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Post by The Escapist on Jan 16, 2021 11:16:48 GMT -5
I think Broken Arrow might be Noel's most overlooked great track. Beautiful tune.
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Post by matt on Jan 16, 2021 12:10:21 GMT -5
Although not near the quality of Who Built The Moon, the debut is still superior to Chasing Yesterday - it doesn't plummet the depths of quality like that one.
These are all good songs, but not enough tempo variation and, as we all know, lumpen and heavy handed production that weigh the songs down. As a result its easy to get bored listening to the album in one sitting but when the tunes come up on shuffle, I'm not going to be skipping any of them.
Concur that Broken Arrow is one of his very best. Along with Everybody's On The Run and Death of You & Me, probably one of the most enduring tracks from the album.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2021 16:18:46 GMT -5
Not gonna lie, the never ending love for WBTM never ceases to amaze me. But I guess that’s a topic for another discussions
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Post by LightsOffInside on Jan 16, 2021 16:31:19 GMT -5
Although not near the quality of Who Built The Moon, the debut is still superior to Chasing Yesterday - it doesn't plummet the depths of quality like that one. These are all good songs, but not enough tempo variation and, as we all know, lumpen and heavy handed production that weigh the songs down. As a result its easy to get bored listening to the album in one sitting but when the tunes come up on shuffle, I'm not going to be skipping any of them. Concur that Broken Arrow is one of his very best. Along with Everybody's On The Run and Death of You & Me, probably one of the most enduring tracks from the album. I swear 99% of your posts on this forum are tirelessly trying to drill into everyone how great WBTM is, and how shite the others are. We get it, you like the album, but it’s only your opinion, and by the look of things it’s a minority one. For me Chasing Yesterday is miles better than both other albums but that doesn’t make it fact either. Stop the preaching, Jesus.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 16, 2021 16:46:43 GMT -5
Not gonna lie, the never ending love for WBTM never ceases to amaze me. But I guess that’s a topic for another discussions It was always suppsed to be divisive, as it's different than what Noel's done before either solo or with Oasis Personally I just think it aged miles better than the others, I still go back to it often and it flows perfectly as an album from start to finish, the sound is fresh and the songs themselves are not bad to begin with, the only one I'd skip if it came on shuffle is B&WS, maybe Holy Mountain but I've mellowed to it with time It's probably my favourite Gallagher-related release after the first two Oasis albums,but everyone's entitled to his own opinion after all
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Post by World71R on Jan 16, 2021 17:01:17 GMT -5
HFB1 is pretty good but the production gets tiresome toward the end of the album. The songs are very good though and sound good live too.
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Post by matt on Jan 16, 2021 17:37:49 GMT -5
Although not near the quality of Who Built The Moon, the debut is still superior to Chasing Yesterday - it doesn't plummet the depths of quality like that one. These are all good songs, but not enough tempo variation and, as we all know, lumpen and heavy handed production that weigh the songs down. As a result its easy to get bored listening to the album in one sitting but when the tunes come up on shuffle, I'm not going to be skipping any of them. Concur that Broken Arrow is one of his very best. Along with Everybody's On The Run and Death of You & Me, probably one of the most enduring tracks from the album. I swear 99% of your posts on this forum are tirelessly trying to drill into everyone how great WBTM is, and how shite the others are. We get it, you like the album, but it’s only your opinion, and by the look of things it’s a minority one. For me Chasing Yesterday is miles better than both other albums but that doesn’t make it fact either. Stop the preaching, Jesus. Chill out! I'm talking about his debut here, not WBTM - I said they're all good songs on the first album, not sure how that is making it out to be 'shite'. And a bit of advice, maybe just try to ignore posts you don't like (or rather, read them properly) and let others write their opinions without getting into a hissy fit perhaps?
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Post by Headmaster on Jan 16, 2021 20:03:58 GMT -5
Good album overall, I love Soldier Boys and Jesus Freaks, underrated tune, btw I love that run of songs Soldier Boys/Broken Arrow/Wrong Beach, they all sounds like Part of The Queue descendants.
I just think that it is a bit overproduced for a debut, on Everybody on The Run the overproduction ruins the song for me, much prefer the live the versions, Record Machine same case. Stop The Clocks I prefer the old demos which weren't that great to begin with.
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Post by mkoasis on Jan 16, 2021 23:21:05 GMT -5
CY has my favourite Noel solo songs on it. Half they record is brilliant, half is okay.
HFB is a much more consistent record, solid songs throughout but the production brings it down.
WBTM has the best production and is a very exciting record but it doesn’t have the highs that CY does IMO.
