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Post by World71R on Nov 25, 2020 16:41:41 GMT -5
Black & White Sunshine is likely the weakest song on the album but it's still a cool, Stones-like rocker. I wish it had gone on longer and had a distinct guitar solo after that run through the guitar riff that actually ends the song, though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2020 16:59:15 GMT -5
Easiest to listen to but the most inconsequential, I think. I like to think of it as a signal that Dave Sardy will never be back.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 25, 2020 17:12:43 GMT -5
- I wish Noel didn't include "Dead In The Water" at the tail end on certain editions. He didn't need to do that. The record was very strong and didn't call for it. Plus I'm not a fan of this particular live cut. Sounds like he is singing in a bathroom. The song deserved a better representation. He's done better radio station cuts with much better vocals (RTL2 Acoustic Set 2018 spring to mind). I would be down for a proper studio cut. The thing I like about Dead in the Water is that, with the album being set up like a film score, Dead in the Water is like the song that rolls after the ending music and as the credits scroll to the end. It's there for those who stay around and those who stay around are blessed with it. I wouldn't have it any other way, to be honest. But the last track on the proper album is called “End Credits”. Why would I Need another track after that? The one-two punch of WBTM and End Credits accomplishes the goal you just wrote. Plus Noel went on and on how the rule for the album was new studio creations with it all being written in studio. Then he adds a live cut of a previously written song at the end? So not need. |
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Post by spaneli on Nov 26, 2020 0:49:37 GMT -5
I love the whole album, but in particular, Be Careful What You Wish For. That’s the mature Beatles-inspired sound that always could have been Noel’s natural evolution. It’s beautifully produced. The mix is great. Fantastic sound and vibe. And that solo, chills. Every time I listen to the song I find something different to latch onto.
Holy Mountain is still a good time. It’s magic and packed full of hooks. Immediately danceable without being a dance track per se.
I also love the energy of Black and White Sunshine. Of Noel’s latter track listing rockers, which he has a penchant for doing, it’s one of the better ones.
Like I said, I love this entire album.
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Post by Jim on Nov 26, 2020 1:51:34 GMT -5
Black & White Sunshine is likely the weakest song on the album but it's still a cool, Stones-like rocker. I wish it had gone on longer and had a distinct guitar solo after that run through the guitar riff that actually ends the song, though. |
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Post by mossy on Nov 26, 2020 4:32:42 GMT -5
Black & White Sunshine is likely the weakest song on the album but it's still a cool, Stones-like rocker. I wish it had gone on longer and had a distinct guitar solo after that run through the guitar riff that actually ends the song, though. That was such a great EP. I’m really hoping Noel invites The Reflex to visit his new studio. He knows it makes sense. X |
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Post by tiger40 on Nov 26, 2020 14:37:17 GMT -5
I gave this album a listen last night and I enjoyed it but it's not an album which I go back to a lot to be honest. But it's nice to hear it once in a while.
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Post by Jim on Nov 26, 2020 17:24:26 GMT -5
Meh.
Fort Knox, Beautiful World and The Man Who Built The Moon are first class.
The Reflex and Richard Norris remixes are better than the album versions as is the World Cafe live take of Be Careful What You Wish For.
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Post by The Chief on Dec 1, 2020 7:30:25 GMT -5
Still my favourite album of his. I wish he didn't go the "I'll show them how far from Oasis I can go" route after because if the EPs were a record, half of it was subpar.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 1, 2020 7:37:30 GMT -5
Still my favourite album of his. I wish he didn't go the "I'll show them how far from Oasis I can go" route after because if the EPs were a record, half of it was subpar. I like the EPs quite a lot bar a couple of tracks, but I think there's a reason why they were EPs and he was perfectly conscious of what he was doing I'll be surprised if there's anything like Black Star Dancing or Blue Moon Rising (which I love) on the new album, think it's gonna be more of a Chasing Yesterday meets Who Built The Moon kinda hybrid |
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Post by The Chief on Dec 1, 2020 7:50:11 GMT -5
Still my favourite album of his. I wish he didn't go the "I'll show them how far from Oasis I can go" route after because if the EPs were a record, half of it was subpar. I like the EPs quite a lot bar a couple of tracks, but I think there's a reason why they were EPs and he was perfectly conscious of what he was doing I'll be surprised if there's anything like Black Star Dancing or Blue Moon Rising (which I love) on the new album, think it's gonna be more of a Chasing Yesterday meets Who Built The Moon kinda hybrid I would take it or even just another WBTM thing again. The EPs are alright and I think you're right about why they were EP's and not a proper album. I think he released them as EPs because they were more about the groove than the songs themselves. They all have this "stay in your head" quality that Noel has and I rarely skip them (I even have a "Cosmic Pop" playlist on my Spotify with WBTM and the EPs). It's just that it's not up to par with what Noel is capable of for the most part. I'm talking mainly about the title tracks and Evil Flower. The others are pretty good. Sail On is still one of my absolute favourite of his though but it's a Chasing Yesterday cut. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 1, 2020 8:08:27 GMT -5
