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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 26, 2020 14:52:22 GMT -5
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Post by oasisserbia on Jan 26, 2020 15:06:08 GMT -5
RIP Bryant.
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Post by RocketMan on Jan 26, 2020 16:10:21 GMT -5
fuck..
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 26, 2020 18:37:48 GMT -5
I grew up shouting 'KOBE' anytime I threw something.
Never stop doing it. Never let the tradition die. /stolen
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Post by Zingbot on Jan 26, 2020 18:45:50 GMT -5
That's sad.
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Post by Zingbot on Jan 26, 2020 22:32:34 GMT -5
His daughter died too, that's terrible. Hopefully they're both in a better place too.
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Jan 27, 2020 0:00:56 GMT -5
RIP. Sounds like pilot error
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Post by sgtpeppr on Jan 27, 2020 0:27:39 GMT -5
R.I.P. shocked...is it wrong to wonder why he was taking a helicopter to his daughters game, only an hour away?
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Post by Lennon's Ghost on Jan 27, 2020 0:28:11 GMT -5
RIP. A fine athlete, a loving father and husband. All round great guy. He will be missed.
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Post by RocketMan on Jan 27, 2020 6:24:27 GMT -5
R.I.P. shocked...is it wrong to wonder why he was taking a helicopter to his daughters game, only an hour away? If you have the money it's the fastest way to travel in Los Angeles. Traffic is horrible |
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Post by fabulousbakers on Jan 27, 2020 6:42:53 GMT -5
Longer post deleted - forget it. Some people will forgive sports "heroes" for anything.
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Post by lakerfan7 on Jan 27, 2020 14:04:00 GMT -5
I'm just still in shock. Been a Laker fan since the early 90's so watched his entire 20 year career so feels like he's one of the family.
Just cannot believe it....
Honestly, it's stuff like this where you just wish Liam and Noel could just bury the hatchet.
You just never know when it'll all end.
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Post by lakerfan7 on Jan 27, 2020 14:07:38 GMT -5
R.I.P. shocked...is it wrong to wonder why he was taking a helicopter to his daughters game, only an hour away? An hour away if there was absolutely no traffic, which is never the case in LA. He's taken a helicopter for as long as I can remember. He lives out in Newport Beach in Orange County and the Lakers play in downtown LA (almost 50 miles so about a 2 hour ride each way during rush hour traffic) so he'd even take a helicopter from Newport to LA for games. It was just his normal mode of transportation. |
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Post by sgtpeppr on Jan 27, 2020 22:04:55 GMT -5
fair enough. just seems kinda overboard for traveling within city limits...even with the horrible traffic.
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Post by NYR on Jan 27, 2020 23:32:50 GMT -5
Hearing the news of Kobe's passing literally caused my to lose my breath. The man transcended the sport. Go to any part of the world, and if they know anything about basketball, it's MJ, LeBron, and Kobe.
Coincidentally, I went to the Knicks game last night—my first one in nearly two decades, oddly enough—and the stadium, teams, and fans all paid homage to him. It was really touching.
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Post by sgtpeppr on Jan 28, 2020 1:50:58 GMT -5
Longer post deleted - forget it. Some people will forgive sports "heroes" for anything. was waiting for people to start bringing up his 'other side'. its taking much longer than i thought it would...especially in todays social climate. |
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Post by fabulousbakers on Jan 28, 2020 6:16:15 GMT -5
Longer post deleted - forget it. Some people will forgive sports "heroes" for anything. was waiting for people to start bringing up his 'other side'. its taking much longer than i thought it would...especially in todays social climate. Well one journalist has apparently been sacked or suspended for even daring to mention it after his death. I do laugh when I hear people saying what a "loving husband" he was. |
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Post by sgtpeppr on Jan 28, 2020 9:17:16 GMT -5
was waiting for people to start bringing up his 'other side'. its taking much longer than i thought it would...especially in todays social climate. Well one journalist has apparently been sacked or suspended for even daring to mention it after his death. I do laugh when I hear people saying what a "loving husband" he was. yeah. just lip service from fans, for a man none of us actually knew...my general rule for famous people: respect the player/talent the not the person. |
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Post by oasismashups on Jan 28, 2020 14:44:09 GMT -5
He was one of the main reasons I started watching more NBA games in the late 90's. I became a Lakers fan because of him, I even bought his #8 jersey
I still can't believe it. So sad.
