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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Dec 18, 2020 10:02:29 GMT -5
Can’t believe Macca’s still campaigning for the songwriting credits on ‘Yesterday’ and tunes like that to be changed to McCartney/Lennon. Such a pointless thing for him to get exercised about. Lennon/McCartney simply trips off the tongue better than McCartney/Lennon. The sound of those names in that order has entered into the public consciousness, like Powell and Pressburger or Goffin and King.
Don’t worry, Paul. We know how great you are.
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Post by janedoe on Dec 21, 2020 3:18:10 GMT -5
This will be epic.
The Gallaghers will be demanding the full 50 or so hours.
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Post by andymorris on Dec 21, 2020 3:18:30 GMT -5
I really can’t get into old Macca. I tried McCartney 3 with hopes but nope.
I stopped at chaos and creation in the backyard and have not enjoyed one of his albums since. His voice sound too old.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Dec 21, 2020 8:18:58 GMT -5
This will be epic. The Gallaghers will be demanding the full 50 or so hours. Oh wow. This is exciting. Thank you, Peter Jackson and your team! That certainly did put a smile on my face. Love that shot of John and Ringo walking out with arms round each other. As an aside, why do men—and I’m just as guilty of this as anyone—dress so blandly now? There’s not a shot of John, Paul, George, or Ringo in the video above where they don’t look absolutely fantastic. Different colours, textures, patterns... sigh |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Dec 21, 2020 16:48:36 GMT -5
I really can’t get into old Macca. I tried McCartney 3 with hopes but nope. I stopped at chaos and creation in the backyard and have not enjoyed one of his albums since. His voice sound too old. Well, his voice is never going to be 20 (or even 50) again, but still find it inspiring he's this creative (and motivated) at 78. His best album in quite a few years for me. Which is not to say it is one of his very best, but it's really in the spirit of the times. Did you try "Winter Bird?" His voice sounds young(ish) on that one. It's very Ram, though, so your mileage may vary depending on your taste. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Dec 21, 2020 18:05:58 GMT -5
I love Peter and appreciate his work but just give us those 56 hours it would be better than movie, no matter how it is :-)
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Dec 21, 2020 21:26:39 GMT -5
Nah. 56 hours of raw footage would be boring, even footage of the best band of all time (or the "One Band to rule them all" as we should probably call them now—credit to the YouTubers from whom I stole that).
There is pleasure to be had in watching good editing. And Peter Jackson knows how to cut a film together. Presumably there were several cameras on them at any one time capturing coverage, as Peter would filming actors for a feature film. Well then you need to pick which shots to use when. Peter has said the reels contain moments of real 'drama': and, just like in a feature film, that drama might be emphasised—or indeed made to fall flat—by how these moments are presented, whose reaction we see and for how long, when we go to close up, etc.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Dec 21, 2020 22:02:18 GMT -5
Nah. 56 hours of raw footage would be boring, even footage of the best band of all time (or the "One Band to rule them all" as we should probably call them now--credit to the YouTubers from whom I stole that).
There is pleasure to be had in watching good editing. And Peter Jackson know how to cut a film together. Presumably there were several cameras on them at any one time capturing coverage, as Peter would filming actors for a feature film. Well then you need to pick which shots to use when. Peter has said the reels contain moments of real 'drama': and, just like in a feature film, that drama might be emphasised--or indeed made to fall flat--by how these moments are presented, whose reaction we see and for how long, when we go to close up, etc.
So true. Don't think people realize how dull hours and hours of raw footage is to watch ... mostly dross and stuff no one needs to see. The vast majority of people will prefer a movie. Also anyone who wants the raw footage should aim their requests at Michael Lindsay-Hogg who owns it, not Peter Jackson, to whom he lent the access (almost certainly because he thought Peter would be able to create a cool and relevant narrative from it.) |
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Post by yeayeayeah on Dec 21, 2020 22:11:20 GMT -5
Can't wait got the Get Back movie. It looks amazing.
I'm really liking MC3. It's a solid bunch of slightly unusual songs with Woman and Wives and Sliding being my favourite. I would love an album of these darker style tracks and less poppy stuff like Seize the Day. Pretty Boys and Lavatory Lil are the weakest for me.
