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Post by uboasis on Jul 27, 2019 14:21:21 GMT -5
I'm not going to get hyperbolic and compare Liam's current material to the heights of oasis and say it is on par. I'm also not going to compare Andrew Wyatt to Noel's legendary songwriter status. I acknowledge that some don't like his production (I do). However, if you take 2000 and after, Andrew Wyatt may be the person most important person for Liam's music Career. He's probably done more positive for Liam in terms of song contribution and 'state of mind'/'confdence' than Noel has since 2000.
Obviously, Noel is the most important collaborator for Liam all time, but Andrew may be second. You could argue potentially Gem for helping Liam develop as a songwriter or Bonehead just for being a positive influence overall and jumps tarting his solo career with the demos.
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Post by LlAM on Jul 27, 2019 15:33:50 GMT -5
Once really needs a guitar solo after the "Once.... Once..." break which in turn needs to be halfed 🤔
Point being; Noel is the best quality control Liam could ever have.
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Post by GlastoEls on Jul 27, 2019 15:39:04 GMT -5
I'm not going to get hyperbolic and compare Liam's current material to the heights of oasis and say it is on par. I'm also not going to compare Andrew Wyatt to Noel's legendary songwriter status. I acknowledge that some don't like his production (I do). However, if you take 2000 and after, Andrew Wyatt may be the person most important person for Liam's music Career. He's probably done more positive for Liam in terms of song contribution and 'state of mind'/'confdence' than Noel has since 2000. Obviously, Noel is the most important collaborator for Liam all time, but Andrew may be second. You could argue potentially Gem for helping Liam develop as a songwriter or Bonehead just for being a positive influence overall and jumps tarting his solo career with the demos. Debbie 2, Andrew 3? |
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Post by garys on Jul 27, 2019 15:56:55 GMT -5
The Importance Of Andrew Wyatt<The Importance Of Being Idle
True story
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 27, 2019 16:13:00 GMT -5
Once really needs a guitar solo after the "Once.... Once..." break which in turn needs to be halfed 🤔 Point being; Noel is the best quality control Liam could ever have. I don’t think Once needs that kind of embellishment as much as I like a guitar solo. Hmmmm... Not sure that’s true, Noel’s quality control slipped badly at times, as did the quality of the songs he and the others were writing. |
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Jul 27, 2019 16:57:49 GMT -5
i think i must be one of the few if not the only person who doesnt mind the once once once bit
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Post by garys on Jul 27, 2019 17:05:31 GMT -5
i think i must be one of the few if not the only person who doesnt mind the once once once bit [br I like it as well, reminds me of Mal Evan's count on "Day In The Life" |
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Post by GlastoEls on Jul 27, 2019 17:46:17 GMT -5
i think i must be one of the few if not the only person who doesnt mind the once once once bit Nope, I’m with you. |
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Jul 27, 2019 17:47:59 GMT -5
i think i must be one of the few if not the only person who doesnt mind the once once once bit Nope, I’m with you. nice to know a not everyone hates that part
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 27, 2019 17:55:59 GMT -5
Once really needs a guitar solo after the "Once.... Once..." break which in turn needs to be halfed 🤔 Point being; Noel is the best quality control Liam could ever have. I don’t think Once needs that kind of embellishment as much as I like a guitar solo. Hmmmm... Not sure that’s true, Noel’s quality control slipped badly at times, as did the quality of the songs he and the others were writing. Oasis needed an A&R man so badly after 1997. Someone not named Noel Gallagher. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 17:57:12 GMT -5
I don’t think Once needs that kind of embellishment as much as I like a guitar solo. Hmmmm... Not sure that’s true, Noel’s quality control slipped badly at times, as did the quality of the songs he and the others were writing. Oasis needed an A&R man so badly after 1997. Someone not named Noel Gallagher. I think they needed a bigger break after Be Here Now and the respective tour, more than anything. SOTSOG had a lot of potential, but the band's mindset at the time was not what you needed to reach it. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 27, 2019 18:08:49 GMT -5
