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Post by fabulousbakers on Jan 11, 2021 17:18:41 GMT -5
...Then again, we could be here all day debating about what songs should have gone on White Album instead... ...Album needed a full throated Lennon vocal too so Revolution - single version - should have made it instead of the acoustic doo wop version. I think EVERYBODY'S GOT SOMETHING TO HIDE EXCEPT ME AND MY MONKEY and YER BLUES count as "full throated Lennon vocals". |
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Post by matt on Jan 11, 2021 17:29:57 GMT -5
...Then again, we could be here all day debating about what songs should have gone on White Album instead... ...Album needed a full throated Lennon vocal too so Revolution - single version - should have made it instead of the acoustic doo wop version. I think EVERYBODY'S GOT SOMETHING TO HIDE EXCEPT ME AND MY MONKEY and YER BLUES count as "full throated Lennon vocals". True, I'm thinking more along the rawness of Helter Skelter. Revolution is the perfect White Album kind of track and it's a shame it's not on there. Still waiting for a modern day stereo version of it. |
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Post by MacaRonic on Jan 12, 2021 5:40:14 GMT -5
I think EVERYBODY'S GOT SOMETHING TO HIDE EXCEPT ME AND MY MONKEY and YER BLUES count as "full throated Lennon vocals". True, I'm thinking more along the rawness of Helter Skelter. Revolution is the perfect White Album kind of track and it's a shame it's not on there. Still waiting for a modern day stereo version of it. There’s a nice remix of ‘Revolution’ available on ‘Love’, the CD version is shortened but the full length version is available on iTunes. |
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Post by underneaththesky on Jan 13, 2021 1:03:46 GMT -5
1. Back In The USSR
2. Glass Onion
3. While My Guitar Gently Weeps
4. Revolution
5. Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da
6. Happiness Is A Warm Gun
7. Don't Pass Me By
8. I'm So Tired
9. Savoy Truffle
10. Helter Skelter
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Post by oasisserbia on Jan 13, 2021 3:37:30 GMT -5
I used to hate Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da but now I accepted it as fun, ska song and it's great.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 13, 2021 21:50:15 GMT -5
Are these guys any good?
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Post by underneaththesky on Jan 14, 2021 1:10:21 GMT -5
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Post by oasisserbia on Jan 14, 2021 7:38:06 GMT -5
I dont know if it always like this, I got a feeling that it wasn't, and it seems that these two songs get more and more respect as time goes by.  |
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Post by matt on Jan 16, 2021 13:45:01 GMT -5
Was listening to A Day In The Life for the billionth time and the performance and artistry from them is incredible. Piecing together two completely different songs, Lennon's ethereal vocals and dreamy sections and Macca's grounded to reality middle 8, the orchestration from George Martin and McCartney, and Ringo's best drumming in my opinion.
And I've only come to realise how absent George is on the recording. On what is probably the greatest Beatles song, his presence is nowhere, unless you count the maracas he plays. Every other band member has their big part apart from him. He's not very present on the album as a whole but with this song, it's almost shocking how he really wasn't needed at all.
P.S. Fun fact - the Apple Mac startup sound is based on the final chord from the song. Another mad fact that has gone by my head all these year.
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Post by oasisserbia on Jan 17, 2021 11:58:52 GMT -5
I don't think so but ok :-) It's just chord, not even the same one xD
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Post by oasisserbia on Jan 17, 2021 12:02:23 GMT -5
Ok, you are right xD
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jan 22, 2021 13:06:04 GMT -5
I enjoyed the first Hobbit film more than any Lord of the Rings ones. Don't really remember the second and didn't see the third. For what it's worth, I also think the book of The Hobbit is much better than Fellowship of the Ring, which is the only LOTR novel I could stomach before admitting defeat and realising that it's just not for me. Like matt says, there's a simple whimsy to The Hobbit that makes it a lot more fun than the LOTR series, for me. I also enjoyed King Kong. Might be nostalgia but I loved it as a kid and always have fun with the replays they do show quite often on telly. Plus, the PS2 game was fucking excellent. Spent hours with that growing up. Tolkien was a wonderful world-builder and myth-maker, but not a great novelist. He knew how to construct beautiful sentences, being an expert in linguistics, but his sense of pacing and narrative tension was often lacking, and his characters were usually not much more than pencil sketches. Most of the changes Peter Jackson and his collaborators made for the films were done to give the stories some narrative consistency and the characters something more substantial than just their silly names, which is pretty much all the Dwarves in the novel of The Hobbit have. That and their different coloured hoods. As a filmmaker Peter Jackson is definitely of the mindset that more is more, as you know from his three hour King Kong remake, but it has to be said that they did have to build a lot of basic drama into the stories for the films that was missing in Tolkien's writing.
Tolkien went into The Lord of the Rings not knowing what he was going to write. He got part of the way through before becoming stuck and, instead of going back and working out where he was going wrong, started again from scratch. The next time he got a bit further then did the same. And the time after that. Eventually the thing was published well over ten years after The Hobbit, written in a completely different style, and three times as long. I think you can tell in the finished thing that there wasn't a plan, and I think it suffers for that. There are too many characters who have little or nothing to do with the plot (and, in the case of Arwen, characters who are important to the greater story who just disappear entirely from the narrative). And the incessant descriptions of the lie of the land, how many times the characters stop and make camp, the compass directions they walk in all weigh the narrative down terribly, and detract from the evergreen beauty of the tale and Tolkien's expert use of language. A more accomplished novelist would've left such things to the imaginations of readers.