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Post by oasisserbia on Dec 22, 2020 2:10:55 GMT -5
I was joking, calm down :-)
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Post by janedoe on Dec 22, 2020 2:23:53 GMT -5
This will be epic. The Gallaghers will be demanding the full 50 or so hours. Oh wow. This is exciting. Thank you, Peter Jackson and your team! That certainly did put a smile on my face. Love that shot of John and Ringo walking out with arms round each other. As an aside, why do men—and I’m just as guilty of this as anyone—dress so blandly now? There’s not a shot of John, Paul, George, or Ringo in the video above where they don’t look absolutely fantastic. Different colours, textures, patterns... sigh Their outfits would work today. I'm liking JL's green under black look. That's me sorted for summer and people who know will know  |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Dec 22, 2020 4:35:37 GMT -5
Oh wow. This is exciting. Thank you, Peter Jackson and your team! That certainly did put a smile on my face. Love that shot of John and Ringo walking out with arms round each other. As an aside, why do men—and I’m just as guilty of this as anyone—dress so blandly now? There’s not a shot of John, Paul, George, or Ringo in the video above where they don’t look absolutely fantastic. Different colours, textures, patterns... sigh Their outfits would work today. I'm liking JL's green under black look. That's me sorted for summer and people who know will know I agree. That looks great. It helps that he was so slim (maybe too slim—but then that’s heroin for you); and he did rock shoulder length hair as well as any man, as well as Kurt Cobain even. I also love that purple shirt with rainbow coloured stripes. |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 22, 2020 4:41:34 GMT -5
I really can’t get into old Macca. I tried McCartney 3 with hopes but nope. I stopped at chaos and creation in the backyard and have not enjoyed one of his albums since. His voice sound too old. Well, his voice is never going to be 20 (or even 50) again, but still find it inspiring he's this creative (and motivated) at 78. His best album in quite a few years for me. Which is not to say it is one of his very best, but it's really in the spirit of the times. Did you try "Winter Bird?" His voice sounds young(ish) on that one. It's very Ram, though, so your mileage may vary depending on your taste. I’ll try this one thanx Yeah his voice obviously is never coming back but some other singers’ voice are growing old well, or their voice suits their age. Macca had a very powerful and young voice well into his 50 / 60s but since 2006 it doesn’t really do anything for me. I hear a lot of sadness in his voice which wasn’t the case before. I don’t know why it doesn’t click anymore. |
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Post by 2nz on Dec 22, 2020 4:43:16 GMT -5
This will be epic. The Gallaghers will be demanding the full 50 or so hours. Oh wow. This is exciting. Thank you, Peter Jackson and your team! That certainly did put a smile on my face. Love that shot of John and Ringo walking out with arms round each other. As an aside, why do men—and I’m just as guilty of this as anyone—dress so blandly now? There’s not a shot of John, Paul, George, or Ringo in the video above where they don’t look absolutely fantastic. Different colours, textures, patterns... sighThis is slightly exaggerated here as they were filming these sessions-so preen like a peacock! I'm sure if it was normal recording they'd be slightly more subdued. The clip looks amazing.Usually Peter is fleshing out a story with loads of unnecessary footage, so it'll be nice seeing him cut something down from 56 hours as opposed to, say, turning the Hobbit into 9 hours. |
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Post by matt on Dec 22, 2020 5:09:30 GMT -5
The clip seems to correspond with the positive vibes that Paul and Ringo confirmed earlier this year. Not to sound like a sceptic (and I'm genuinely not being sceptical!), but with this film positively framing those events, it all seems very much like a marketing ploy, such is the trend in movies these days to give that 'feel good' factor, and also to enhance The Beatles brand around the world. A bitchy, passive aggressive documentary wouldn't do the band any favours for younger generations.
But that's in no way a criticism. That positivity is one side of the story that hasn't been told. It could be argued that far too much is focused on the negative vibes and god knows we've read about it numerous times. To shed light on the positive moments that never provoked discussion is something worth latching on to, and gives us a more complete and complex portrait of them at that time. Underneath all the tension and weariness, they are still those four young lads who grew up together in Liverpool.
