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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Jun 2, 2022 15:46:35 GMT -5
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jun 2, 2022 15:51:58 GMT -5
This is interesting, because I feel the opposite with this album. I feel that Liam is definitely more connected to the songs, even the ones written primarily by the songwriters (with maybe EE being the exception) He’s definitely more connected to this than the songs on WMWN anyway. A lot of the lyrics sound like they would come from him, and even his personality shines through on some of the songs, such as I’m Free. Funny how different each one reacts to the same music. I don't know, in my head I can figure a bunch of professional writers saying "let's make him do an Artic Monkeys", or "let's make him sing a bit of reggae"... But is Liam really into AM or reggae, or he is just singing what he is told? He's definitely into reggae. Not convinced anyone can make Liam sing something! (But that doesn't mean it emotionally connects for you, which I think is more of what you're getting at.) |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 2, 2022 16:11:00 GMT -5
My deluxe arrived today. Thank the heavens as prior orders from Liam’s store took ages and ages.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2022 16:21:18 GMT -5
Funny how different each one reacts to the same music. I don't know, in my head I can figure a bunch of professional writers saying "let's make him do an Artic Monkeys", or "let's make him sing a bit of reggae"... But is Liam really into AM or reggae, or he is just singing what he is told? When Liam drunk tweets songs it's often reggae. |
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Post by LightsOffInside on Jun 2, 2022 16:30:48 GMT -5
Hahahaha WBTM vetter than CMYK? Hahaha You have the worst taste in music on the planet... haha just keep those silly opinions to yourself. He's right. Dig Out Your Soul having the same score as Be Here Now, on the other hand... All three of you are wrong because music is subjective, there is no right or wrong. There’s also no good or bad opinions, it’s just what people enjoy. Sadly, some people hold their opinions in such high regard they can’t comprehend the idea that others might think different… |
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Post by PepsiNebula on Jun 2, 2022 19:17:06 GMT -5
Funny how different each one reacts to the same music. I don't know, in my head I can figure a bunch of professional writers saying "let's make him do an Artic Monkeys", or "let's make him sing a bit of reggae"... But is Liam really into AM or reggae, or he is just singing what he is told? He's definitely into reggae. Not convinced anyone can make Liam sing something! (But that doesn't mean it emotionally connects for you, which I think is more of what you're getting at.) For real!
I wonder if maybe people feel Liam is disconnected from the music because the genre of music is disconnected from how they see him, but just because Liam has his main type of music that he feels at home in doesn't mean he might not want to experiment a bit. For example, he commented in an interview that under normal circumstances he would never have gone near something like Moscow Rules, but he's been talking it up for months, and it's clearly something he enjoyed doing and is happy with.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2022 19:18:01 GMT -5
He's right. Dig Out Your Soul having the same score as Be Here Now, on the other hand... All three of you are wrong because music is subjective, there is no right or wrong. There’s also no good or bad opinions, it’s just what people enjoy. Sadly, some people hold their opinions in such high regard they can’t comprehend the idea that others might think different… exactly, well said. |
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Post by underneaththesky on Jun 2, 2022 20:21:42 GMT -5
what about that first verse on C'mon You Knpw, Liam is on, why are some people talking about quality control, where and what the kfuc are you standing forrrrrr?