I like the EPs quite a lot bar a couple of tracks, but I think there's a reason why they were EPs and he was perfectly conscious of what he was doing I'll be surprised if there's anything like Black Star Dancing or Blue Moon Rising (which I love) on the new album, think it's gonna be more of a Chasing Yesterday meets Who Built The Moon kinda hybrid I would take it or even just another WBTM thing again. The EPs are alright and I think you're right about why they were EP's and not a proper album. I think he released them as EPs because they were more about the groove than the songs themselves. They all have this "stay in your head" quality that Noel has and I rarely skip them (I even have a "Cosmic Pop" playlist on my Spotify with WBTM and the EPs). It's just that it's not up to par with what Noel is capable of for the most part. I'm talking mainly about the title tracks and Evil Flower. The others are pretty good. Sail On is still one of my absolute favourite of his though but it's a Chasing Yesterday cut. I like Evil Flower but as you said it's more about groove than anything else, and that's how it was meant to be BSD don't do much for me, and Come On Outside I've kind of grown bored of it, the rest I really enjoy and a couple of tracks I think are amongst the best HFB stuff, but the EPs were a way to experiment with some influences and sounds and get some of the older stuff out between tour legs while not taking the serious approach and the effort to make it sound like a cohesive piece an album requires, and I like them for what they are I mean, 6 of those 9 tracks are meant as b-sides |
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Post by matt on Dec 1, 2020 11:57:22 GMT -5
Black & White Sunshine is likely the weakest song on the album but it's still a cool, Stones-like rocker. I wish it had gone on longer and had a distinct guitar solo after that run through the guitar riff that actually ends the song, though. What a remix, love it. Strange tune on Who Built The Moon as it is as far removed from Holmes's style as much as possible in that it's a fairly standard Noel rocker whereas the rest of the album is a technicolor widescreen epic that assaults the hearing in the best way. These remixes tell me that Noel needs a second hand man alongside him to throw him into a completely different sonic environment. It really worked with Who Built The Moon - the kitchen sink was thrown at that album and it's heavy stuff with a lot going on. By himself, it's tepid - despite the dance beats on the EPs, there's a nagging feeling with Noel producing himself that he is only dipping his toes in the water. Songs like Blackstar Dancing do sound tame in comparison to most of Who Built The Moon. I think Chasing Yesterday is just largely bland and the less said about the dire production of the first album, the better. A top producer is a prerequisite for Noel to make genuinely thrilling music in my opinion. Without it, I'm just not nearly as interested. |
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Post by World71R on Dec 1, 2020 13:19:08 GMT -5
What a remix, love it. Strange tune on Who Built The Moon as it is as far removed from Holmes's style as much as possible in that it's a fairly standard Noel rocker whereas the rest of the album is a technicolor widescreen epic that assaults the hearing in the best way. These remixes tell me that Noel needs a second hand man alongside him to throw him into a completely different sonic environment. It really worked with Who Built The Moon - the kitchen sink was thrown at that album and it's heavy stuff with a lot going on. By himself, it's tepid - despite the dance beats on the EPs, there's a nagging feeling with Noel producing himself that he is only dipping his toes in the water. Songs like Blackstar Dancing do sound tame in comparison to most of Who Built The Moon. I think Chasing Yesterday is just largely bland and the less said about the dire production of the first album, the better. A top producer is a prerequisite for Noel to make genuinely thrilling music in my opinion. Without it, I'm just not nearly as interested. Just listened to Herculean by The Good The Bad The Queen and I think Danger Mouse would be a good producer for Noel, like he was for TGTBTQ. It has that British rock sound to it but it's more expansive, and I think Noel would benefit from that: Not having to sacrifice his melodic songwriting qualities too much but the producer taking a different approach to it than what we've seen out of him in the past. Eno/Lanois would be interesting to see, just being a U2 fan, but I doubt that would happen. Nigel Godrich would be a good producer. Kevin Parker would be cool but I feel like Liam could benefit more from him than Noel. Kevin and Noel would probably butt heads too badly  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2020 10:19:44 GMT -5
His weakest solo album thus far.
Plus a total of 4 instrumental intros/Interludes/Hidden Tracks made it feel a pretty short album
Holy Mountain and She told me how to fly are good and another 1 or 2 are ok
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 16, 2020 10:36:42 GMT -5
Holy Mountain is LIT.