Oasis needed an A&R man so badly after 1997. Someone not named Noel Gallagher. I think they needed a bigger break after Be Here Now and the respective tour, more than anything. SOTSOG had a lot of potential, but the band's mindset at the time was not what you needed to reach it. Oh yeah. They def needed a long break and unseat themselves. A late 2001 return would have been ideal. Just as guitar bands were coming back into fashion. Just remember it was always Noel who let weaker material on albums or leaving better stuff off for b-sides which were starting to be a dying concept. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 18:14:23 GMT -5
I think they needed a bigger break after Be Here Now and the respective tour, more than anything. SOTSOG had a lot of potential, but the band's mindset at the time was not what you needed to reach it. Oh yeah. They def needed a long break and unseat themselves. A late 2001 return would have been ideal. Just as guitar bands were coming back into fashion. Just remember it was always Noel who let weaker material on albums or leaving better stuff off for b-sides which were starting to be a dying concept. The SOTSOG era is a prime example of this point, and i do agree with you on that. When stuff like Little James, Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is make the record, but tunes like Carry Us All, Full On and Let's All Make Believe do not...there's some quality control problems and questionable choices being made. A 2001 return would have likely been enough for Noel to recover mentally, from being off drugs. And maybe Oasis 2000's would have been different with it, even if, questionable calls remained post SOTSOG and lasted until DOYS. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 27, 2019 18:17:59 GMT -5
Oh yeah. They def needed a long break and unseat themselves. A late 2001 return would have been ideal. Just as guitar bands were coming back into fashion. Just remember it was always Noel who let weaker material on albums or leaving better stuff off for b-sides which were starting to be a dying concept. The SOTSOG era is a prime example of this point, and i do agree with you on that. When stuff like Little James, Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is make the record, but tunes like Carry Us All, Full On and Let's All Make Believe do not...there's some quality control problems and questionable choices being made. A 2001 return would have likely been enough for Noel to recover mentally, from being off drugs. And maybe Oasis 2000 would have been different with it. Another issue that was emerging in the post 2000 world was Liam singing less and less Noel songs. For whatever reason this kept happening. This created an issue of potentially too many Noel sung songs making the party. That shouldn't be a bad thing but in 2000 in definitely was weird. Liam is an icon. Liam is the force. Liam should be front and center. But times were starting to shift......... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 18:30:23 GMT -5
The SOTSOG era is a prime example of this point, and i do agree with you on that. When stuff like Little James, Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is make the record, but tunes like Carry Us All, Full On and Let's All Make Believe do not...there's some quality control problems and questionable choices being made. A 2001 return would have likely been enough for Noel to recover mentally, from being off drugs. And maybe Oasis 2000 would have been different with it. Another issue that was emerging in the post 2000 world was Liam singing less and less Noel songs. For whatever reason this kept happening. This created an issue of potentially too many Noel sung songs making the party. That shouldn't be a bad thing but in 2000 in definitely was weird. Liam is an icon. Liam is the force. Liam should be front and center. But times were starting to shift......... I often wonder if Liam's voice decline played a part in that and how many songs that were eventually Noel sung ones, came from troubles with Liam nailing them. Although in the SOTSOG era, that was a non-problem for most of it. Studio-wise, he sounded great, tunes like Roll It Over are examples of this but you also have the case of WDIAGW, that was first tried with a Liam vocal take, which he struggled with. But come HC, you could clearly tell the voice was going a bit off. But that record does not exactly have the best vocal treatment and takes. Noel, during Oasis, countless times said he wrote tunes, taking into consideration how high his voice could go, and sure, during the hey-day, Liam could nail them and go that high and that approach worked wonders. But come the 2000's, something had to change there, and i don't think Noel made the change that was needed in that regard, which led to more Noel sung songs due to either the fact Liam could not sing them (specially taking into consideration a live setting) and/or the inability of the band to work around his new range. |