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Post by mkoasis on Jun 2, 2022 20:25:05 GMT -5
Thanks for that. Is it a Japanese bonus track or promo only or something? |
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Post by underneaththesky on Jun 2, 2022 20:25:44 GMT -5
current playlist
1. More Power
2. Diamond In The Dark
3. I'm Free
4. C'mon You Know
5. Moscow Rules
6. Better Days
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Post by mkoasis on Jun 2, 2022 20:30:16 GMT -5
As for the album: Right from the start of the opener “more power”, it felt great. It’s such an unusual opener, kicking off with a children’s choir vocal. But it soon felt right into place as a Rolling Stones move and set the album up as a great mix of Liam’s favoured 1966-69 sound and more modern slick production. I liked “diamond in the dark” even more. It’s got a sharp, funky feel with forefront bass and a terrific Liam vocal. “Don’t go halfway” followed the vibe nicely from there with a grinding instrumental groove. The title track is okay, sounds like a BE outtake. Not a bad tune but not great either. It sounds like an inferior version of “flick of the finger” but without almost everything great about that song. “Too good for giving up” and “it was not meant to be” both hit home in a very current sense. I really like both. “Everything’s electric” starts off the second half and is I think the best tune on the album still. That “I don’t hate you but I despise that feeling/there’s nothing left for me here/you won’t know if you don’t go” bit still hits me hard. The following tracks though, “worlds in need” fell flat. I actually quite dislike it. Almost everything that could be poor about “worlds in need” was poor, just sounding like a DGSS castoff. “Moscow rules” was okay. Not one I liked a lot but had at least redeeming features and sounds like it fits on the album. “I’m free” is stunning and feels like a roundhouse kick to the face that’s part Underworld, part Death in Vegas, but all Liam. The song makes terrific use of his unique vocals and drops in and out of reggae bits that remind me of The Clash. Following that, “better days” rings loud and proud, fitting well as an anthemic penultimate track. “Oh sweet children” is decent, but the two bonus tracks “joker” and “the wave” really ought to have replaced “worlds in need” and “come on you know” because they are well produced, well paced, proper songs that capture best what this album does. Overall, I’m very happy with the new album. It’s a great bunch of songs, a coherent feel, more adventurous, and an improved follow up from WMWN’s shortcomings. I still can’t figure out how “worlds in need” got on there! At least it sounds better live, as on the BBC Jools Holland performance. Short version: Best tracks: Everything’s Electric Diamond in the Dark I’m Free Better days It was not meant to be (yes I love it) Can’t stand: Words in Need Everything else is great! Well, I absolutely love Worlds In Need and it's one of my favourites. I’m really glad so many people like it actually. I’d feel quite sad if there was a song that was just universally hated, especially if it was one of the self-penned ones. I still can’t enjoy the song. But I’m happy loads of you do. |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jun 2, 2022 23:25:39 GMT -5
He's definitely into reggae. Not convinced anyone can make Liam sing something! (But that doesn't mean it emotionally connects for you, which I think is more of what you're getting at.) For real!
I wonder if maybe people feel Liam is disconnected from the music because the genre of music is disconnected from how they see him, but just because Liam has his main type of music that he feels at home in doesn't mean he might not want to experiment a bit. For example, he commented in an interview that under normal circumstances he would never have gone near something like Moscow Rules, but he's been talking it up for months, and it's clearly something he enjoyed doing and is happy with.
I think the best insight I read so far, including among pro critics, is the one from tomlivesforever, that the album can be viewed as a tug-of-war between Liam and Wyatt. That actually opened my experience more (thanks, Tom!) to listen to some of the songs as Liam practically dragging the rock and roll attitude (as well as his influences) into these other genres (none of which is what I would call experimental at all but they’re just not Liam’s normal zone).
So yeah, I do think there’s something to the songs being outside expectations.
But the connection thing … it's a bit mysterious, isn't it? I tend to think you feel that the singer is connected to the song if YOU feel something from it. And in rock/pop music that feeling usually comes partly from lyrics (unless you’re talking electronica where the ambiance itself sparks emotion). A few of the songs on CYK are lyrically emotional or topical or related to Liam’s life but some are quite a bit more lyrically abstract than most songs on AYW and WMWN (with a few exceptions) and yes, than Oasis. So that might also be part of what goes into feeling there’s less of a connection.