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Post by lakerfan7 on Jan 28, 2020 14:58:00 GMT -5
fair enough. just seems kinda overboard for traveling within city limits...even with the horrible traffic. Overboard? Possibly. But as someone mentioned above, if you have the money, it affords you the luxuries. He was interviewed some time ago about why he takes the chopper and he said it was so he could spend more time with his family. He said he could drop his kids off to school in the morning...take the chopper to downtown to get practice and then fly back so he could pick them up from school (something that would be virtually impossible by car). He said since most of the time, he's away half the year playing in different cities, this maximized his time spent with them. |
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Post by lakerfan7 on Jan 28, 2020 15:04:00 GMT -5
was waiting for people to start bringing up his 'other side'. its taking much longer than i thought it would...especially in todays social climate. Well one journalist has apparently been sacked or suspended for even daring to mention it after his death. I do laugh when I hear people saying what a "loving husband" he was. And I do laugh at people who don't know anything about someone thinking they do. He made the mistake of cheating on his wife. He's certainly not the first famous person who's done that and won't be the last, unfortunately. But man, that was 17 years ago...could it be possible that he learned a lot about himself and became a better husband? |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 28, 2020 15:48:36 GMT -5
was waiting for people to start bringing up his 'other side'. its taking much longer than i thought it would...especially in todays social climate. Well one journalist has apparently been sacked or suspended for even daring to mention it after his death. I do laugh when I hear people saying what a "loving husband" he was. People forget quickly. 15 years ago his rape incident was huge huge huge news. It damaged his reputation immediately. Loss of so many sponsorship deals. It was disgusting the victim shaming his defense team was doing leading up to the trial. They have laws against that now in this country. He definitely felt the heat. He cut a deal with the victim. He would issue a public apology and admit he was wrong. He also paid her $2.5m. He got no trial and no risk of jail time. She also could never speak of it again. Just remember folks he admitted to rape. That can’t be forgotten. A man can be a husband. A father. A sports hero and a rapist all at the same time. The media and fan reaction is a little over the top praising a man we don’t really know off the court. The loving husband angle spoken by the media is puzzling. His wife filed for divorce from him twice over affairs. Once in 2003. The other in 2011. The one story we do know off the court is a terrible one. I feel bad for all the families involved in this crash and the terrible loss of life. Kobe is one of the few individuals I can name that somehow had a successful career after a high profile rape case. The other is Roman Polanski. His is even worse. It was a minor. How is it some men are damned to lose it all in the metoo era yet others get a pass? How do they pick and decide who goes down for the count and others are waived off? |
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Post by funhouse on Jan 28, 2020 16:38:17 GMT -5
Well one journalist has apparently been sacked or suspended for even daring to mention it after his death. I do laugh when I hear people saying what a "loving husband" he was. People forget quickly. 15 years ago his rape incident was huge huge huge news. It damaged his reputation immediately. Loss of so many sponsorship deals. It was disgusting the victim shaming his defense team was doing leading up to the trial. They have laws against that now in this country. He definitely felt the heat. He cut a deal with the victim. He would issue a public apology and admit he was wrong. He also paid her $2.5m. He got no trial and no risk of jail time. She also could never speak of it again. Just remember folks he admitted to rape. That can’t be forgotten. A man can be a husband. A father. A sports hero and a rapist all at the same time. The media and fan reaction is a little over the top praising a man we don’t really know off the court. The loving husband angle spoken by the media is puzzling. His wife filed for divorce from him twice over affairs. Once in 2003. The other in 2011. The one story we do know off the court is a terrible one. I feel bad for all the families involved in this crash and the terrible loss of life. Kobe is one of the few individuals I can name that somehow had a successful career after a high profile rape case. The other is Roman Polanski. His is even worse. It was a minor. How is it some men are damned to lose it all in the metoo era yet others get a pass? How do they pick and decide who goes down for the count and others are waived off? I don't blame anyone for reacting the way they do, it was a tragedy and he was one of the all time greatest. However, it becomes a bit uncomfortable when you not only hear that he was a great guy, but that he was without a doubt one of the greatest guys who ever have lived, from everyone who ever played against him, everyone who watched him play. I get that you only focus on the positives in an event like this, but with that rape case in mind, maybe turn it down with the extreme praise of him as a person, just a little? It's like the pope just died, and all the people in the world are hardcore Catholics. |
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Post by lakerfan7 on Jan 28, 2020 17:13:04 GMT -5
