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Post by His Royal Noelness on Sept 17, 2023 3:13:51 GMT -5
Noel and Matt have clearly distanced themselves from Brand since before the Pandemic.
Noel and Matt are not guilty by association. This is on Brand not them.
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Post by globe on Sept 17, 2023 4:35:02 GMT -5
Think Noel and Matt are currently deleting lots of txts and blocking Russell Brand’s number right now? Unless there is evidence of people being involved in Brand’s activities don’t link peoples names to him. Aye calm doon eh, I’m not accusing Noel of doing anything or being involved in anything Brans has allegedly done ffs. However since you mention it, Noel was very linked to him. He was clearly very good friends with him during the time some of these accusations were apparently taking place. Given it seems to have been an open secret in the “business” of how much of a creep Brand is, perhaps he was hearing things and having a deaf ear to it. That’s not me necessarily having a go at Noel, as a man that’s me saying we all need to stop turning a blind eye to this kind of behavior if we know about it. |
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Post by Aman on Sept 17, 2023 5:50:35 GMT -5
Brand has always been a prick.
That awful call to Andrew Sachs with Jonathan Ross etc.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Sept 17, 2023 6:55:48 GMT -5
I really liked Russell Brand (when he was a comedian) but if this is all true then Christ Almighty... I really hope we don't get Noel defending him publicly. I can imagine using his new "woke" schtick he's peddling and completely misread the room. Honestly, I don't think he'll get asked I think the way his name has been minimally brought up in the press and was completely absent from the doc is quite telling. Russ was his best man and he was a regular (more or less) gues on his radio show for years after all. I believe he probably made it clear he wants nothing to do with this, and they have nothing on him. |
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Post by superrnova on Sept 17, 2023 7:37:23 GMT -5
Brand has always been a prick. That awful call to Andrew Sachs with Jonathan Ross etc. Yes, he was always creepy. So sad that people turned a blind eye. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Sept 17, 2023 9:02:24 GMT -5
Being creepy is one thing, being rapist is another.
None of us was there and don't know what happened.
I hope the authorities will do their job and that if he did it that he will spend rest of his life in prison.
If he didn't do it, I wish him to take a lot of money from those who accused him.
Until then, I really don't have anything more to say about this because I don't know anything about this case, I wasn't there and it is not on me to make conclusions.
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Post by matt on Sept 17, 2023 9:17:21 GMT -5
Being creepy is one thing, being rapist is another. None of us was there and don't know what happened. I hope the authorities will do their job and that if he did it that he will spend rest of his life in prison. If he didn't do it, I wish him to take a lot of money from those who accused him. Until then, I really don't have anything more to say about this because I don't know anything about this case, I wasn't there and it is not on me to make conclusions. That's a cop out argument. Given there's various text messages proving it and medical evidence from those attacked, then he's pretty much done for. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Sept 17, 2023 9:25:54 GMT -5
I don't read tabloids.
If that is the case and there are strong evidences, I pray that he will not get out of the prison for the rest of his life.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Sept 17, 2023 9:42:05 GMT -5
I don't read tabloids. If that is the case and there are strong evidences, I pray that he will not get out of the prison for the rest of his life. Neither Channel 4 nor The Times are tabloids. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Sept 17, 2023 9:57:42 GMT -5
I don't read tabloids. If that is the case and there are strong evidences, I pray that he will not get out of the prison for the rest of his life. Neither Channel 4 nor The Times are tabloids. Well, that's my whole point actually. I'm not ashamed to admit that I know nothing about the case, quite the opposite.
I don't think that it is on any media to say if someone is guilty or not, well done to them if they helped and it turns out that they were right.
But I still don't really wanna talk about it until it is confirmed by a court.
There is something wrong about that guy and I was actually talking about him with my girlfriend two days ago and I was telling her how much I don't like him.
But raping is something else.
I don't know, I will not go any further, like I said, I don't think it is on me to investigate online and to make conclusions, feel free if you want it but I really don't come here to read about stuff like that on parts of forum dedicated to music.