So I think that affection and love endures and it's going to be great seeing that. I mean, a band that despises each other do not go on and make an epic like Abbey Road afterwards.
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Post by robg1979 on Dec 22, 2020 7:16:49 GMT -5
I really can’t get into old Macca. I tried McCartney 3 with hopes but nope. I stopped at chaos and creation in the backyard and have not enjoyed one of his albums since. His voice sound too old. Well, his voice is never going to be 20 (or even 50) again, but still find it inspiring he's this creative (and motivated) at 78. His best album in quite a few years for me. Which is not to say it is one of his very best, but it's really in the spirit of the times. Did you try "Winter Bird?" His voice sounds young(ish) on that one. It's very Ram, though, so your mileage may vary depending on your taste. Just an aside the vocals for Winter Bird were recorded in the early nineties, that's why it sounds different in comparison. Macca was only in his fifties then 😀 |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Dec 22, 2020 17:05:23 GMT -5
Well, his voice is never going to be 20 (or even 50) again, but still find it inspiring he's this creative (and motivated) at 78. His best album in quite a few years for me. Which is not to say it is one of his very best, but it's really in the spirit of the times. Did you try "Winter Bird?" His voice sounds young(ish) on that one. It's very Ram, though, so your mileage may vary depending on your taste. Just an aside the vocals for Winter Bird were recorded in the early nineties, that's why it sounds different in comparison. Macca was only in his fifties then 😀 Thanks, I did not realize those were the actual vocals recorded in the 90s ... glad to have that info! And I guess you still can't turn back time ... |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Dec 22, 2020 17:23:22 GMT -5
The clip seems to correspond with the positive vibes that Paul and Ringo confirmed earlier this year. Not to sound like a sceptic (and I'm genuinely not being sceptical!), but with this film positively framing those events, it all seems very much like a marketing ploy, such is the trend in movies these days to give that 'feel good' factor, and also to enhance The Beatles brand around the world. A bitchy, passive aggressive documentary wouldn't do the band any favours for younger generations. But that's in no way a criticism. That positivity is one side of the story that hasn't been told. It could be argued that far too much is focused on the negative vibes and god knows we've read about it numerous times. To shed light on the positive moments that never provoked discussion is something worth latching on to, and gives us a more complete and complex portrait of them at that time. Underneath all the tension and weariness, they are still those four young lads who grew up together in Liverpool. So I think that affection and love endures and it's going to be great seeing that. I mean, a band that despises each other do not go on and make an epic like Abbey Road afterwards. Think it's likely less a marketing ploy than two men approaching (or being) 80 wanting to revisit these events with a greater appreciation and fondness for what was beautiful about them. Documentaries aren't typically big money makers and this was clearly driven at the start by Jackson and Lindsay-Hogg (and then the support of Macca and Ringo) rather than marketing execs (only later did Disney get involved and yeah, for them, it is a way to sell their streaming service to a broader audience, one that doesn't watch "The Mandalorian" ... .) It's also not like they're making anything up, they're just emphasizing different real moments that occurred so I expect it will have a bit more complexity to it when the final cut is finished. Love the rest of your comments. |
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Post by matt on Dec 23, 2020 5:02:15 GMT -5
The clip seems to correspond with the positive vibes that Paul and Ringo confirmed earlier this year. Not to sound like a sceptic (and I'm genuinely not being sceptical!), but with this film positively framing those events, it all seems very much like a marketing ploy, such is the trend in movies these days to give that 'feel good' factor, and also to enhance The Beatles brand around the world. A bitchy, passive aggressive documentary wouldn't do the band any favours for younger generations. But that's in no way a criticism. That positivity is one side of the story that hasn't been told. It could be argued that far too much is focused on the negative vibes and god knows we've read about it numerous times. To shed light on the positive moments that never provoked discussion is something worth latching on to, and gives us a more complete and complex portrait of them at that time. Underneath all the tension and weariness, they are still those four young lads who grew up together in Liverpool. So I think that affection and love endures and it's going to be great seeing that. I mean, a band that despises each other do not go on and make an epic like Abbey Road afterwards. Think it's likely less a marketing ploy than two men approaching (or being) 80 wanting to revisit these events with a greater appreciation and fondness for what was beautiful about them. Documentaries aren't typically big money makers and this was clearly driven at the start by Jackson and Lindsay-Hogg (and then the support of Macca and Ringo) rather than marketing execs (only later did Disney get involved and yeah, for them, it is a way to sell their streaming service to a broader audience, one that doesn't watch "The Mandalorian" ... .) It's also not like they're making anything up, they're just emphasizing different real moments that occurred so I expect it will have a bit