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Post by uboasis on Sept 2, 2019 14:12:37 GMT -5
Looking back, I think it would have been quite bold if Oasis had released Falling Down AA Mix as a 22 minute track as the last or next to last track to Dig Out Your Soul (it could have replaced Falling Down proper, Aint Got Nothing, Nature of Reality, and maybe Get off Your High Horse Lady). I know they didn't know they were going to break up but it would have made for a great coda to Oasis' Discography and actually been a great evolution from Definitely Maybe. In particular the beautiful part from 10:53 -13:04 in the video which to me sounds like Oasis' funeral in a good way. Do you think we as oasis fans in 2008 could have handled an 8 track album including this 22 minute masterpiece?
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Post by matt on Sept 2, 2019 14:30:15 GMT -5
It’s cool and I remember this place going nuts for it when it was released, but the entire album would need to be incredibly psyched up to make it flow. Maybe it could be shorter too.
For all it’s talk that it’s ‘psychedelic’ and ‘groove based’, it’s not really an interesting sonic experiment that album. Very sludgy sounding and bland. The only songs I really like sound wise is Shock of the Lightning and Soldier On. The latter is very hypnotic with the mellotron (I think?) and that weird whooshing sound at the end. A proper producer could have had a lot of fun with that tune and really taken it to its limits and made it epic. I think it’s one of Liam’s best songs, but with a real producer on hand it could have been Liam’s masterpiece.
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Post by beentherenow on Sept 2, 2019 14:38:30 GMT -5
Weirdly I actually suggested this a few years back in one of the many dozen alternative tracklisting threads we’ve had on here,
It would have worked in a similar way to Pink Floyd’s Meddle Obviously works better in the Vinyl era but the below certainly would have been a bold move.
Unfortunately Oasis weren’t known for bold moves
Side A Bag It Up The Turning Waiting for the Rapture The Shock of the Lightning I’m Outta Time
Side B Falling Down (AA remix)
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Post by shamumaybard on Sept 2, 2019 14:46:18 GMT -5
It's an interesting idea although I don't think people would have appreciated the reduction in track numbers, regardless if they knew the second half was of lesser quality.
Imo the ending of The Turning would have been perfect to be the end of the album.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 2, 2019 14:49:12 GMT -5
Maybe as a hidden track (would beat the fuck out of the cage), but otherwise nah way too long, and too far out there. Not for me.
EDIT: Just read it again and realized this change would eliminate TNOR, AGN, SO, etc. in that case, I agree that it’s a very interesting idea. I’m personally unsure, but it’s nice to read something new on here! Cool idea at the very least.
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Post by Teotihuacan on Sept 2, 2019 15:35:42 GMT -5
For a while in 2008 when the Chemical Brothers remix / reimagining of Falling Down was released as the first studio track from the DOYS era publicity campaign (before Shock of the lightning if I remember rightly) I think most of us were all blown away that this was what the album might sound like - it would have been easily the most experimental departure under the Oasis banner, the dance-rock big beat hybrid Noel frequently hinted at (in assigning death in vegas as previous producers etc). Of course for good or bad DOYS turned out not be that far out in any way shape or form.
An absolute banger though to be sure.
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Post by Teotihuacan on Sept 2, 2019 15:46:52 GMT -5
By the way that instrument at the end of Soldier On was a melodica, discovered this class vid from random youtubing
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 2, 2019 16:11:42 GMT -5
For a while in 2008 when the Chemical Brothers remix / reimagining of Falling Down was released as the first studio track from the DOYS era publicity campaign (before Shock of the lightning if I remember rightly) I think most of us were all blown away that this was what the album might sound like - it would have been easily the most experimental departure under the Oasis banner, the dance-rock big beat hybrid Noel frequently hinted at (in assigning death in vegas as previous producers etc). Of course for good or bad DOYS turned out not be that far out in any way shape or form. An absolute banger though to be sure. This. I was actually disappointed with the album version after hearing the depth and clarity of that Chemical Brothers Remix. FD has grown on me over the years - never was a bad song, just the remix (especially the piano part) had my expectations too high.
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Post by Jessica on Sept 2, 2019 16:22:58 GMT -5
AA themselves have the last 4:16 of it on their album, so they probably would have brought it down to a little more than 18 minutes at most.
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Post by Headmaster on Sept 2, 2019 16:23:24 GMT -5
It's more an AA sound than a Noel sound.
It's a remix first and foremost, so it has its liberties, it's too trippy for Noel tastes and also very different from the Oasis trademark sound, it would trasform Oasis into another thing entirely, they wouldn't know how to sing and play it live, if that is possible.