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Post by globe on Sept 17, 2023 9:58:46 GMT -5
Being creepy is one thing, being rapist is another. None of us was there and don't know what happened. I hope the authorities will do their job and that if he did it that he will spend rest of his life in prison. If he didn't do it, I wish him to take a lot of money from those who accused him. Until then, I really don't have anything more to say about this because I don't know anything about this case, I wasn't there and it is not on me to make conclusions. Well with respect you shouldn’t comment on it at all. I mean, have you read it? Or watched the show? This has been investigated and corroborated over a number of years. Go and read the lassies txt messages between them. Going by your logic I guess Jimmy Saville should be considered innocent seeing as he was never convicted in court of anything. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Sept 17, 2023 10:44:35 GMT -5
Neither Channel 4 nor The Times are tabloids. Well, that's my whole point actually. I'm not ashamed to admit that I know nothing about the case, quite the opposite. I don't think that it is on any media to say if someone is guilty or not, well done to them if they helped and it turns out that they were right. But I still don't really wanna talk about it until it is confirmed by a court.
There is something wrong about that guy and I was actually talking about him with my girlfriend two days ago and I was telling her how much I don't like him. But raping is something else. I don't know, I will not go any further, like I said, I don't think it is on me to investigate online and to make conclusions, feel free if you want it but I really don't come here to read about stuff like that on parts of forum dedicated to music.
Either watch the Doc, read the Times article, or stop talking because you’re just showing yourself up here. The evidence in the doc and Times is pretty damning. |
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Sept 17, 2023 11:15:34 GMT -5
Being creepy is one thing, being rapist is another. None of us was there and don't know what happened. I hope the authorities will do their job and that if he did it that he will spend rest of his life in prison. If he didn't do it, I wish him to take a lot of money from those who accused him. Until then, I really don't have anything more to say about this because I don't know anything about this case, I wasn't there and it is not on me to make conclusions. It isn't tabloid tittle tattle. It is a 3 year joint investigation by Dispatches and the Sunday Times (a broadsheet) with testimonies from 5 different women alleging rape and sexual assault, supported by a wealth of evidence including text messages independently verified to have been sent by his number and medical evidence from a rape clinic that the victim attended the following day. Two of the alleged assaults took place in America outside of the CPS's jurisdiction. The other took place in 2007 and the victim was 16 - they were already in a consensual relationship - though he is alleged to have groomed her whilst she was still at school (though above the age of consent as she was 16 and he was 30). There is no realistic chance of a conviction as it stands as - despite the wealth of evidence against him - the threshold for rape is extremely high and very few rapes result in a convicting. I would strongly urge you to watch the show or read the Sunday Times report. And also, whilst there is clearly no suggestion Noel knew or is implicated in any way, it is topical given how close the three of them were. |
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Post by tiger40 on Sept 17, 2023 12:57:21 GMT -5
Brand has always been a prick. That awful call to Andrew Sachs with Jonathan Ross etc. I agree with you about Brand and I remember very well that awful call to Andrew Sachs with the awful Jonathan Ross . |
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Post by tiger40 on Sept 17, 2023 13:00:31 GMT -5
I didn't watch the Despatches programme last night but I've read about these latest allegations and yes they're pretty damming and serious. The police have already said that they're aware of it all and have told any other victim to come forward.
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Post by elenche on Sept 18, 2023 6:26:29 GMT -5
Being creepy is one thing, being rapist is another. None of us was there and don't know what happened. I hope the authorities will do their job and that if he did it that he will spend rest of his life in prison. If he didn't do it, I wish him to take a lot of money from those who accused him. Until then, I really don't have anything more to say about this because I don't know anything about this case, I wasn't there and it is not on me to make conclusions. Well with respect you shouldn’t comment on it at all. I mean, have you read it? Or watched the show? This has been investigated and corroborated over a number of years. Go and read the lassies txt messages between them. Going by your logic I guess Jimmy Saville should be considered innocent seeing as he was never convicted in court of anything. For me, Dispatches raised the question of whether he is a rapist, but more importantly, it documented the things Brand did on camera or publicly admitted. And the majority of those are indeed sexual assaults not just jokes across the line. |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Sept 18, 2023 8:02:40 GMT -5
Hope the cunt goes to chokey.