Or maybe it's just the way it's recorded--it's very dry which seems to be the modern taste but doesn't have the warmth of classical rock and roll records. But of course this is all just idle conjecture (while procrastinating  ) ... not sure we can ever really understand what makes people feel one way or another about a song. I suppose if we could put our finger on it, it would take away some of the perfect magic ... |
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Post by vespa on Jun 2, 2022 23:56:07 GMT -5
Arctic monkeys are debatable songwriters in there own right , a lot of rumours surround them when it comes to songwriting and help… Liam wouldn’t sing songs he didn’t want and this album is a Liam album wrote by him and produced by others , can tell a mild off This is interesting, because I feel the opposite with this album. I feel that Liam is definitely more connected to the songs, even the ones written primarily by the songwriters (with maybe EE being the exception) He’s definitely more connected to this than the songs on WMWN anyway. A lot of the lyrics sound like they would come from him, and even his personality shines through on some of the songs, such as I’m Free. Funny how different each one reacts to the same music. I don't know, in my head I can figure a bunch of professional writers saying "let's make him do an Artic Monkeys", or "let's make him sing a bit of reggae"... But is Liam really into AM or reggae, or he is just singing what he is told? |
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Post by andymorris on Jun 3, 2022 1:44:39 GMT -5
Arctic monkeys are debatable songwriters in there own right , a lot of rumours surround them when it comes to songwriting and help… Liam wouldn’t sing songs he didn’t want and this album is a Liam album wrote by him and produced by others , can tell a mild off Funny how different each one reacts to the same music. I don't know, in my head I can figure a bunch of professional writers saying "let's make him do an Artic Monkeys", or "let's make him sing a bit of reggae"... But is Liam really into AM or reggae, or he is just singing what he is told? Care to elaborate about the monkeys ? I'd disagree about the "Liam wouldn’t sing songs he didn’t want". EE was clearly a last minute addition and Liam didnt seem too pleased. |
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Post by Rivers on Jun 3, 2022 2:30:27 GMT -5
Funny how different each one reacts to the same music. I don't know, in my head I can figure a bunch of professional writers saying "let's make him do an Artic Monkeys", or "let's make him sing a bit of reggae"... But is Liam really into AM or reggae, or he is just singing what he is told? He's definitely into reggae. Not convinced anyone can make Liam sing something! (But that doesn't mean it emotionally connects for you, which I think is more of what you're getting at.) Good point, you're probably right it's more my problem for not connecting with it |
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Post by rockrevival on Jun 3, 2022 2:56:33 GMT -5
Seeing how they tuned down "Roll it Over" and he nailed it I'm sure he'd nail "Don't Go Away" as well. Wonder why he hasn't played it yet.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jun 3, 2022 3:07:57 GMT -5
He's definitely into reggae. Not convinced anyone can make Liam sing something! (But that doesn't mean it emotionally connects for you, which I think is more of what you're getting at.) Good point, you're probably right it's more my problem for not connecting with it
Oh, really didn't mean to say that it's your problem. There's no flaw in feeling something is disconnected. You feel what you feel. And you're not the only person I've seen say the same thing, so it's not just you. I was only trying to say that I think it's probably more that the emotions aren't hitting rather than Liam being forced to sing songs (very hard to imagine how that scenario goes down with Wyatt, hahaha.)
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jun 3, 2022 3:08:43 GMT -5
Arctic monkeys are debatable songwriters in there own right , a lot of rumours surround them when it comes to songwriting and help… Liam wouldn’t sing songs he didn’t want and this album is a Liam album wrote by him and produced by others , can tell a mild off Care to elaborate about the monkeys ? I'd disagree about the "Liam wouldn’t sing songs he didn’t want". EE was clearly a last minute addition and Liam didnt seem too pleased. Where was it he didn’t seem to pleased? |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jun 3, 2022 3:09:48 GMT -5
Arctic monkeys are debatable songwriters in there own right , a lot of rumours surround them when it comes to songwriting and help… Liam wouldn’t sing songs he didn’t want and this album is a Liam album wrote by him and produced by others , can tell a mild off Care to elaborate about the monkeys ? I'd disagree about the "Liam wouldn’t sing songs he didn’t want". EE was clearly a last minute addition and Liam didnt seem too pleased.
Oh sure, he hates EE so much he's performed it live on television twice and it's at the center of his live show.
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Post by chamu on Jun 3, 2022 3:29:26 GMT -5
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Post by chamu on Jun 3, 2022 3:42:51 GMT -5
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Jun 3, 2022 3:54:39 GMT -5
Could someone create a table here with all COYK ranking results in Europe, America etc? Thank you so much
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Post by Rivers on Jun 3, 2022 4:18:57 GMT -5
Good point, you're probably right it's more my problem for not connecting with it Oh, really didn't mean to say that it's your problem. There's no flaw in feeling something is disconnected. You feel what you feel. And you're not the only person I've seen say the same thing, so it's not just you. I was only trying to say that I think it's probably more that the emotions aren't hitting rather than Liam being forced to sing songs (very hard to imagine how that scenario goes down with Wyatt, hahaha.)
No worries, I see your point and I meant problem in the context of enjoying more a Liam album, that is what I'd like to do. And I agree, that Liam/Wyatt dynamic will certainly deserve a proper Amazon series. |
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Post by Supersonic on Jun 3, 2022 4:26:47 GMT -5
Album 4 end of 2024 then? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2022 4:45:02 GMT -5
What are the odds of seeing another (live) Etihad or Knebworth album in the future?
Of course only audio, DVDs suck apparently.
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) ... not sure we can ever really understand what makes people feel one way or another about a song. I suppose if we could put our finger on it, it would take away some of the perfect magic ... 
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