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Post by Zingbot on Nov 25, 2019 18:58:28 GMT -5
No, it's a slow in the creative process, and or inability to think of something creative. Do you actually think people physically can't write during writers block😀. Physically they can. Mentally they can't. In terms of creative writing, at least, that's what it is. The literal inability to bring yourself to write, for whatever psychological reason. Apparently it's often caused by trauma. The point is that Noel isn't suffering from this and, really, he never has. Maybe in a severe case. I believe it happened to Noel in a sense where he couldn't write fully structured songs. |
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Post by mystoryisgory on Nov 25, 2019 19:04:23 GMT -5
Holy Mountain is the new Magic Pie - only those of us with the highest of tastes truly appreciate the utter JOY of both. mystoryisgory Except Holy Mountain is miles above Magic Pie. Yup, I just went there.  |
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Post by Henrz on Nov 26, 2019 3:35:49 GMT -5
I still think WBTM is a brilliant record.... best since the nineties
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Post by russiangenius on Nov 26, 2019 5:17:35 GMT -5
still worst Noel's solo album because of cosmic pop
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Fort Knox, Keep On Reaching (bass+keys is gorgeous shit) and It's A Beautiful World are good tunes, in 2017 I liked only DITW, TMWBTM and interludes
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Post by norkbauer on Nov 26, 2019 7:07:13 GMT -5
Great album, but it just isn't as good as the previous ones.
Fort Knox, Holy Mountain, It's a Beautiful World, Be Careful What You Wish For and The Man Who Built the Moon are the highlights for me. Dead in the Water obviously is the best song, but I can't consider it being an WBTM song. At least being part of the album was such a perfect way to release this masterpiece.
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Post by oasisunited on Nov 26, 2019 9:09:50 GMT -5
Physically they can. Mentally they can't. In terms of creative writing, at least, that's what it is. The literal inability to bring yourself to write, for whatever psychological reason. Apparently it's often caused by trauma. The point is that Noel isn't suffering from this and, really, he never has. Maybe in a severe case. I believe it happened to Noel in a sense where he couldn't write fully structured songs. is technically correct (which is the best kind of correct). The term was coined by Dr. Edmund Bergler in his 1949 book The Writer and Psychoanalysis in which he says that the block is the inability to produce any output/inability to write anything down at all. He was a disciple of Freud and considered writer's block to be a "condition" that is "one of the many manifestations of “psychic masochism” — or, “the unconscious wish to defeat one’s conscious aims, and to enjoy that self-constructed defeat.” I'm sure people have added to the term over the years, but based on the original definition, Noel does not have writer's block. |
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Post by modxxii on Nov 26, 2019 9:13:25 GMT -5
After two years people still talking about cosmic pop... It's a normal pop rock album.
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Post by World71R on Nov 26, 2019 9:30:32 GMT -5
Best solo-Gallagher album. Agreed. It's one of those albums where you kinda move on from it, minus a few songs, but then you go back to it and realize every song is pretty good to some extent. It would've been better with more songs but as it is, it's still good. |
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Post by paperbackwriter on Nov 26, 2019 9:47:44 GMT -5
The beginning of the end for Noel. Even the EPs (You mean to tell This is The Place is any good? come on...).
From this album forward, I've only liked Dead in the Water (which doesn't count, cause it sounds like good old Noel), A dream is all I need, Sail On and Rattling Rose.
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Post by Zingbot on Nov 26, 2019 10:36:43 GMT -5
After two years people still talking about cosmic pop... It's a normal pop rock album. Not really, it's very experimental. |
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Post by sfsorrow on Nov 26, 2019 13:08:53 GMT -5
Count me in with the "best since Be Here Now" crowd.
Also, for those who criticize cosmic pop, I'd be curious if they could explain their feelings on, say, the Sgt. Pepper or Magical Mystery Tour albums? Those certainly aren't traditional, straightforward rock and roll. I'd like to hear Liam's perspective on that too, maybe during one of those periods where he believes John Lennon is inhabiting his body.
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Post by modxxii on Nov 26, 2019 17:27:19 GMT -5
After two years people still talking about cosmic pop... It's a normal pop rock album. Not really, it's very experimental. It's very experimental if you listen Adele. |
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Post by Zingbot on Nov 26, 2019 17:35:38 GMT -5
Not really, it's very experimental. It's very experimental if you listen Adele. Uh.. No. I listen to Oasis and I can tell you that this is experimental. The writing and musical choices, as well as the production are all very experimental. |
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Post by underneaththesky on Nov 27, 2019 2:39:59 GMT -5
still great.