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Post by tiger40 on Sept 18, 2023 12:53:55 GMT -5
I think that these allegations are just the tip of the ice berg concerning Brand and it's been reported in the news that the police have received a report of an elleged sexual assault in 2003 in connection with The Times and Channel 4's Despatches. But they haven't named Brand, however, I think that the police will want to interview him at some point.
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Post by bt95 on Sept 19, 2023 4:11:16 GMT -5
Unless there is evidence of people being involved in Brand’s activities don’t link peoples names to him. Aye calm doon eh, I’m not accusing Noel of doing anything or being involved in anything Brans has allegedly done ffs. However since you mention it, Noel was very linked to him. He was clearly very good friends with him during the time some of these accusations were apparently taking place. Given it seems to have been an open secret in the “business” of how much of a creep Brand is, perhaps he was hearing things and having a deaf ear to it. That’s not me necessarily having a go at Noel, as a man that’s me saying we all need to stop turning a blind eye to this kind of behavior if we know about it. Don't think it was ever an 'open secret' until way after... that's the thing. Indeed there's some people - who haven't been defending him - saying they'd never heard anything of the sort. Whether you believe that or not or it's them just trying to stray clear of anyone asking 'well if you did know, why didn't you at least try to do something'? This is not a defence of what Brand did/is accused of doing. If the allegations are proved true, then he should be locked up. However, it was a very different time in the mid 2000s when everyone was well aware of Brands' 'persona' and basically the fact he was a complete sex case is what got him so far. Would that even come about now? Of course not. But at the time it was very different, it was almost actively encouraged. Again, that's not saying sexual assault was actively encouraged, of course. And to reiterated, if Brand did what he is accused of doing then I hope he gets punished as much as he can. |
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Post by aesthetic on Sept 19, 2023 4:15:45 GMT -5
He was clearly very good friends with him during the time some of these accusations were apparently taking place. Given it seems to have been an open secret in the “business” of how much of a creep Brand is, perhaps he was hearing things and having a deaf ear to it. Wasn't Brand the best man at Noel's wedding in 2011? Which is the height of when all this dodgy behaviour was meant to be occurring. I agree with everyone saying Noel had nothing to do with it -- you can accuse Noel of a lot of things, but he has always come across to me as someone who respects and adores women and treats them as equals. But there is no denying it ain't a good look for Team Noel. |
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Post by elenche on Sept 19, 2023 5:39:45 GMT -5
He was clearly very good friends with him during the time some of these accusations were apparently taking place. Given it seems to have been an open secret in the “business” of how much of a creep Brand is, perhaps he was hearing things and having a deaf ear to it. Wasn't Brand the best man at Noel's wedding in 2011? Which is the height of when all this dodgy behaviour was meant to be occurring. I agree with everyone saying Noel had nothing to do with it -- you can accuse Noel of a lot of things, but he has always come across to me as someone who respects and adores women and treats them as equals. But there is no denying it ain't a good look for Team Noel. Both Daniel Sloss and Katherine Ryan were not really in business before 2012, Daniel might have been a bit earlier but I only remember The Joker. I don't think most people knew Brand's 'relationships' were unconsensual at the time. Then as more victims spoke up, the open secret changed from womaniser to rapist. |
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Post by matt on Sept 19, 2023 9:09:46 GMT -5
