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Post by The Chief on May 5, 2020 8:36:07 GMT -5
So we know that Mucky Fingers was initially supposed to be the first single from DBTT. Noel said that they had everything ready including the cover.
Then they were told by the record company to make a proper single, which prompted Lyla to be added to the record.
But the end of Mucky Fingers, as you probably know, transitions into Those Swollen Hand Blues.
So I was thinking: what if Those Swollen Hand Blues was supposed to be the b-side for Mucky Fingers hence the transition. After it was scrapped as a single, maybe Noel thought it would make no sense to release Those Swollen Hand Blues without Mucky Fingers (probably for creative reasons) but left the transition on the record because it does sound cool and Noel does that kind of thing (like backwards Champagne Supernova at the end of The Shock of the Lightning)... I also thought maybe Those Swollen Hand Blues was on the record initially but I doubt it very much as it's clearly b-side material.
We know that they had a hard time getting b-sides for DOYS what with all the remixes. So since TSHB was finished, maybe he thought, "fuck it, just put it as a b-side".
So yeah just a thought I had.
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Post by uboasis on May 5, 2020 9:09:14 GMT -5
So we know that Mucky Fingers was initially supposed to be the first single from DBTT. Noel said that they had everything ready including the cover. Then they were told by the record company to make a proper single, which prompted Lyla to be added to the record. But the end of Mucky Fingers, as you probably know, transitions into Those Swollen Hands Blues. So I was thinking: what if Those Swollen Hands Blues was supposed to be the b-side for Mucky Fingers hence the transition. After it was scrapped as a single, maybe Noel thought it would make no sense to release Those Swollen Hands Blues without Mucky Fingers (probably for creative reasons) but left the transition on the record because it does sound cool and Noel does that kind of thing (like backwards Champagne Supernova at the end of The Shock of the Lightning)... I also thought maybe Those Swollen Hands Blues was on the record initially but I doubt it very much as it's clearly b-side material. We know that they had a hard time getting b-sides for DOYS what with all the remixes. So since TSHB was finished, maybe he thought, "fuck it, just put it as a b-side". So yeah just a thought I had. Actually I think there is a better chance you are right than wrong. Good one. |
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Post by megyesitomate on May 5, 2020 9:13:33 GMT -5
So we know that Mucky Fingers was initially supposed to be the first single from DBTT. Noel said that they had everything ready including the cover. Then they were told by the record company to make a proper single, which prompted Lyla to be added to the record. But the end of Mucky Fingers, as you probably know, transitions into Those Swollen Hands Blues. So I was thinking: what if Those Swollen Hands Blues was supposed to be the b-side for Mucky Fingers hence the transition. After it was scrapped as a single, maybe Noel thought it would make no sense to release Those Swollen Hands Blues without Mucky Fingers (probably for creative reasons) but left the transition on the record because it does sound cool and Noel does that kind of thing (like backwards Champagne Supernova at the end of The Shock of the Lightning)... I also thought maybe Those Swollen Hands Blues was on the record initially but I doubt it very much as it's clearly b-side material. We know that they had a hard time getting b-sides for DOYS what with all the remixes. So since TSHB was finished, maybe he thought, "fuck it, just put it as a b-side". So yeah just a thought I had. Probably true. I’ve always thought of editing them together but never got round to it. I’ll have a bit of free time this week, might actually do it because I’m really interested if it would work. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 5, 2020 9:48:09 GMT -5
They did consider, very briefly, to make DBTT a double LP. That Segway would be left over from that idea.
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Post by Supersonic on May 5, 2020 10:06:39 GMT -5
Just done an edit here. Although it's not perfect it does give you an idea of what it would sound like.
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Post by robg1979 on May 5, 2020 10:28:48 GMT -5
This tranisition was done perfectly by Idledreamer about 10 years ago for his Don't Believe The Truth Redux project. Definitely worth a listen to if people get chance.
