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Post by Jessica on Jul 15, 2020 1:37:57 GMT -5
Rocked ln YouTube asked this using the band with that Watkins in it. A lot of people seemed to go 'oh I don't listen to them because of him', is that different though? Yeah, if you have enough problems in your life/relationship, you can easily do what Tom did. There's no excuse for what Watkins did in comparison. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jul 15, 2020 7:45:32 GMT -5
I think we all can, to some extent. Not many people would turn down a Caravaggio, despite him murdering a man in 1606. It's just where you personally tend to draw the line. I think for me, proven pedophilia is what I just can't overcome. I can enjoy The Beatles while knowing what a bastard Lennon was, I can enjoy The Smiths while knowing what a twat Morrissey would later become, but I couldn't even try to enjoy The LostProhets while knowing what Ian Watkins did. But then as another user said, Picasso also abused children, but some of his paintings are among my favourites. I think everyone has a line, but it's a wibbly-wobbly one that depends on the type of art, when it was produced, the culture it was produced in, and a million other things. Another point is that I always found it weird who the industry/public chooses which pop-culture figures deify and who to demonise. The Gallaghers are known as the biggest knobheads in rock music, but I'm still waiting on Pete Townshend's child-porn book he was so thoroughly researching. You couldn't find a more deified music figure than Elvis, but don't forget that his favourite type of girls were the 14-year-old ones. Chuck Berry videotaped women in toilets, Eric Clapton was an avowed racist, and the best argument to prove that David Bowie wasn't raping 14-year-old Lori Mattox is that Jimmy Page was busy doing it at the time. And yet none of these people have a cultural perception that stops people enjoying them. Bring up the Gallaghers, though, and it's "God, but aren't those guys real jackasses?". Funny thing is I believe both brothers are c*nts, but not really as much as people think they are |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jul 15, 2020 7:48:30 GMT -5
Anyway, I'd like to say no, but the answer is clearly yes unless the lyrics end up totally ruining the experience
I still listen to Kasabian, I love The Smiths even if Morrissey is a right wing bastard, I obviously love the Gallaghers despite some of the things they've said (even tho I don't think they're bad guys overall), and in the end we don't really know these people, someone might be horrible behind closed doors and we could not know
It also depends on how serious the deed is, and what my personal connection with the music is, if one of my favourite artists and songwriters did soemthing very very serious it would probably spoil it for me, but as it is now I still listen to some massive c*nts
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 11:21:24 GMT -5
Yes, but Kasabian are awful on both counts anyway so I don't need to.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 15:07:26 GMT -5
I have to compartmentalise Noel these days because he is a bitter old man who seemingly lies in every interview he gives. Used to watch all this interviews but now its best not to hear him speak.
As far as on the whole goes, its all circumstantial. It will be easy to listen to Kasabian in the future because there was 4/5 band members at any one time and Serge was the mastermind anyway. Its easy to ignore Tom on vocals.
Gary Glitter singing about being the leader of the gang though... nah.
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Post by 2nz on Jul 20, 2020 9:15:03 GMT -5
I have to compartmentalise Noel these days because he is a bitter old man who seemingly lies in every interview he gives. Used to watch all this interviews but now its best not to hear him speak. As far as on the whole goes, its all circumstantial. It will be easy to listen to Kasabian in the future because there was 4/5 band members at any one time and Serge was the mastermind anyway. Its easy to ignore Tom on vocals. Gary Glitter singing about being the leader of the gang though... nah. Hang on a second- Your moral spectrum runs- Kasabian- Fine, because it's easy to ignore Tom because there were 4 other people playing on the record. Gary Glitter-even though there were 7 other people playing on the record he's in the bin? Noel Gallagher- lies in interview, light the barbecue and burn the records? |
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Post by Jessica on Sept 5, 2022 19:29:19 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2022 6:56:55 GMT -5
I've got a simple rule of thumb and that is 'would i like to go for a beer with that person/band/whatever?'
If I wouldn't, haven't really got any interest in what they do/say/play/make.
And for those I would, it'd be interesting how many would be left on the 'listen to' list after a few drinks!
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Post by Day Tripper on Sept 6, 2022 7:41:05 GMT -5
I used to be a lot more serious with my stance regarding this but these days I feel like the neoliberal cancel culture has become so ridiculous that I don't really care what anyone thinks regarding what music I like to listen to.
That doesn't mean I'm playing fucking gary glitter records these days, it's just that I'm not particularly concerned how someone would view me listening to Morrissey or GG Allin, for example.
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Post by jezza2 on Sept 6, 2022 9:40:31 GMT -5
When Lego Rock Band was released in 2009, one of the songs that was on that game was Rooftops by Lostprophets. In 2013, the least singer was sentenced to 29 years in prison for multiple counts of sexual assault of kids. I remember liking that song, but now I don't listen to it any longer.
Obviously the example I gave is quite extreme, but overall I think the line varies, and it all comes down to your personal beliefs.
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