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Post by pliolite on Jul 27, 2019 19:49:19 GMT -5
Another issue that was emerging in the post 2000 world was Liam singing less and less Noel songs. For whatever reason this kept happening. This created an issue of potentially too many Noel sung songs making the party. That shouldn't be a bad thing but in 2000 in definitely was weird. Liam is an icon. Liam is the force. Liam should be front and center. But times were starting to shift......... I often wonder if Liam's voice decline played a part in that and how many songs that were eventually Noel sung ones, came from troubles with Liam nailing them. Although in the SOTSOG era, that was a non-problem for most of it. Studio-wise, he sounded great, tunes like Roll It Over are examples of this but you also have the case of WDIAGW, that was first tried with a Liam vocal take, which he struggled with.But come HC, you could clearly tell the voice was going a bit off. But that record does not exactly have the best vocal treatment and takes. Noel, during Oasis, countless times said he wrote tunes, taking into consideration how high his voice could go, and sure, during the hey-day, Liam could nail them and go that high and that approach worked wonders. But come the 2000's, something had to change there, and i don't think Noel made the change that was needed in that regard, which led to more Noel sung songs due to either the fact Liam could not sing them (specially taking into consideration a live setting) and/or the inability of the band to work around his new range. Where does this come from? Has anyone ever heard Liam singing it? Tbh, I don't see why he wouldn't have nailed it. Noel probably just wanted to do it. Liam should have sung Sunday Morning Call anyway, IMHO, and Noel doing Put Yer Money...is a better prospect. This is another reason why SOTSOG needs a special edition, cause maybe some of this stuff is in the vaults, and also it needs its tracklisting updated. Preferably... 1. Full On (Liam) 2. Go Let It Out 3. Let's All Make Believe 4. Carry Us All 5. I Can See A Liar 6. Who Feels Love 7. WDIAGW (Liam) 8. Sunday Morning Call 9. F**kin in the Bushes 10. Gas Panic |
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Post by davitpr on Jul 27, 2019 19:53:29 GMT -5
Once really needs a guitar solo after the "Once.... Once..." break which in turn needs to be halfed 🤔 Point being; Noel is the best quality control Liam could ever have. I prefer the strings than another generic guitar solo. |
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Post by davitpr on Jul 27, 2019 19:55:25 GMT -5
I'm totally with you my friend. I'm really loving Wyatt's production. It makes it sound fresh and different while still staying true to Liam's sound. I absolutely love it. Noel was getting stale and boring.
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Post by shannee on Jul 27, 2019 20:04:56 GMT -5
Andrew Wyatt can fall in a hole if u ask me 🤷♀️
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 20:08:25 GMT -5
I often wonder if Liam's voice decline played a part in that and how many songs that were eventually Noel sung ones, came from troubles with Liam nailing them. Although in the SOTSOG era, that was a non-problem for most of it. Studio-wise, he sounded great, tunes like Roll It Over are examples of this but you also have the case of WDIAGW, that was first tried with a Liam vocal take, which he struggled with.But come HC, you could clearly tell the voice was going a bit off. But that record does not exactly have the best vocal treatment and takes. Noel, during Oasis, countless times said he wrote tunes, taking into consideration how high his voice could go, and sure, during the hey-day, Liam could nail them and go that high and that approach worked wonders. But come the 2000's, something had to change there, and i don't think Noel made the change that was needed in that regard, which led to more Noel sung songs due to either the fact Liam could not sing them (specially taking into consideration a live setting) and/or the inability of the band to work around his new range. Where does this come from? Has anyone ever heard Liam singing it? Tbh, I don't see why he wouldn't have nailed it. Noel probably just wanted to do it. Liam should have sung Sunday Morning Call anyway, IMHO, and Noel doing Put Yer Money...is a better prospect. This is another reason why SOTSOG needs a special edition, cause maybe some of this stuff is in the vaults, and also it needs its tracklisting updated. Preferably... 1. Full On (Liam) 2. Go Let It Out 3. Let's All Make Believe 4. Carry Us All 5. I Can See A Liar 6. Who Feels Love 7. WDIAGW (Liam) 8. Sunday Morning Call 9. F**kin in the Bushes 10. Gas Panic It's docummented in interviews around the time of the record. I don't remember where exactly however, but i'm 99% sure i've read it. When i have some free time, i will search for it. That track-listing makes the record already better. The record, with that listing, would be a clear nº3 from a quality stand-point if i had to rank all Oasis studio records (excluding The Masterplan from that analysis), imo. |