more complexity to it when the final cut is finished. Love the rest of your comments. Sticking to the idea of marketing and branding, this documentary is yet another example of how The Beatles and Apple Corps capture the zeitgeist by maintaining 'brand Beatles'. What I've understood in recent years is that quality music is not forever timeless and that it takes a lot of intelligent marketing strategies to preserve the idea of timelessness. Nothing better than getting Disney on board and having Jackson directing it. Queen is a notable example with the Freddie Mercury biopic, that really blasted the doors open for a lot of the younger generation who were previously unaware, to the point that Queen are an act that trends all over social media. Now as someone who is not a Queen fan, that shocks me, but that's the power of marketing that brought their music to the fore again. |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Dec 23, 2020 5:47:57 GMT -5
Sticking to the idea of marketing and branding, this documentary is yet another example of how The Beatles and Apple Corps capture the zeitgeist by maintaining 'brand Beatles'. What I've understood in recent years is that quality music is not forever timeless and that it takes a lot of intelligent marketing strategies to preserve the idea of timelessness. Nothing better than getting Disney on board and having Jackson directing it. Queen is a notable example with the Freddie Mercury biopic, that really blasted the doors open for a lot of the younger generation who were previously unaware, to the point that Queen are an act that trends all over social media. Now as someone who is not a Queen fan, that shocks me, but that's the power of marketing that brought their music to the fore again. For sure there is some smart branding that goes on for The Beatles -- the merchandising at the recent museum exhibit in the US was truly "something" to behold, haha -- and that probably does help them have a hope of staying relevant in this brave new world of balkanized musical tastes. I still think the doc is more a labor of love than to do with marketing, though. Unlike a biopic it probably doesn't have a mass movie-going audience (indeed it remains to be seen at this point if there will ever be a mass movie-going audience again post Covid!). Given Jackson's skill and the already intriguing clips, I assume it will be well-reviewed and maybe win some awards and be a bit of a feather in Disney's cap but probably not a cultural phenomenon. (With the Freddie Mercury movie you also had popular young actors going out and doing publicity for it, whereas with this you just have Peter Jackson and the two 80-ish Beatles.) That said, it will become part of the lasting Beatle legacy, and as you said above, maybe leave behind a more complete picture of that turbulent but fantastically creative period. |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Dec 23, 2020 10:12:47 GMT -5
Sticking to the idea of marketing and branding, this documentary is yet another example of how The Beatles and Apple Corps capture the zeitgeist by maintaining 'brand Beatles'. What I've understood in recent years is that quality music is not forever timeless and that it takes a lot of intelligent marketing strategies to preserve the idea of timelessness. Nothing better than getting Disney on board and having Jackson directing it. Queen is a notable example with the Freddie Mercury biopic, that really blasted the doors open for a lot of the younger generation who were previously unaware, to the point that Queen are an act that trends all over social media. Now as someone who is not a Queen fan, that shocks me, but that's the power of marketing that brought their music to the fore again. For sure there is some smart branding that goes on for The Beatles -- the merchandising at the recent museum exhibit in the US was truly "something" to behold, haha -- and that probably does help them have a hope of staying relevant in this brave new world of balkanized musical tastes. I still think the doc is more a labor of love than to do with marketing, though. Unlike a biopic it probably doesn't have a mass movie-going audience (indeed it remains to be seen at this point if there will ever be a mass movie-going audience again post Covid!). Given Jackson's skill and the already intriguing clips, I assume it will be well-reviewed and maybe win some awards and be a bit of a feather in Disney's cap but probably not a cultural phenomenon. (With the Freddie Mercury movie you also had popular young actors going out and doing publicity for it, whereas with this you just have Peter Jackson and the two 80-ish Beatles.) That said, it will become part of the lasting Beatle legacy, and as you said above, maybe leave behind a more complete picture of that turbulent but fantastically creative period. I think you and Matt are both right. I think Apple Corps, such as it is now, does a great job of protecting the Beatles brand, of making this pop group from six decades ago not seem old hat. I remember going to a screening of the 4K restoration of Yellow Submarine at an arthouse cinema two years ago, and being given along with my ticket a sea blue coloured envelope inside which there was a note from the director and a word from Paul, some stickers of Blue Meanie and all that, and a selection of art prints. It was very nicely done. In ensuring there's quality Beatles product out each year, Apple Corps sustains the idea of The Beatles as a cultural force rather than a relic, as perhaps they were seen to be in the late 70s/80s, and so attracts newcomers to their music that way. It's a more subliminal way of ingraining The Beatles in the minds of younger generations; it doesn't yield the same staggering results as a biopic might, but it might have more of an impact in the long run.