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Post by eva on Dec 16, 2020 11:00:50 GMT -5
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Post by Casino Boogie on Dec 16, 2020 12:21:28 GMT -5
What a remix, love it. Strange tune on Who Built The Moon as it is as far removed from Holmes's style as much as possible in that it's a fairly standard Noel rocker whereas the rest of the album is a technicolor widescreen epic that assaults the hearing in the best way. These remixes tell me that Noel needs a second hand man alongside him to throw him into a completely different sonic environment. It really worked with Who Built The Moon - the kitchen sink was thrown at that album and it's heavy stuff with a lot going on. By himself, it's tepid - despite the dance beats on the EPs, there's a nagging feeling with Noel producing himself that he is only dipping his toes in the water. Songs like Blackstar Dancing do sound tame in comparison to most of Who Built The Moon. I think Chasing Yesterday is just largely bland and the less said about the dire production of the first album, the better. A top producer is a prerequisite for Noel to make genuinely thrilling music in my opinion. Without it, I'm just not nearly as interested. Completely agree with this - I also think Noel needs someone to push him. You'd think after he apparently enjoyed working with David Holmes so much he'd be up for trying again with someone else. There's just so much depth to Who Built The Moon that isn't there on the EPs (as much as I enjoy them). |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 16, 2020 13:09:28 GMT -5
What a remix, love it. Strange tune on Who Built The Moon as it is as far removed from Holmes's style as much as possible in that it's a fairly standard Noel rocker whereas the rest of the album is a technicolor widescreen epic that assaults the hearing in the best way. These remixes tell me that Noel needs a second hand man alongside him to throw him into a completely different sonic environment. It really worked with Who Built The Moon - the kitchen sink was thrown at that album and it's heavy stuff with a lot going on. By himself, it's tepid - despite the dance beats on the EPs, there's a nagging feeling with Noel producing himself that he is only dipping his toes in the water. Songs like Blackstar Dancing do sound tame in comparison to most of Who Built The Moon. I think Chasing Yesterday is just largely bland and the less said about the dire production of the first album, the better. A top producer is a prerequisite for Noel to make genuinely thrilling music in my opinion. Without it, I'm just not nearly as interested. Completely agree with this - I also think Noel needs someone to push him. You'd think after he apparently enjoyed working with David Holmes so much he'd be up for trying again with someone else. There's just so much depth to Who Built The Moon that isn't there on the EPs (as much as I enjoy them). As much as I get what you're both saying, I'm also very curious to see how Noel takes what he got from Holmes in their sessions and incorporates in his own way of working and producing Maybe the EPs are the best he can do, but as I do think he approached them differently than he'd do with a proper album I believe he's got the ability to push himself a bit further than that (not necessarily doing more experimental or dancey stuff, but in making the songs sound richer/more dynamic) |
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Post by Casino Boogie on Dec 16, 2020 13:44:08 GMT -5
I hope you're right - would be more than happy if Noel proves us wrong! He's got the ability - its whether he can be bothered!
I agree that the EPs were something different - essentially a touring band recording.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 16, 2020 14:06:08 GMT -5
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Post by garylineker on Dec 23, 2020 22:38:24 GMT -5
Least favourite album from Noel and i think the reaction hurt him so much more than he let on. Would have been bad enough but the rise of Liam at the same time felt almost poetic.
I was all for the change on direction as long as the songs were there. I felt like the concept was put before the songs, and it wasnt anything like as revolutionary as he wanted to have you believe it was. (Stealing a jingle from the 70s and making a song around it isn't grounbreaking sorry)
I look forward to the new album returning more to what he's good at.
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Post by uboasis on Dec 23, 2020 23:05:57 GMT -5
Least favourite album from Noel and i think the reaction hurt him so much more than he let on. Would have been bad enough but the rise of Liam at the same time felt almost poetic. I was all for the change on direction as long as the songs were there. I felt like the concept was put before the songs, and it wasnt anything like as revolutionary as he wanted to have you believe it was. (Stealing a jingle from the 70s and making a song around it isn't grounbreaking sorry) I look forward to the new album returning more to what he's good at. I don't think that's the case. I do think the new album will be different but not a return to old. He seems genuinely satisfied with always changing (not groundbreaking). I also don't think I'm in the minority when I say WBTM is my favorite NGHFB album. While it was polarizing in some circles, there was a lot of love for it as well. It really is great. I like Chasing Yesterday but tracks Dying of the Light may be the most overrated NGHFB track and I hope he avoids anything like that or X-Ray Eyes. I wouldn't complain if there were more Right Stuffs though. |
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Post by underneaththesky on Dec 27, 2020 0:31:46 GMT -5
(Stealing a jingle from the 70s and making a song around it isn't grounbreaking sorry) what if you're wrong? |
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Post by My Big Name on Dec 27, 2020 15:18:50 GMT -5
Noel disappeared up his own arse on this album, to think that he genuinely believes he's created his own sub-genre on it is laughable.
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