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Post by davitpr on Jul 27, 2019 21:50:27 GMT -5
i think i must be one of the few if not the only person who doesnt mind the once once once bit Nope, I’m with you. Me too. I love it! |
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Post by ritajerry on Jul 27, 2019 22:27:00 GMT -5
The SOTSOG era is a prime example of this point, and i do agree with you on that. When stuff like Little James, Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is make the record, but tunes like Carry Us All, Full On and Let's All Make Believe do not...there's some quality control problems and questionable choices being made. A 2001 return would have likely been enough for Noel to recover mentally, from being off drugs. And maybe Oasis 2000 would have been different with it. Another issue that was emerging in the post 2000 world was Liam singing less and less Noel songs. For whatever reason this kept happening. This created an issue of potentially too many Noel sung songs making the party. That shouldn't be a bad thing but in 2000 in definitely was weird. Liam is an icon. Liam is the force. Liam should be front and center. But times were starting to shift......... I thought it’s because Liam’s voice turned bad. He is the icon of Oasis for sure, but his live just turned sucks. IMO, he is not a great live singer since 2002 even now. It’s better than 2005-6, but some of the tunes like for what is worth, sucker than the studio version very much. Maybe just my opinion, I think band (or band sounds artists) should be live better than studio |
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Post by LlAM on Jul 28, 2019 1:56:38 GMT -5
Once really needs a guitar solo after the "Once.... Once..." break which in turn needs to be halfed 🤔 Point being; Noel is the best quality control Liam could ever have. I prefer the strings than another generic guitar solo. A string solo could work too or perhaps string and guitar harmony like The Masterplan. There's definitely something missing to lift the song from average to epic and Wyatt wasn't creative enough to come up with it. |
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Post by davitpr on Jul 28, 2019 2:13:10 GMT -5
I prefer the strings than another generic guitar solo. A string solo could work too or perhaps string and guitar harmony like The Masterplan. There's definitely something missing to lift the song from average to epic and Wyatt wasn't creative enough to come up with it. At first that's what I thought, but pay attention to the drums and the violins. That part really elevates the song. |
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Post by betinho on Jul 28, 2019 2:20:43 GMT -5
I often wonder if Liam's voice decline played a part in that and how many songs that were eventually Noel sung ones, came from troubles with Liam nailing them. Although in the SOTSOG era, that was a non-problem for most of it. Studio-wise, he sounded great, tunes like Roll It Over are examples of this but you also have the case of WDIAGW, that was first tried with a Liam vocal take, which he struggled with.But come HC, you could clearly tell the voice was going a bit off. But that record does not exactly have the best vocal treatment and takes. Noel, during Oasis, countless times said he wrote tunes, taking into consideration how high his voice could go, and sure, during the hey-day, Liam could nail them and go that high and that approach worked wonders. But come the 2000's, something had to change there, and i don't think Noel made the change that was needed in that regard, which led to more Noel sung songs due to either the fact Liam could not sing them (specially taking into consideration a live setting) and/or the inability of the band to work around his new range. Where does this come from? Has anyone ever heard Liam singing it? Tbh, I don't see why he wouldn't have nailed it. Noel probably just wanted to do it. Liam should have sung Sunday Morning Call anyway, IMHO, and Noel doing Put Yer Money...is a better prospect. This is another reason why SOTSOG needs a special edition, cause maybe some of this stuff is in the vaults, and also it needs its tracklisting updated. Preferably... 1. Full On (Liam) 2. Go Let It Out 3. Let's All Make Believe 4. Carry Us All 5. I Can See A Liar 6. Who Feels Love 7. WDIAGW (Liam) 8. Sunday Morning Call 9. F**kin in the Bushes 10. Gas Panic Roll It Over?? |
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