I was very open for Oasis to be more experimental, but that is waaaayyy too out there, maybe only Pink Floyd could get on with that, people wouldn't digest it very well, a very subjective form of sound and all over the place, too pretentious even for the Gallaghers.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 2, 2019 17:09:43 GMT -5
It's more an AA sound than a Noel sound. It's a remix first and foremost, so it has its liberties, it's too trippy for Noel tastes and also very different from the Oasis trademark sound, it would trasform Oasis into another thing entirely, they wouldn't know how to sing and play it live, if that is possible. I was very open for Oasis to be more experimental, but that is waaaayyy too out there, maybe only Pink Floyd could get on with that, people wouldn't digest it very well, a very subjective form of sound and all over the place, too pretentious even for the Gallaghers. Agree with all of this. Also, let’s keep in mind that Noel suffers some sort PTSD around long, bloated songs since the post-mortem of 1997’s BHN, so not likely that Noel would do this. Cool idea from the OP, though.
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Post by fabulousbakers on Sept 2, 2019 18:23:16 GMT -5
It's an interesting idea although I don't think people would have appreciated the reduction in track numbers, regardless if they knew the second half was of lesser quality. There's no need to eliminate any tracks - just swap the album version of Falling Down for the AA version and it would all still comfortably fit on a single CD.
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Post by theseventwenty on Sept 3, 2019 9:18:03 GMT -5
it would trasform Oasis into another thing entirely, they wouldn't know how to sing and play it live, if that is possible. The AA did perform it live, and there was meant to be a live appearance by Noel at one of the performances - Gaz said it would basically be this version, but with Noel singing:
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Post by theseventwenty on Sept 3, 2019 9:20:59 GMT -5
A variation of the same question - what if the AA had produced DOYS instead of Dave Sardy. I would LOVE to hear an AA version of the same album - really bring out the dark psychedelic hints and grooves that the album has already but make it more colorful and sonically interesting...could have been AMAZING I think!
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 3, 2019 9:22:37 GMT -5
HARD PASS
DOYS didn't need a 22 min song. It just needed better SONGS on it. Oasis had the material but sadly it sat on the sidelines during a crucial time for the band.
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Post by oasisunited on Sept 3, 2019 10:16:53 GMT -5
What is fascinating to me about the whole AA saga is that Noel shelved it because it "wasn't right", but now, he is essentially doing very similar things with his last two sets of releases (WBTM and the two EP's): less stadium rock, more groove driven and experimental (for him) -- even including female vocalists singing lead. I could be describing the Falling Down version above as well with that statement. It makes me wonder how much of it had to do with him not yet being in a place where he felt he could break away from Oasis/the Oasis stadium rock sound and probably had more to do with him not being willing to let AA do what they wanted with the production. In that regard, you can dislike WBTM and the new stuff, but at least David Holmes got Noel to loosen up a bit and allow for other possibilities with the production and direction. Of course, that is also the source of the ongoing tribalness now between those who want Oasis and those who appreciate the different direction Noel has gone in. This is why we can't have nice things.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 3, 2019 11:24:14 GMT -5
What is fascinating to me about the whole AA saga is that Noel shelved it because it "wasn't right", but now, he is essentially doing very similar things with his last two sets of releases (WBTM and the two EP's): less stadium rock, more groove driven and experimental (for him) -- even including female vocalists singing lead. I could be describing the Falling Down version above as well with that statement. It makes me wonder how much of it had to do with him not yet being in a place where he felt he could break away from Oasis/the Oasis stadium rock sound and probably had more to do with him not being willing to let AA do what they wanted with the production. In that regard, you can dislike WBTM and the new stuff, but at least David Holmes got Noel to loosen up a bit and allow for other possibilities with the production and direction. Of course, that is also the source of the ongoing tribalness now between those who want Oasis and those who appreciate the different direction Noel has gone in. This is why we can't have nice things. Well there are lights years between what Noel and Holmes did compared to the brief stuff we heard from AA. The AA is way way looser and less traditional shape of songs. Holmes is more straight forward. Like a lot more.
