldn't do it or couldn't do it then did it that makes me think there is a chance. But for every Stone Roses, Guns n Roses, Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd, there is The Jam and the Smiths so it's slim at best I'd say. The Smiths got pretty close a few years ago. I must admit, I can't stand them, but Noel adores Marr and Morrisey (plus Weller) and they all seem completely against revisiting their past glories. Out of interest, how close did they get, is that known amongst Smiths fans? |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 2, 2021 20:24:43 GMT -5
The Smiths got pretty close a few years ago. I must admit, I can't stand them, but Noel adores Marr and Morrisey (plus Weller) and they all seem completely against revisiting their past glories. Out of interest, how close did they get, is that known amongst Smiths fans? Marr and Morrisey met in a pub and discussed the possibility. www.nme.com/news/the-smiths-reunion-morrissey-marr-meeting-1801927 |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Mar 2, 2021 22:48:01 GMT -5
There are so many bands that said they wouldn't do it or couldn't do it then did it that makes me think there is a chance. But for every Stone Roses, Guns n Roses, Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd, there is The Jam and the Smiths so it's slim at best I'd say. That brother thing, though. Closest comparison might be Ray and Dave Davies, another pair of famously feuding bros who finally patched it up to some cranky degree and reunited on stage after a 20 year gap. Different family history, but this quote from Dave just recently is interesting: “ A lot of the time we don’t like each other but we have that blood connection. We do care about each other very deeply and family is very important. People forget how crucial family is growing up, that environment of love. We didn’t have money, but you were safe and you knew who to trust and that love gets you through everything and anything.” Even in my family, there were brothers (great uncles) who had a falling out over business and went from death grudge for decades to friends late in life. It happens. It also happens that siblings go to their graves at war, of course, but I don’t wish that for Noel and Liam. |
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Post by The Chief on Mar 3, 2021 6:19:03 GMT -5
It's a really interesting post but I agree with Bonehead's Barber , it won't ever happen. I don't think Liam and Noel will ever speak again but even if they did, why would Noel trade life on the road with a group of reliable people he actually has loads of fun with, where there's no drama, he's in control of everything and the music always sounds right for a life on the road with Liam who is unreliable, where there's always drama, fights, violence and anger and where he's not in control of everything because the frontman can always decide he's not in the mood or his voice is fucked or he woke up on the wrong side of the bed or he's angry at something in the press or he.... I could go on because Liam can be a bitch baby, and the music doesn't always sound right because the once best singer and frontman in the UK can sound like he's swallowed a load of nails or can't remember the words (or even cares of remembering the words) and so on. This isn't meant to be a dig at Liam by the way. It is harsh but this is what we've been seeing from him for the past 25 years. I gladly bought tickets for Oasis and NGHFB but I would never ever go see Liam live because you never know if you're actually going to see him live... Also, with everything that has been said in the past 12 years, the pathetic documentary in which Liam paints himself as Noel's poor victim, I don't think Noel's ever going to speak to him again. And some people could think this is Noel fanboyism but no, I'm just really really really tired of Liam crying that there's shit in his tea after taking a dump in the kettle.... How could any one write a paragraph like that and then claim it isn't a dig at someone. Ridiculous. It also isn't true, of course there were problems but to suggest these things were always happening, like the tours were 18 months of misery (the last one obviously didn't seem fun for anyone) for Noel don't seem to be reflected by the facts, or Noels own words. It is fanboyism, it might be the worst case of it I've ever seen. Its like tone stole your phone just to post it I totally get