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Post by megyesitomate on May 5, 2020 13:59:36 GMT -5
This tranisition was done perfectly by Idledreamer about 10 years ago for his Don't Believe The Truth Redux project. Definitely worth a listen to if people get chance. And where can I listen to that? |
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Post by Derrick on May 5, 2020 14:00:19 GMT -5
I'd never noticed those two song could segue into one another, but to be honest I probably haven't listened to "Those swollen hands blues" more than 5 times in my entire life.
Would've been very odd to have a Noel-sung lead single in 2005: Liam mustn't have been very fond of the idea!
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Post by World71R on May 5, 2020 14:11:47 GMT -5
Just done an edit here. Although it's not perfect it does give you an idea of what it would sound like. That's pretty good. Honestly, it gives some good depth to a song that otherwise is a Beatles pastiche, to me, but the tape loop at the end is pretty cool. I wish Noel would've done more stuff like that loop in the later years of Oasis to give some more depth to the band's music. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 5, 2020 14:35:14 GMT -5
This makes perfect sense. Incredible insight as well.
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Post by robg1979 on May 5, 2020 15:02:37 GMT -5
This tranisition was done perfectly by Idledreamer about 10 years ago for his Don't Believe The Truth Redux project. Definitely worth a listen to if people get chance. And where can I listen to that? You can download it from Noelsoasis' excellent blog Radio Supernova, under the Oasis Remix section. It assumed the mantle from Jim's now legendary RKID blog, and carried on the sterling work sharing rare promos / fan edits, amongst other things. |
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Post by mystoryisgory on May 5, 2020 19:01:25 GMT -5
Kinda wish they went for the DBTT-as-a-double-album idea. If they were gonna give us a bunch of mediocre songs with a smattering of great ones they might as well have given us 20 of them.
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 5, 2020 22:52:04 GMT -5
Kinda wish they went for the DBTT-as-a-double-album idea. If they were gonna give us a bunch of mediocre songs with a smattering of great ones they might as well have given us 20 of them. If there was ever a time and a place for Oasis to release a double album this was it. CD 11. Turn Up The Sun 2. Mucky Fingers 3. Those Swollen Hand Blues 4. Lyla 5. Love Like A Bomb 6. The Importance of Being Idle 7. The Meaning of Soul 8. Guess God Thinks I'm Abel 9. Part of the Queue 10. Keep The Dream Alive 11. Let There Be Love CD 21. Lord Don't Slow Me Down 2. Pass Me Down The Wine 3. The Roller 4. Stop The Clocks (Liam) 5. Eyeball Tickler 6. Sittin' Here in Silence (On My Own) 7. A Bell Will Ring 8. She Must Be One of Us 9. I Wanna Live In A Dream In My Record Machine (Liam) 10. Who Put The Weight of The World on My Shoulders? 11. Boy With The Blues |
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Post by Rolo on May 6, 2020 3:47:57 GMT -5
There surely must be a Liam sung version of Mucky Fingers out there then? No way they'd lead the album with a Noel sung song.
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Post by carlober on May 6, 2020 5:02:04 GMT -5
Solid theory!
Two dull songs though. Those Swollen Hand Blues is a total bore.
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Post by The Chief on May 6, 2020 7:13:36 GMT -5
They did consider, very briefly, to make DBTT a double LP. That Segway would be left over from that idea. Hey that's right, I forgot about that! There surely must be a Liam sung version of Mucky Fingers out there then? No way they'd lead the album with a Noel sung song. I don't see Liam getting on board with that tune for some reason. I also don't thing he'd would have been able to reach the higher notes. Maybe the fact that Noel sung it was a factor for it getting scrapped. Solid theory! Two dull songs though. Those Swollen Hand Blues is a total bore. Thanks!  I agree about the songs. I don't skip Mucky Fingers when I'm listening to DBTT but I never get the urge to just put that song on. Same with Those Swollen Hand Blues, which will play if I'm listening to DOYS and sometimes I'll just skip it. |
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Post by underneaththesky on May 6, 2020 7:50:44 GMT -5
WERE YOU THERE is always THE question.