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Post by oasisunited on Sept 3, 2019 11:29:39 GMT -5
What is fascinating to me about the whole AA saga is that Noel shelved it because it "wasn't right", but now, he is essentially doing very similar things with his last two sets of releases (WBTM and the two EP's): less stadium rock, more groove driven and experimental (for him) -- even including female vocalists singing lead. I could be describing the Falling Down version above as well with that statement. It makes me wonder how much of it had to do with him not yet being in a place where he felt he could break away from Oasis/the Oasis stadium rock sound and probably had more to do with him not being willing to let AA do what they wanted with the production. In that regard, you can dislike WBTM and the new stuff, but at least David Holmes got Noel to loosen up a bit and allow for other possibilities with the production and direction. Of course, that is also the source of the ongoing tribalness now between those who want Oasis and those who appreciate the different direction Noel has gone in. This is why we can't have nice things. Well there are lights years between what Noel and Holmes did compared to the brief stuff we heard from AA. The AA is way way looser and less traditional shape of songs. Holmes is more straight forward. Like a lot more. Totally. My point is not to compare the musical output of the two endeavors. It's interesting that 2011 Noel was not having any of it, especially if you believe the AA guys that it was ultimately shelved because Noel felt he was losing control over the direction of it. 2017 Noel is all about showing up to the studio with a guitar, bag of effects pedals and recording some riffs that are sent to California for some faceless bass player to record tracks on it. Basically, it seems that Holmes was able to do what AA was not able to do: get Noel to loosen up a bit and allow a producer to help pull him in some new and interesting directions.
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Post by theseventwenty on Sept 3, 2019 11:38:42 GMT -5
It makes me wonder how much of it had to do with him not yet being in a place where he felt he could break away from Oasis/the Oasis stadium rock sound and probably had more to do with him not being willing to let AA do what they wanted with the production. I would bet both of those things played a part. Noel says it was too unfocused and weird of an album, but the AA said it was mostly the tracks as they were on the version that got released but with more interesting production...apparently Noel's management were more into the 'straight' version of the album too - presumably because Oasis had been so huge and successful and an Oasis-sounding Noel solo record wasn't going to be a risky proposition
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 3, 2019 12:51:09 GMT -5
Well there are lights years between what Noel and Holmes did compared to the brief stuff we heard from AA. The AA is way way looser and less traditional shape of songs. Holmes is more straight forward. Like a lot more. Totally. My point is not to compare the musical output of the two endeavors. It's interesting that 2011 Noel was not having any of it, especially if you believe the AA guys that it was ultimately shelved because Noel felt he was losing control over the direction of it. 2017 Noel is all about showing up to the studio with a guitar, bag of effects pedals and recording some riffs that are sent to California for some faceless bass player to record tracks on it. Basically, it seems that Holmes was able to do what AA was not able to do: get Noel to loosen up a bit and allow a producer to help pull him in some new and interesting directions. Noel is a giant Pussy. I get it too. He didn’t want some weird psychedelic cosmic record launching his solo career. I think you are right that Noel prob took a backseat when Gaz and company shaped his material and for Noel in 2010 that is a major change of philosophy. He loved these guys immensely in 2008. Sorry to see it sour by 2012. I still wish he’d make it a record store release or just drop it for free via his website. Artists do that stuff all the time. A no pressure fun filled release for the fans.
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Post by theseventwenty on Sept 3, 2019 13:11:59 GMT -5
The AA album is the Oasis-related thing I'd like to hear the most, by far I know they got the multitracks for Chasing Yesterday - I would've been interested to hear their take on that too, especially Riverman.
But back to Oasis, I bet they could've made some of the less-interesting stuff on DOYS MUCH more interesting...High Horse Lady springs to mind especially
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Post by theseventwenty on Sept 3, 2019 13:13:25 GMT -5
I still wish he’d make it a record store release or just drop it for free via his website. Artists do that stuff all the time. A no pressure fun filled release for the fans.
ARE YOU LISTENING, IGNITION?
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Post by Headmaster on Sept 3, 2019 13:44:43 GMT -5
Looking back, I think it would have been quite bold if Oasis had released Falling Down AA Mix as a 22 minute track as the last or next to last track to Dig Out Your Soul (it could have replaced Falling Down proper, Aint Got Nothing, Nature of Reality, and maybe Get off Your High Horse Lady). I know they didn't know they were going to break up but it would have made for a great coda to Oasis' Discography and actually been a great evolution from Definitely Maybe. In particular the beautiful part from 10:53 -13:04 in the video which to me sounds like Oasis' funeral in a good way. Do you think we as oasis fans in 2008 could have handled an 8 track album including this 22 minute masterpiece? You're forgetting one thing: Noel only discovered AA after the DOYS release, at that point he didn't know about them.
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Post by oasisunited on Sept 3, 2019 13:55:45 GMT -5
or just drop it for free via his website This made me laugh out loud. That would be the most non-old man fist waving Noel move of all time, if he did that. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you 1000% here, but there is probably a better chance of Oasis reforming than Noel giving anything away for free, let alone over the internet (which is to say 0% chance). He is going to die on that hill.
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Post by eleysium on Sept 3, 2019 13:56:02 GMT -5
Does anyone have a Spotify playlist with all the Oasis remixes and Noel remixes?
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