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Post by Aman on Jan 17, 2021 9:42:02 GMT -5
Not gonna lie, the never ending love for WBTM never ceases to amaze me. But I guess that’s a topic for another discussions Same lol. But the love for it on this forum has got a majority opinion so there's obviously something I'm (we) are missing. I think with WBTM it's either for you or it isn't. Marmite type. I'd personally rank it near Beady Eye's two albums.
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Post by garylineker on Jan 17, 2021 9:53:41 GMT -5
One first release what was really striking about it was Noel had put more effort into every song being quality more than he had bothered to for years.
On first listen I thought his voice isnt strong enough or indeed interesting enough for a whole album and I still think that now.
The Beady Eye comparisons were always going to be made but I thought the narrative was almost made before anyone listened to anything. The Death Of You and Me certainly didn't deserve all the "better than Beady Eye" comments it instantly got on NME.
But where as Beady Eye wrongly assumed they could rehash a 60s feel through every song, Noel quite rightly made sure he went for a mature and fresh sound. Appealed exactly to his market and What A Life did the job for him externally.
A lot should be made of the fact he was also plugging an Oasis void he had created himself. He was creating top quality Oasis sounding songs and playing half Oasis songs in his set. A massive pull while the rest of Oasis were naively thinking they could go under a new name and play just new stuff.
Say what you want about Sardy as well buy Sardy + Noel = massive success. Nothing about the songs seems amazing production wise but something about that team creates amazing results sales wise and appealing to a wider audience. It doesn't sound ground-breaking or extremely inventive but it undeoubetedly allowed Noel to hit the ground running.
7/10
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Post by matt on Jan 17, 2021 10:47:46 GMT -5
Good album overall, I love Soldier Boys and Jesus Freaks, underrated tune, btw I love that run of songs Soldier Boys/Broken Arrow/ Wrong Beach, they all sounds like Part of The Queue descendants. I just think that it is a bit overproduced for a debut, on Everybody on The Run the overproduction ruins the song for me, much prefer the live the versions, Record Machine same case. Stop The Clocks I prefer the old demos which weren't that great to begin with. Thought this one sounded better live than on record. There was a longer introduction to it when I saw him back in 2012.
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Post by matt on Jan 17, 2021 10:51:55 GMT -5
One first release what was really striking about it was Noel had put more effort into every song being quality more than he had bothered to for years. On first listen I thought his voice isnt strong enough or indeed interesting enough for a whole album and I still think that now.The Beady Eye comparisons were always going to be made but I thought the narrative was almost made before anyone listened to anything. The Death Of You and Me certainly didn't deserve all the "better than Beady Eye" comments it instantly got on NME. But where as Beady Eye wrongly assumed they could rehash a 60s feel through every song, Noel quite rightly made sure he went for a mature and fresh sound. Appealed exactly to his market and What A Life did the job for him externally. A lot should be made of the fact he was also plugging an Oasis void he had created himself. He was creating top quality Oasis sounding songs and playing half Oasis songs in his set. A massive pull while the rest of Oasis were naively thinking they could go under a new name and play just new stuff. Say what you want about Sardy as well buy Sardy + Noel = massive success. Nothing about the songs seems amazing production wise but something about that team creates amazing results sales wise and appealing to a wider audience. It doesn't sound ground-breaking or extremely inventive but it undeoubetedly allowed Noel to hit the ground running. 7/10 I never used to think it was a problem but as I get older, just what makes Oasis special is that voice of Liam's. Noel is a fine singer but he's not a standout one - Liam's one of the rare voices that you can listen to an album entirely without getting over familiarised and bored with. It's one reason why I like Who Built The Moon - Noel's voice is often effects laden (with reverb or distortion) which keeps things fresh, again using the studio to bring more life to things (it's fine live as most folk are singing his songs anyway). But make no mistake, if Liam was singing that debut Noel album, it would be consistently the best Oasis album since Be Here Now. Would have been reaching Be Here Now levels if he ditched Dave Sardy for a top producer (Mike Stent would have done fine with songs like Stop The Clocks).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2021 13:11:12 GMT -5
A lot should be made of the fact he was also plugging an Oasis void he had created himself. He was creating top quality Oasis sounding songs and playing half Oasis songs in his set. A massive pull while the rest of Oasis were naively thinking they could go under a new name and play just new stuff. Funnily I think Noel played Oasis songs because he knew the new songs would stand up. Sure, there is no DLBIA or Champagne Supernova on there but I think only DM and WTSMG are clearly better than his debut in terms of songs.