Unless there is evidence of people being involved in Brand’s activities don’t link peoples names to him. Aye calm doon eh, I’m not accusing Noel of doing anything or being involved in anything Brans has allegedly done ffs. However since you mention it, Noel was very linked to him. He was clearly very good friends with him during the time some of these accusations were apparently taking place. Given it seems to have been an open secret in the “business” of how much of a creep Brand is, perhaps he was hearing things and having a deaf ear to it. That’s not me necessarily having a go at Noel, as a man that’s me saying we all need to stop turning a blind eye to this kind of behavior if we know about it. To be brutally honest, I don't think Noel Gallagher is smart or sensitive enough to spot the red flags. You can guarantee he probably just equates it to 'lads being lads'. The likes of him and that fuckwit Jonathan Ross are evidently too easily manipulated and taken in by him. Would probably still back his predatory mate today, I'm just waiting for the inevitable PR disaster from Noel yet again. |
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Sept 19, 2023 9:23:25 GMT -5
Aye calm doon eh, I’m not accusing Noel of doing anything or being involved in anything Brans has allegedly done ffs. However since you mention it, Noel was very linked to him. He was clearly very good friends with him during the time some of these accusations were apparently taking place. Given it seems to have been an open secret in the “business” of how much of a creep Brand is, perhaps he was hearing things and having a deaf ear to it. That’s not me necessarily having a go at Noel, as a man that’s me saying we all need to stop turning a blind eye to this kind of behavior if we know about it. To be brutally honest, I don't think Noel Gallagher is smart or sensitive enough to spot the red flags. You can guarantee he probably just equates it to 'lads being lads'. The likes of him and that fuckwit Jonathan Ross are evidently too easily manipulated to be taken in by him. Would probably still back his predatory mate today, I'm just waiting for the inevitable PR disaster from Noel yet again. This is what I was saying earlier. I am absolutely certain he will say something in support of him and it will be along the lines of how people are "woke" now. I would say that him being away from Sara would make it even more likely for him to comment, but I get the feeling Sara would defend him too so my point is irrelevant. That being said, I am surprised Liam hasn't bitten on social media towards it all. I have seem hundreds of people asking him about it and he has kept quiet. |
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Post by aesthetic on Sept 19, 2023 9:46:38 GMT -5
You can guarantee he probably just equates it to 'lads being lads'. I think you are way off the mark here. Noel is certainly old enough and smart enough to know the difference between "lads being lads" and several women being raped. I would guarantee that Noel finds any genuine abuse towards women abhorrent, especially after what he witnessed his own mother experience. |
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Post by The Chief on Sept 19, 2023 9:59:00 GMT -5
Aye calm doon eh, I’m not accusing Noel of doing anything or being involved in anything Brans has allegedly done ffs. However since you mention it, Noel was very linked to him. He was clearly very good friends with him during the time some of these accusations were apparently taking place. Given it seems to have been an open secret in the “business” of how much of a creep Brand is, perhaps he was hearing things and having a deaf ear to it. That’s not me necessarily having a go at Noel, as a man that’s me saying we all need to stop turning a blind eye to this kind of behavior if we know about it. To be brutally honest, I don't think Noel Gallagher is smart or sensitive enough to spot the red flags. You can guarantee he probably just equates it to 'lads being lads'. The likes of him and that fuckwit Jonathan Ross are evidently too easily manipulated to be taken in by him. Would probably still back his predatory mate today, I'm just waiting for the inevitable PR disaster from Noel yet again. That's not brutally honest, it's just disgusting. We're talking full on rape, relationship with a fucking 16 year old and other horrific shit. I don't see how you can think anyone, let alone Noel, would just brush this off as today's world being 'woke' or lads being lads... if that's ever the case, then anyone, even Noel, need to reassess their views on women and humanity. Because you have to be a fucking piece of shit to defend this kind of behaviour, no matter who did it. I don't know why you would see Noel a fucking piece of shit in that way. Is he an old fart who no longer understands the world he lives in? He sure seemed to be going that way earlier in the year, although I had a feeling he was evolving in the right way recently. But being an old fart is very very very very different than defending rape or a relationship with a 16 year old. |
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