why you would say that but I can assure you this is purely coming from a Liam/Oasis fan. You can look around this forum (I know you won't because this is not a very important issue but I'm just making a point ) and you will see that I've been very critical of both Gallagher brothers. I'm not saying the tours themselves were 18 months of misery. I'm saying that the things I've listed have happened on every tour and all of them happened on the last tour. That's a fact. But I mostly had the last Oasis tour in mind writing it but what we saw on that tour had been building up with every tour. That means that unless they change the way they were at the end of the band (which includes Noel taking more and more space on stage which annoyed, rightfully so, Liam who's only job is to sing) this is bound to go on if they regroup. Noel has even said in an interview that he enjoys the fact that there's no drama. He always complained about the drama ever since the ferry incident. He's always said that the music must come first and I've always thought that even when I was a teenager dreaming of becoming a Gallagher. Now my stance as an Oasis fan is that they're better off apart. They both seem happier. I've yet to see Liam be pissed off on-stage since As You Were came out. Liam's in charge, he's front and center and gets to sing Oasis songs without having Noel with him. Noel gets to explore what he likes musically, he's also front and center which he seems to enjoy more now and there's no more drama. Now my comment was harsh but I have very low patience for people playing the victims. Liam's a pro at doing that and always has been and a huge part of As It Was was pathetic. He's not a victim of anyone. Not the press, not Noel. He acts like he does and then complains about the consequences. That always got under my skin. So that transpired in my comment. As for the seeing Liam live part of my comment, I stand by it. He's unreliable to this day, albeit less than he was on the last Oasis tour. But I'm not paying a ticket, taking time in my schedule or off work to drive a nearly three hours round-trip (I live in the country) to go to a venue and see Liam sing 2 songs badly and tell us that his voice is fucked and leave. Again I'm not saying that he does that at every gig but simply that it's a real possibility because it does happen on every tour and he doesn't have anyone to back him up now. |
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Post by mimmihopps on Mar 3, 2021 6:20:10 GMT -5
The Smiths got pretty close a few years ago. I must admit, I can't stand them, but Noel adores Marr and Morrisey (plus Weller) and they all seem completely against revisiting their past glories. Out of interest, how close did they get, is that known amongst Smiths fans? They've had "offer" a couple of times and the last one was pretty recently, a couple of years ago. Johnny recalls in his biography that he and Moz had been talking, but for some reason it didn't go any further. I don't believe Johnny would take any offer to reform The Smiths and no way that Mike Joyce would join them. Andy Rourke is still in touch with Johnny these days (they were school mates). I'm a huge The Smiths and The Jam fan, but have no interest or whatsever for reforming the bands. |
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Post by tiger40 on Mar 3, 2021 14:16:27 GMT -5
Both Noel and Liam are very stubborn so it's not just Noel. And, even if they ever did make up which they won't then I doubt very much that they would reform Oasis.
And, as for Liam playing the victim well so does Noel. I mean he's very good at playing up to the press and who can forget that pathetic press conference he did? They're as bad as each other playing the victim.
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Post by twinsen on Mar 3, 2021 16:43:22 GMT -5
Honestly i think that i don't really want this reunion until the former members really want it. If they have a really good project, the will to make one or more great albums together and the ability to go on tour together for a long time, it can be a success.
But if it's just a world tour for money with no new great material, i'm not interested. For sure a lot of young fans would run for tickets, but i'm not sure it would be a great point of access for Oasis.
Another option, which i think is more plausible, is a one time reunion for a special event, like Pink Floyd or Led Zeppelin did.