What Beady eye were thinking at that time, still eludes me
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Post by garylineker on Jan 17, 2021 13:36:35 GMT -5
One first release what was really striking about it was Noel had put more effort into every song being quality more than he had bothered to for years. On first listen I thought his voice isnt strong enough or indeed interesting enough for a whole album and I still think that now.The Beady Eye comparisons were always going to be made but I thought the narrative was almost made before anyone listened to anything. The Death Of You and Me certainly didn't deserve all the "better than Beady Eye" comments it instantly got on NME. But where as Beady Eye wrongly assumed they could rehash a 60s feel through every song, Noel quite rightly made sure he went for a mature and fresh sound. Appealed exactly to his market and What A Life did the job for him externally. A lot should be made of the fact he was also plugging an Oasis void he had created himself. He was creating top quality Oasis sounding songs and playing half Oasis songs in his set. A massive pull while the rest of Oasis were naively thinking they could go under a new name and play just new stuff. Say what you want about Sardy as well buy Sardy + Noel = massive success. Nothing about the songs seems amazing production wise but something about that team creates amazing results sales wise and appealing to a wider audience. It doesn't sound ground-breaking or extremely inventive but it undeoubetedly allowed Noel to hit the ground running. 7/10 I never used to think it was a problem but as I get older, just what makes Oasis special is that voice of Liam's. Noel is a fine singer but he's not a standout one - Liam's one of the rare voices that you can listen to an album entirely without getting over familiarised and bored with. It's one reason why I like Who Built The Moon - Noel's voice is often effects laden (with reverb or distortion) which keeps things fresh, again using the studio to bring more life to things (it's fine live as most folk are singing his songs anyway). But make no mistake, if Liam was singing that debut Noel album, it would be consistently the best Oasis album since Be Here Now. Would have been reaching Be Here Now levels if he ditched Dave Sardy for a top producer (Mike Stent would have done fine with songs like Stop The Clocks). I also think it would have been the best Oasis album since BHN, but i also still feel like it would have got the usual reaction from the critics. I think having that new start under his name and even telling us until he's blue in the face that stuff like What A Life was "out there" just seemed to strike a chord. When Noel says stuff like that, enough people listen. It's as time goes on we look back and go oh yeah that wasn't really some new direction. As much as i do think Noel's albums are better in quality than Beady Eye's, i do also feel like a wider audience were willing to accept Noel as the talented one who's been able to have his creativeness unleashed now he doesn't have his dickhead brother around. Noel also tried to emphasise this by saying certain songs would never have been allowed on an Oasis record (like Liam ever had a say). So i do think the songs lacked Liam and as time has gone on we appreciate that more, but at the time i think strangely Noel benefitted from it being under his name and the whole perspective for critics changed instantly. Similar to how there was a new wave of people willing to accept Liam again after Supersonic etc. If As You Were is Beady Eye's 3rd album it sells even less than BE and Liam goes into hiding forever.
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Post by Headmaster on Jan 17, 2021 16:23:02 GMT -5
Good album overall, I love Soldier Boys and Jesus Freaks, underrated tune, btw I love that run of songs Soldier Boys/Broken Arrow/ Wrong Beach, they all sounds like Part of The Queue descendants. I just think that it is a bit overproduced for a debut, on Everybody on The Run the overproduction ruins the song for me, much prefer the live the versions, Record Machine same case. Stop The Clocks I prefer the old demos which weren't that great to begin with. Thought this one sounded better live than on record. There was a longer introduction to it when I saw him back in 2012. Much of HFB sounded better live, maybe apart from Aka WAL! and TDOYAM which kind of went well with what Sardy had in mind for the album. Sardy went a bit overboard with the production, on EOTR everything is loud, there is not subtle, all instruments fighting for your attention on the mix.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 17, 2021 16:39:55 GMT -5
Thought this one sounded better live than on record. There was a longer introduction to it when I saw him back in 2012. Much of HFB sounded better live, maybe apart from Aka WAL! and TDOYAM which kind of went well with what Sardy had in mind for the album. Sardy went a bit overboard with the production, on EOTR everything is loud, there is not subtle, all instruments fighting for your attention on the mix. Thought WAL was one of the most improved live actually It's by no means bad on the record, but it sound mega live Agreed about TDOYAM tho, they got it right and could never quite match it during gigs
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 17, 2021 17:22:27 GMT -5
Even though I think that the demos are much better than the album I haven't listened to the demos in a long time. Probably because it's Noel's worst album for me.
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Post by captaincrankshaft on Jan 17, 2021 17:34:48 GMT -5
This is my favourite of Noel’s albums. For me these are the best crafted collection of songs of his solo career. Chasing yesterday is pretty good but, apart from a couple, the songs aren’t quite as well crafted. Who built the moon? Who gives a fuck. (I’m joking!) But its too short and only half of it is any good.
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Post by fluff123 on Jan 27, 2022 11:36:42 GMT -5
It's all about opinions. For me, song-wise I really believe NGHFB is a masterpiece. Musically more mature, and if you throw in the b-sides to make an old fashioned 12" double album vibe, is grand in stature with an epic ending to the album.