Well one journalist has apparently been sacked or suspended for even daring to mention it after his death. I do laugh when I hear people saying what a "loving husband" he was. People forget quickly. 15 years ago his rape incident was huge huge huge news. It damaged his reputation immediately. Loss of so many sponsorship deals. It was disgusting the victim shaming his defense team was doing leading up to the trial. They have laws against that now in this country. He definitely felt the heat. He cut a deal with the victim. He would issue a public apology and admit he was wrong. He also paid her $2.5m. He got no trial and no risk of jail time. She also could never speak of it again. Just remember folks he admitted to rape. That can’t be forgotten. A man can be a husband. A father. A sports hero and a rapist all at the same time. The media and fan reaction is a little over the top praising a man we don’t really know off the court. The loving husband angle spoken by the media is puzzling. His wife filed for divorce from him twice over affairs. Once in 2003. The other in 2011. The one story we do know off the court is a terrible one. I feel bad for all the families involved in this crash and the terrible loss of life. Kobe is one of the few individuals I can name that somehow had a successful career after a high profile rape case. The other is Roman Polanski. His is even worse. It was a minor. How is it some men are damned to lose it all in the metoo era yet others get a pass? How do they pick and decide who goes down for the count and others are waived off? Nah man, he never admitted to raping her. 'Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did'That's basically a nice version of 'he-said, she-said' Look man, nobody is going to know if he really raped her or not (only him and her). All we know is that she was unwilling to testify and the case was dismissed. She then sued him in civil court, where they settled, which is where people think he paid her off. Bottom line, it wasn't a good look for him at all and I truly hope he didn't do it, but we'll never know. So no, it's inaccurate to label him a rapist. Adulterer? For sure. And honestly, who cares about if his wife filed for divorce (believe it was only in 2011...IIRC she stuck by his side through the whole case in '03)? Can couples not reconcile and be happy with each other? This 'over-the-top' media praise, well that's mainly coming from media members who actually do (or did) know the guy. He's done a lot of great work in the LA area and has raised a lot of money for charity and is a great family man (from the people that know him). He definitely wasn't perfect and that rape case was a terrible look, but he overcame fought his way back to the top. As far as Polanski goes, he was convicted and the only reason he dodged jail time is escaping to Switzerland. Correct me if I'm wrong but he's still wanted in the US to this day, right? Kobe's cased was 'waived off' because the girl refused to testify sooo.... |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 28, 2020 17:17:04 GMT -5
People forget quickly. 15 years ago his rape incident was huge huge huge news. It damaged his reputation immediately. Loss of so many sponsorship deals. It was disgusting the victim shaming his defense team was doing leading up to the trial. They have laws against that now in this country. He definitely felt the heat. He cut a deal with the victim. He would issue a public apology and admit he was wrong. He also paid her $2.5m. He got no trial and no risk of jail time. She also could never speak of it again. Just remember folks he admitted to rape. That can’t be forgotten. A man can be a husband. A father. A sports hero and a rapist all at the same time. The media and fan reaction is a little over the top praising a man we don’t really know off the court. The loving husband angle spoken by the media is puzzling. His wife filed for divorce from him twice over affairs. Once in 2003. The other in 2011. The one story we do know off the court is a terrible one. I feel bad for all the families involved in this crash and the terrible loss of life. Kobe is one of the few individuals I can name that somehow had a successful career after a high profile rape case. The other is Roman Polanski. His is even worse. It was a minor. How is it some men are damned to lose it all in the metoo era yet others get a pass? How do they pick and decide who goes down for the count and others are waived off? I don't blame anyone for reacting the way they do, it was a tragedy and he was one of the all time greatest. However, it becomes a bit uncomfortable when you not only hear that he was a great guy, but that he was without a doubt one of the greatest guys who ever have lived, from everyone who ever played against him, everyone who watched him play. I get that you only focus on the positives in an event like this, but with that rape case in mind, maybe turn it down with the extreme praise of him as a person, just a little? It's like the pope just died, and all the people in the world are hardcore Catholics. We fans don’t know these celebs and athletes. We only know what we see. Actors act. Singers sing. Athletes play. I have no idea how any of them live. Was Kobe a great basketball player? Yes. Great husband? Highly doubt it. He admitted to the police the night he was arrested in 2003 that he has had several outside marriage affairs with one particular regular that his wife knew about. Again she filed for divorce years later with rumors of more infidelities. By all accounts he was a tremendous father to his children. Wish he was nicer to his wife and not embarrass his kids with high profile divorce gossip and cheating. My biggest problem with all of this is the MeToo movement. I see the same women who brought down other high profile celebs now waxing poetic on Twitter about Kobe. He raped a 19 year old girl in a hotel. This can’t be understated. I’ve seen other men lose their career over far far less. So why do Some men burn and others don’t? Is it because Kobe was 17 years ago in the past? Prior to MeToo? I’m not sure because other people went down recently for stuff long in the past. Is it because he was too famous and beloved??? Again I’m not sure. |
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