It's a good track. Not one of Billie's best but a haunting tune with a sweet melody and smart production. The bridge with the "was it obvious to everybody else?" is lovely. I feel like it's just a Honeymoon-era Lana song that they got Billie to make because she's the hottest thing in music right now, though. We need a Lana Bond song!

i guess it has to do with the era. in the 70s it was sirupy ballads, in the 60s the big orchestral band tunes. most people go for sad ballads or rap nowadays. Guess they cant really ask a rapper to do it, so that leaves only one option.

Adele one is magic, i thought, in the vein of the best bond themes. the built up is immense. Sam smith was probably the worst one since Madonna.

yeah this one is wild

mine is more classic but it's a very special song, although not really the "theme tune"

Mid-tier Billie, in my opinion. Lyrically weaker than most of her stuff - I think it's fairly clear that spy-flavored cynicism isn't quite in her or brother Finneas's wheelhouse - but I like the minimalist production pretty well, and I like how it starts off so quiet and then builds. It's also catchy enough to have gotten stuck in my head a few times.

He's going to die, he's going to die, James Bond is going to die.

Good point, I didn't think of it like that. The gritty, raw feel of You Know My Name from Chris Cornell emphasised a u-turn from the disastrous Die Another Day (and latter Pierce Brosnan films - he only ever did one decent film in Goldeneye in my opinion). Man, Chris Cornell was such a left field turn - not an artist who was in the charts by any means and not 'contemporary' since the 1990s, but he sure as hell packed a punch. I remember watching Casino Royale in the cinema when it came out and was so impressed by how they completely redefined the entire series and the song encapsulated that.

But once they'd established the vulnerability of Bond with Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace (latter film all over the place but still emphasised that anger in him), they went with the dour feel and it's become unsurprising. I think Skyfall is a really generic tune that borders on cliche for a Bond theme, so I like Billie Eilish's more subtle tune. With that in mind, I do think it's the best Bond theme since Casino Royale and objectively a really good tune. It's a shame that the two mellow predecessors means it lacks that surprise element though, but over time, it will prove to be one of the 'good' Bond themes.

God know where they go with the franchise after Daniel Craig - I thought the Pierce Brosnan efforts were just awful films aside from Goldeneye, so the reboot was such a breath of fresh air. I'm not sure how you top Casino Royale (so well thought out and really restrained and mature for a Bond film) and Skyfall (unbelievable cinematography and great fun with great characterisation too) - I hope they stray away from any smut and cheesiness and make it gritty again (felt that Spectre started to revert to old cliches again).

I think it's shit but then again I judge every bond song next to a view to a kill which for me is the best bond song ever written, next is Chris Cornell then adele

Anyone else think Liam would do a great cover of you know my name by Chris Cornell?

So this film is finally coming out next week. Thoughts?

I've been reading a few articles on this, with the producers talking up a more socially conscious Bond, promising less blatant sexism with more 'discreet sex scenes' and 'racial equality'. Dunno what they mean by this (discreet sex scene?), but given the series woeful misjudgements on such matters, I half expect a scene with Daniel Craig's Bond all blacked up while having a crafty wank behind some bin sheds.

Another thing with this series is that the films are just too damn long. This one is approaching three hours and I can guarantee I'll come out the cinema wishing they'd cut 45 minutes off it just like all the other ones. The ideal director for this, Danny Boyle, would have cut off all the excess baggage and left it pacey.

It's not a problem for me, 90% of Bond films are utter shite for the reasons stated - they are really camp and shallow (Die Another Day must be one of the worst films I've ever seen). I'm just noting that anything that's seen as a bit more progressive - when all its doing is just 'not being racist and sexist' - is being drummed up as some 'woke' Bond. It isn't, it's just common bloody sense.

I think the series is pretty shallow on anything thoughtful and progressive though, especially towards women. It's not about being 'woke', it's about making a decent film, and most Bond films have awful two-dimensional women characters that are just cringe worthy. Just merely eye candy who get killed later on.

I grew up watching Raiders of the Lost Ark - far far greater than any Bond film - and Indy's sidekick was Marion Ravenwood. A fierce independent character that really added so much to the film to make it one of the greatest films ever made. With some backward Bond fans though, you get the Brexiteers who don't even want that from them - these pot bellied ugly right wingers just merely want some blonde bimbo on screen to light up some fantasy in their sad pathetic lives.

Daniel Craig's Bond films merely are on par with what female characters should represent but its merely on par, it's not banging the drum loudly which bemuses me about the promotional aspect (it's no different in attitudes from other blockbusters) and the backward fanbase ala Piers Morgan who think its gone 'too far' progressive. It really is pathetic and shows how backwards the fanbase are.

Bond is naff because of its innately conservative fanbase and it's shallow films that play up to that (Goldfinger is a load of toss personally). Up until Casino Royale, there was never any truly great Bond film. The issue isn't Bond becoming woke, the issue is the weird section of the fanbase thinking that it should go back to the days when Bond forces himself on women and 'cures' their lesbianism.