agree Mucky fingers didnt age so well but back then it was a monster and Liam (as usual) would have made it a classic.
the build up to DBTT was insane (every record was)
easy to listen to those songs in 2020 saying they're all shit
I still like most of them
*ALIVE >>>>>> Keep The Dream Alive
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Post by The Chief on May 6, 2020 10:05:43 GMT -5
WERE YOU THERE is always THE question. What? agree Mucky fingers didnt age so well but back then it was a monster and Liam (as usual) would have made it a classic. I don't think so. It's giving Liam way too much credit. For example, a bland boring song like Keep the Dream Alive is not better because Liam sang it. It's still bland and boring. the build up to DBTT was insane (every record was) It was! Amazing times! easy to listen to those songs in 2020 saying they're all shit Saying that Mucky Fingers and Those Swollen Hand Blues are dull songs is hardly saying they're all shit... a little extreme there dude!  I still like most of them Me too! Just listened to the record in its entirety with the b-sides on Monday (hence this popping in my head). *ALIVE >>>>>> Keep The Dream Alive Mmm.... two songs I don't really like... so it's hard to say which is better. I guess one could say Alive has more spirit because of when it was written and recorded but... meh. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 6, 2020 10:11:03 GMT -5
There surely must be a Liam sung version of Mucky Fingers out there then? No way they'd lead the album with a Noel sung song. Noel's comments could have been referencing the time before the record executives had him add two more songs (Lyla and Idle). When you remove those tracks DBTT becomes extremely thin on commercial material. |
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Post by LlAM on May 7, 2020 7:37:08 GMT -5
Mucky Fingers hurts my ears
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Post by nutsngum on May 7, 2020 8:29:16 GMT -5
Mucky Fingers was supposed to be a single around the time of Glastonbury 2004. However, Noel claims that they had to shelve it because Liam got in a strop because he wasn't singing it. Artwork was made for it.
Makes sense that Those Swollen Hand Blues was the b-side.
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Post by popromancer on May 7, 2020 10:05:47 GMT -5
Kinda wish they went for the DBTT-as-a-double-album idea. If they were gonna give us a bunch of mediocre songs with a smattering of great ones they might as well have given us 20 of them. If there was ever a time and a place for Oasis to release a double album this was it. CD 11. Turn Up The Sun 2. Mucky Fingers 3. Those Swollen Hand Blues 4. Lyla 5. Love Like A Bomb 6. The Importance of Being Idle 7. The Meaning of Soul 8. Guess God Thinks I'm Abel 9. Part of the Queue 10. Keep The Dream Alive 11. Let There Be Love CD 21. Lord Don't Slow Me Down 2. Pass Me Down The Wine 3. The Roller 4. Stop The Clocks (Liam) 5. Eyeball Tickler 6. Sittin' Here in Silence (On My Own) 7. A Bell Will Ring 8. She Must Be One of Us 9. I Wann Live In A Dream In My Record Machine (Liam) 10. Who Put The Weight of The World on My Shoulders? 11. Boy With The Blues Wow, that would be great! That would actually move the album to my favourite oasis album! (I think). It could also include don't stop. |
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Post by supernovadragon on May 13, 2020 15:41:27 GMT -5
And where can I listen to that? You can download it from Noelsoasis' excellent blog Radio Supernova, under the Oasis Remix section. It assumed the mantle from Jim's now legendary RKID blog, and carried on the sterling work sharing rare promos / fan edits, amongst other things. Please can someone post a link for the blog, I can't find it for some unknown reason |
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Post by garys on Jun 1, 2020 18:44:21 GMT -5
This tranisition was done perfectly by Idledreamer about 10 years ago for his Don't Believe The Truth Redux project. Definitely worth a listen to if people get chance. Indeed mate, I listen to DBTT Redux regularly, better than the official release. |
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Post by yeayeayeah on Jun 3, 2020 2:56:11 GMT -5
Mucky Fingers is far from single quality, nevermind lead single quality.
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