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Post by powerage09 on Mar 3, 2021 17:26:06 GMT -5
There are so many bands that said they wouldn't do it or couldn't do it then did it that makes me think there is a chance. But for every Stone Roses, Guns n Roses, Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd, there is The Jam and the Smiths so it's slim at best I'd say. That brother thing, though. Closest comparison might be Ray and Dave Davies, another pair of famously feuding bros who finally patched it up to some cranky degree and reunited on stage after a 20 year gap. Different family history, but this quote from Dave just recently is interesting: “ A lot of the time we don’t like each other but we have that blood connection. We do care about each other very deeply and family is very important. People forget how crucial family is growing up, that environment of love. We didn’t have money, but you were safe and you knew who to trust and that love gets you through everything and anything.” Even in my family, there were brothers (great uncles) who had a falling out over business and went from death grudge for decades to friends late in life. It happens. It also happens that siblings go to their graves at war, of course, but I don’t wish that for Noel and Liam. You're absolutely right of course. Kinks great example. Sadly the list of things Liam has said and done particularly in the last 5 years is the reason why he's most likely killed it for everyone. The brothers thing adds to an already complicated and explosive mix. Final nail in the coffin could be the rise in artists such as Dylan, Young, 3/5 Fleetwood Mac all selling their streadming royalties for hundreds of millions. Noel could do the same with his Oasis streams in a few years and none of the next 5 Gallagher generations would even need to think about working (unless they spaffed it up the wall). At the end of the day, I say do it for Peggy and the football clubs stadiums that need the revenue it would generate....  |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Mar 3, 2021 20:59:41 GMT -5
Sadly the list of things Liam has said and done particularly in the last 5 years is the reason why he's most likely killed it for everyone. The brothers thing adds to an already complicated and explosive mix. Final nail in the coffin could be the rise in artists such as Dylan, Young, 3/5 Fleetwood Mac all selling their streadming royalties for hundreds of millions. Noel could do the same with his Oasis streams in a few years and none of the next 5 Gallagher generations would even need to think about working (unless they spaffed it up the wall). At the end of the day, I say do it for Peggy and the football clubs stadiums that need the revenue it would generate.... Dramatic as it can seem in the press and on forums (some fans might be more irreconcilable than the brothers!), I think nothing (at least that we've seen from the outside) that has gone down is truly unrecoverable. Names called and boundaries crossed…silly, vexing stuff to be sure and some that would need working out...BUT nothing that's a devastating point of no return. Maybe it's because I come from a family (and business world) full of difficult, volatile, passionate people who can be kind of messy, haha, but I've seen worse things done between family and I've seen time alone change even the most ridiculously stubborn people's feelings. Even if they mend fences, much like the Davies, I agree they'll always rub each other in that explosive way and have opposite takes on things. That's not going to change. Yet that deep connection that goes to their roots will always be there, and they might just tap back into it one day for one reason or another for a short time. Maybe. But if they’re going to do it for Peggy then they better get on it sooner than later. (Despite the beautiful words, she's not gonna live forever.) |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2021 2:46:56 GMT -5
Dramatic as it can seem in the press and on forums (some fans might be more irreconcilable than the brothers!), I think nothing (at least that we've seen from the outside) that has gone down is truly unrecoverable. Names called and boundaries crossed…silly, vexing stuff to be sure and some that would need working out...BUT nothing that's a devastating point of no return. Maybe it's because I come from a family (and business world) full of difficult, volatile, passionate people who can be kind of messy, haha, but I've seen worse things done between family and I've seen time alone change even the most ridiculously stubborn people's feelings. Even if they mend fences, much like the Davies, I agree they'll always rub each other in that explosive way and have opposite takes on things. That's not going to change. Yet that deep connection that goes to their roots will always be there, and they might just tap back into it one day for one reason or another for a short time. Maybe. But if they’re going to do it for Peggy then they better get on it sooner than later. (Despite the beautiful words, she's not gonna live forever.) I agree with you. Some people seem to think they won't ever make up because Liam called Noel's wife a witch or something. But the real reasons for their fall out are in the relationship between Liam and Noel. Stuff that has been cumulating since their childhood, sibling rivalry, fame, jealousy,... |
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Post by tiger40 on Mar 4, 2021 14:23:59 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree with you and to be honest I think that it's surprising that Oasis carried on for as long as what they did with all the bust ups etc which they had over the years. I mean look at how many times Noel walked out and surely that was adding fuel to the fire. I know that he always went back but it was always a question how long for. I mean there were plenty of times when he could've easily gone solo.
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Post by World71R on Mar 4, 2021 19:52:48 GMT -5
I think it would be cool to see Liam/Noel acoustic shows, a la what Robert Plant/Jimmy Page did years ago. Do some shows like that and then do a couple of big venue shows as a full-fledged Oasis thing. That would be really cool, I think.
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Ridiculous.
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