So I think this film is more of that, and as you say the intention is for good reviews. (Hopefully, by having Disney distribute it they'll also solve the issue faced by Ron Howard's Eight Days a Week doc from 2016 of having good reviews for something no one got to see—at least not at the same time. It barely saw the inside of a cinema before being dumped on the back pages of Amazon Prime with little fanfare). I assume Peter Jackson was called up on the strength of his World War One doc They Shall Not Grow Old. Certainly, much was made of that in the press release. The great success of that film was how it managed to humanise the soldiers by getting the footage looking as good as possible and editing it sympathetically. Making film magic from murky footage of people fighting... I just wonder what gave them the idea to have Peter look at the Let It Be sessions...  |
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Post by matt on Dec 25, 2020 11:43:09 GMT -5
McCartney III tops the UK albums chart, giving Macca his first number one solo record in 31 years! First festive topper for the man since Beatles '1' in 2000 (my generations awakening to The Beatles).
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Post by fabulousbakers on Dec 25, 2020 18:17:04 GMT -5
...I assume Peter Jackson was called up on the strength of his World War One doc They Shall Not Grow Old. Certainly, much was made of that in the press release. The great success of that film was how it managed to humanise the soldiers by getting the footage looking as good as possible and editing it sympathetically. Making film magic from murky footage of people fighting... I just wonder what gave them the idea to have Peter look at the Let It Be sessions... Peter Jackson was already a huge Beatles fans before even starting this project - he has a large personal collection of Beatles memorabilia bought at auctions over the years. Apple knew he was a big enough fan to have the patience to sit through all 56 hours of footage himself rather than delegate the sorting task to a team of editors who really might not have any inkling of why a particular shot, comment or sequence might appeal to a fan. He'll know (for example) that I Lost My Little Girl was the first song Paul wrote and would earmark any footage of them performing it as worthy for inclusion. A non-fan might just fast forward through that reel of film and dismiss that performance as a sloppy cover of some old song they've never heard of. He's also knowledgeable enough about Beatles history to immediately spot something that might revise (or confirm) the long established perception of these sessions as miserable. |
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Post by underneaththesky on Dec 26, 2020 0:30:36 GMT -5
a song came up on youtube today - i thought it was some low-fi r n b thing and when I looked up it was Macca from his new album. legend
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 26, 2020 0:41:47 GMT -5
I hope this documentary is good. We shall see. The Beatles have been extremely exploited and mined for gold over the last 60 years. Can’t imagine there is much left in the tank. If this unused footage was that good it should probably have made the first Let It Be documentary or The Beatles anthology (a project built on that sort of stuff). What was shown looks good even though this is a band breaking up, growing apart and generally unhappy times from all those involved from John, Paul, George, Ringo, Mal, Neil, George Martin, etc.
It’s amazing how much Peter Jackson’s stock has fallen since the last Lord of The Rings film. He’s a punchline to so many bad CGI jokes, bad storytelling and weird ass projects. He’s like a modern day George Lucas.
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