I prefer The Silmarillion, which is the most notable of his posthumous publications, to The Lord of the Rings, and about on a par with The Hobbit. (Most of his Middle-earth writings were left unfinished when he died; consequently, his son Christopher ended up spending most of his adult life wading through his father's notes, trying to edit them into something publishable). The Silmarillion is written in the same high and mighty style as The Lord of the Rings, but it resembles more a story outline--or many story outlines--than a novel. In this way it plays to his strengths: myth-making and world-building, without the need to sustain a narrative in a novel form. It does lapse into tedium, but it's never as sustained as in Lord of the Rings. (You were lucky. If you thought Fellowship was a struggle, Two Towers is twice as hard. When I read it last year I kept thinking "How did they manage to make a good movie out of this?") |
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Post by garylineker on Jan 22, 2021 23:52:18 GMT -5
What are some popular Beatles songs that you don't like? I mean, don't like is maybe strong wrong but I don't enjoy listening to them as some people do. And find something, in most cases, cheesy about them A Hard Day’s Night Blackbird Can’t Buy Me Love Eleanor Rigby Lady Madonna As much as i love them, there's some absolute shit on some albums that proves there is a very fine line between stupidity and genius. |
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Post by underneaththesky on Jan 22, 2021 23:59:06 GMT -5
What are some popular Beatles songs that you don't like? I mean, don't like is maybe strong wrong but I don't enjoy listening to them as some people do. And find something, in most cases, cheesy about them A Hard Day’s Night Blackbird Can’t Buy Me Love Eleanor Rigby Lady Madonna As much as i love them, there's some absolute shit on some albums that proves there is a very fine line between stupidity and genius.  |
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Post by walterglass on Jan 23, 2021 9:38:53 GMT -5
What are some popular Beatles songs that you don't like? I mean, don't like is maybe strong wrong but I don't enjoy listening to them as some people do. And find something, in most cases, cheesy about them A Hard Day’s Night Blackbird Can’t Buy Me Love Eleanor Rigby Lady Madonna As much as i love them, there's some absolute shit on some albums that proves there is a very fine line between stupidity and genius. I agree. Their highs are HIGH and their lows are stinking. |
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Post by yeayeayeah on Jan 24, 2021 3:21:47 GMT -5
As much as i love them, there's some absolute shit on some albums that proves there is a very fine line between stupidity and genius. I agree. Their highs are HIGH and their lows are stinking. Like what? |
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Post by walterglass on Jan 24, 2021 10:55:47 GMT -5
I agree. Their highs are HIGH and their lows are stinking. Like what? Piggies, Polythene Pam, All Together Now. Lots of rubbish. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Jan 24, 2021 11:47:30 GMT -5
They wrote and recorded 188 songs in like 7 years. Plus covers. Ofc that some of them are shit.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jan 24, 2021 12:19:03 GMT -5
Piggies, Polythene Pam, All Together Now. Lots of rubbish. I like each of those. John, Paul, and George were such good singers that it didn't matter much if some of their material was weak. They could make it come alive somehow. |
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Post by walterglass on Jan 24, 2021 13:11:54 GMT -5
Looks a lot like we’re all largely in agreement then.
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Post by yeayeayeah on Jan 25, 2021 0:25:15 GMT -5
Piggies, Polythene Pam, All Together Now. Lots of rubbish. I like Piggies. Polythene Pam works as part of a medley and ATN is just a throwaway track. There's a few tracks I'm not keen on but overall I find them very consistent in terms of quality. |
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Post by matt on Jan 25, 2021 4:33:28 GMT -5
All Together Now's a great little ditty. It's a kids song that the little ones love. Shows the pan-generational appeal of The Beatles - no other act in the world could come close to that widespread appeal. That's what true genius is.
P.S. Polythene Pam is great too, great power chords there. Having a laugh doesn't mean it's shit - it just shows the band aren't self-indulgent and pretentious. Totally sincere to their personalities too!
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Post by walterglass on Jan 25, 2021 11:24:07 GMT -5
Hey, if that’s your thing...
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Post by My Big Name on Feb 3, 2021 18:04:18 GMT -5
I think if this thread says anything it's that a lot of people are willing to go to great lengths to find merit in the worst of songs just because they're made by the Beatles. I think they're the greatest band of all time but people overlook the fact that they made as much shit as a lot of bands they're seen as far superior to. The universal praise for the white album is an example of this, for an album that is made up of at least 30% shite it's almost comical that it's seen as one of the best of all time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2021 1:17:15 GMT -5
I think if this thread says anything it's that a lot of people are willing to go to great lengths to find merit in the worst of songs just because they're made by the Beatles. I think they're the greatest band of all time but people overlook the fact that they made as much shit as a lot of bands they're seen as far superior to. The universal praise for the white album is an example of this, for an album that is made up of at least 30% shite it's almost comical that it's seen as one of the best of all time. That's an interesting post. I do agree that for some hardcore Beatles fans, the band could never do any thing wrong. Yeah, same could probably be said about every hardcore fan from any band, but with The Beatles being always seen as the best act of all the time, it's harder to stay objective. However, I think "The White Album" is not only important for the quality of the songs, but for its impact in pop music history. It was one of the first "real" double album, in a way that it should be seen as a long trip with a beginning, a middle, an end, in which every song is tied with one another, not like a collection of inividual songs. Also the best songs on the album are just phenomenal. And even though there are weaker stuff, I wouldn't call 30% of the album shite. There are about 5-6* weak songs on it (and the funny thing is that everyone will have its different list  ) but a lot of the tracks just seem pale in comparison to amazing stuff there is on the album, but they have their quality. So even though it's not my favourite album of all the time, neither my favourite Beatles album, I think its influence on pop music is so huge that I can understand why it's seen as one of the greatest albums (even though I'm not a fan of all these "greatest" lists). *My list: Revolution 9, Wild Honey Pie, Honey Pie, Good Night, The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill and Don't Pass Me By |
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