only black and white sunshine I skip sometimes
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Post by modxxii on Nov 27, 2019 3:26:53 GMT -5
It's very experimental if you listen Adele. Uh.. No. I listen to Oasis and I can tell you that this is experimental. The writing and musical choices, as well as the production are all very experimental. It's still a pop rock album and VERY melodic. The structure of the songs are canonic. Only the production is a bit different (for an Oasis album). No one Oasis related works is experimental. Xiu Xiu are experimental. Cosmic pop it's just an interview thing. |
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Post by LlAM on Nov 27, 2019 4:05:31 GMT -5
Uh.. No. I listen to Oasis and I can tell you that this is experimental. The writing and musical choices, as well as the production are all very experimental. It's still a pop rock album and VERY melodic. The structure of the songs are canonic. Only the production is a bit different (for an Oasis album). No one Oasis related works is experimental. Xiu Xiu are experimental. Cosmic pop it's just an interview thing. One could argue it's experimental for Noel/Oasis, also the way it was written, strictly in the studio. It was definitely pushing Noels boundaries in a few aspects. |
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Post by modxxii on Nov 27, 2019 4:23:54 GMT -5
It's still a pop rock album and VERY melodic. The structure of the songs are canonic. Only the production is a bit different (for an Oasis album). No one Oasis related works is experimental. Xiu Xiu are experimental. Cosmic pop it's just an interview thing. One could argue it's experimental for Noel/Oasis, also the way it was written, strictly in the studio. It was definitely pushing Noels boundaries in a few aspects. Yeah, it's a bit different for Noel/Oasis. Just a bit. The EP's are more different imo. |
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Post by sfsorrow on Nov 27, 2019 8:32:14 GMT -5
I think people place some pretty severe limitations on what constitutes "experimental." When The Beatles were making albums like Revolver and Sgt. Pepper, there was certainly more avant-garde music being made, like what John Cage was doing. Even by the time they get to Revolution #9 on The White Album, one could say that that sort of thing had already been done by other artists five years earlier. And yet at the same time, I think it makes sense that we call Revolver and Pepper experimental albums - they were trying out a lot of stuff in the studio and coming up with new sounds as a result. Was it John Cage? Of course not. But it was using the studio to make a unique sound.
By that standard, Pet Sounds, Mercury Rev's Deserter Songs, and, yes, Who Built The Moon are experimental works. Of course, you can find things that are more off-beat (and, frankly, less listenable) in their respective time, but I think it is fair to say that in all cases, you have artists who are experimenting with recording techniques as a way of creating a new sound. I'm not saying the results are all equally astounding but I think that's what they are.
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Post by matt on Nov 27, 2019 9:05:07 GMT -5
He used experimentation as a front because he couldn't write good tunes. Laziest example of writers block ever. You want the writers block!? You can’t handle the writers block!! X Whoever prefers this hunk of shit to Moon needs their head seen to. |
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 27, 2019 9:31:35 GMT -5
Said it before but "experimental" and "experimental for Noel Gallagher" are not the same thing. WBTM is undoubtedly a progression for the Chief, but it's not pushing any boundaries for music as a whole. Anyone who expected it to is awfully optimistic, mind you.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 27, 2019 9:36:08 GMT -5
Good sounds, good ideas but the songs aren’t quite there for me.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 27, 2019 10:01:13 GMT -5
Still incomplete for me, it’s missing one or two tracks - the second half is especially barren.
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Post by sfsorrow on Nov 27, 2019 10:35:03 GMT -5
Said it before but "experimental" and "experimental for Noel Gallagher" are not the same thing. WBTM is undoubtedly a progression for the Chief, but it's not pushing any boundaries for music as a whole. Anyone who expected it to is awfully optimistic, mind you. Yes but as I suggested above - did Sgt. Pepper necessarily push boundaries for music as a whole at a time when there had already been things like Pet Sounds, Frank Zappa, and John Cage? I don't think I personally align the term experimental music with "pushing boundaries for music as a whole." When a scientist does an experiment, they are not necessarily pushing the boundaries for science as a whole, though that can sometimes happen. |
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 27, 2019 11:02:48 GMT -5
Said it before but "experimental" and "experimental for Noel Gallagher" are not the same thing. WBTM is undoubtedly a progression for the Chief, but it's not pushing any boundaries for music as a whole. Anyone who expected it to is awfully optimistic, mind you. Yes but as I suggested above - did Sgt. Pepper necessarily push boundaries for music as a whole at a time when there had already been things like Pet Sounds, Frank Zappa, and John Cage? I don't think I personally align the term experimental music with "pushing boundaries for music as a whole." When a scientist does an experiment, they are not necessarily pushing the boundaries for science as a whole, though that can sometimes happen. You're not wrong. I think a lot of people think of the term "experimental" as "trying something new for music", rather than "trying something new for the artist in question". Who Built the Moon is certainly the latter, even if it's not the former. |
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Post by Headmaster on Nov 27, 2019 12:21:13 GMT -5
Great album, best Gallagher solo album imo.
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