SIDE A Everybody's on the run Dream on If I had a gun... The Good Rebel
SIDE B The death of you and me Record machine Aka... what a life!
SIDE C Soldier boys and Jesus freaks I'd pick you every time Aka broken arrow Stranded on the wrong beach
SIDE D Alone on the rope Simple game of genius Let the lord shine a light on me Stop the clocks
It has a feel of 'All things must pass'. Quite simply brilliant, and if I'm honest my favourite Gallagher related album. Yes, that includes oasis albums. Again, all about opinions.
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Post by andymorris on Jan 28, 2022 7:38:28 GMT -5
Of course it is
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Post by andymorris on Jan 28, 2022 7:40:14 GMT -5
It's all about opinions. For me, song-wise I really believe NGHFB is a masterpiece. Musically more mature, and if you throw in the b-sides to make an old fashioned 12" double album vibe, is grand in stature with an epic ending to the album. SIDE A Everybody's on the run Dream on If I had a gun... The Good Rebel SIDE B The death of you and me Record machine Aka... what a life! SIDE C Soldier boys and Jesus freaks I'd pick you every time Aka broken arrow Stranded on the wrong beach SIDE D Alone on the rope Simple game of genius Let the lord shine a light on me Stop the clocks It has a feel of 'All things must pass'. Quite simply brilliant, and if I'm honest my favourite Gallagher related album. Yes, that includes oasis albums. Again, all about opinions. Nice tracklisting ! With a couple of track listing changes, if Noel didn't incluse STC or RM, it could have been a perfect 11 track record. Maybe with Alone on the Rope and Let the lord shine a light on me instead of those two. But he needed a few teddy bear tunes right
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Post by fluff123 on Jan 28, 2022 8:16:59 GMT -5
It's all about opinions. For me, song-wise I really believe NGHFB is a masterpiece. Musically more mature, and if you throw in the b-sides to make an old fashioned 12" double album vibe, is grand in stature with an epic ending to the album. SIDE A Everybody's on the run Dream on If I had a gun... The Good Rebel SIDE B The death of you and me Record machine Aka... what a life! SIDE C Soldier boys and Jesus freaks I'd pick you every time Aka broken arrow Stranded on the wrong beach SIDE D Alone on the rope Simple game of genius Let the lord shine a light on me Stop the clocks It has a feel of 'All things must pass'. Quite simply brilliant, and if I'm honest my favourite Gallagher related album. Yes, that includes oasis albums. Again, all about opinions. Nice tracklisting ! With a couple of track listing changes, if Noel didn't incluse STC or RM, it could have been a perfect 11 track record. Maybe with Alone on the Rope and Let the lord shine a light on me instead of those two. But he needed a few teddy bear tunes right Honestly, think if you include the b-sides like I have done - it's a perfect double album. I think all great bands have an epic double album in their back catalogue. Its a shame oasis never did this. I think 'Be here now' is the 'white album' of a different generation and could have been the epic 'missing' album if done differently and included b-sides etc. I don't understand it when people say "it's too long". I mean I love 'be here now' but it could have been an epic masterpiece. As I said before, to me, NGHFB is Noel's answer to George Harrison's 'All things must pass'. Pure elegance.
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Post by andymorris on Jan 28, 2022 8:41:42 GMT -5
Nice tracklisting ! With a couple of track listing changes, if Noel didn't incluse STC or RM, it could have been a perfect 11 track record. Maybe with Alone on the Rope and Let the lord shine a light on me instead of those two. But he needed a few teddy bear tunes right Honestly, think if you include the b-sides like I have done - it's a perfect double album. I think all great bands have an epic double album in their back catalogue. Its a shame oasis never did this. I think 'Be here now' is the 'white album' of a different generation and could have been the epic 'missing' album if done differently and included b-sides etc. I don't understand it when people say "it's too long". I mean I love 'be here now' but it could have been an epic masterpiece. As I said before, to me, NGHFB is Noel's answer to George Harrison's 'All things must pass'. Pure elegance. Agreed, they never did purely for commercial reasons it think. It was in the 90s or never. They could have with WTSMG which had enough tracks too with bsides, then BHN "failed" (still wtf it failed really ?) and then Noel didn't want to hear about long albums anymore.
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Post by oasisserbia on Jan 28, 2022 19:25:53 GMT -5
4. TDOYAM Very pleasant production with the organ and acoustic guitar. Actually a nice break from the muddy guitars on the previous tracks. And there's a brass solo before the final chorus. Very odd song which sounded like nothing Noel had done before. 9/10
Really? Like, really? You are 100% sure? 🤣
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