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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 13, 2019 12:18:00 GMT -5
Go on, change my mind, I dare you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 12:21:02 GMT -5
Just re-listen the 90's acoustic songs, it should be enough to change your mind.
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Post by The Escapist on Jan 13, 2019 12:41:42 GMT -5
Depends which one you're talking about. It's better than Angel Child but not as good as Half the World Away.
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Post by jordan71421 on Jan 13, 2019 13:12:04 GMT -5
Dead In the Water is soooooooooo boring to me
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Jan 13, 2019 16:37:20 GMT -5
I really love it - however I'm not sure how much of that is because it's so eerie and haunting and whether I'd still have the same opinion had it been recorded professionally. That Youtube clip of If I Had A Gun was superb for example but I really can't get away with the studio version. I don't think DITW really has the same impact played live in front of a crowd either.
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Post by jordan71421 on Jan 13, 2019 17:01:05 GMT -5
I’m so sick of the 4 chord Noel formula. It’s been done to death and it’s not interesting anymore
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Jan 13, 2019 17:17:44 GMT -5
It's good but doesn't give me the hard on it gives a lot of other people
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Post by bt95 on Jan 13, 2019 17:32:15 GMT -5
I’m so sick of the 4 chord Noel formula. It’s been done to death and it’s not interesting anymore Well he is going away from it to an extent, but there's no harm with doing it every now and then. The thing is, it isn't by design with him. That talent - and it is an extreme talent - is a natural (almost supernatural) gift. The most gifted musician could try thousands of times to write a five/four-chord song as simple yet as impactful as Noel does, and never manage. I don't have a clamour for it, but it's nice to think that there's always the potential should something 'fall from the sky', as he says. |
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Post by jordan71421 on Jan 13, 2019 17:56:02 GMT -5
I’m so sick of the 4 chord Noel formula. It’s been done to death and it’s not interesting anymore Well he is going away from it to an extent, but there's no harm with doing it every now and then. The thing is, it isn't by design with him. That talent - and it is an extreme talent - is a natural (almost supernatural) gift. The most gifted musician could try thousands of times to write a five/four-chord song as simple yet as impactful as Noel does, and never manage. I don't have a clamour for it, but it's nice to think that there's always the potential should something 'fall from the sky', as he says. Of course it’s by design, he’s been using that same chord pattern since 1995. And I’d put in to question these “impactful” songs you’re talking about. Which ones do you mean? |
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Post by popeyebonaparte on Jan 13, 2019 18:53:34 GMT -5
A soporipherous number on an otherwise brilliant album.
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Post by madferitusa2025 on Jan 13, 2019 20:39:59 GMT -5
Go get on, change my mind, I dare you. Behave mate  Seriously, a beautiful tune though. |
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Post by Tales from The Mighty I on Jan 14, 2019 4:17:28 GMT -5
Unfortunately, and I hate to say this... but because it didn't get a proper release or hasn't ever been properly re-recorded and is never going to be re-recorded, I would never place 'Dead in the Water' anywhere near Noel's top written songs in Oasis. The only thing I can truly salivate over if 'Dead in the Water' was properly recorded are the different channels of where the mic's were placed at the time of real-time recording, and if those were distant enough to consider piecing together a proper track. So if Noel's judgement to release it in the deluxe version of WBTM hadn't been done, I would've held out hope to give it a placement anywhere in his catalogue if it was given a real chance. This may defeat the purpose of me saying any of this, but I can't change your mind or anyone else's, least of all mine, too.
That isn't to say, it doesn't get points for being a poignant piece of music, and a very well thought-out composition. 'Dead in the Water' proves Noel still has got it. He never lost it, but it's nice to see we still got a resemblance of Noel as the young Manc we saw coming from Burnage with three other lads and a John Lennon-esqe brother who aspired to be like John.
'Dead in the Water' is too good to ever be considered anything else, and I don't think Noel cares whether we like it or not. He knows it's too good. He's just happy it fell in his lap the day he recorded it with those RTE 2fm engineers in Dublin.
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Post by funhouse on Jan 14, 2019 14:44:31 GMT -5
Go on, change my mind, I dare you. For once, I have no intrest to. I'm totally behind you on this! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 23:50:17 GMT -5
Very emotional live, I’ll say that for sure. Hearing it in Toronto on the most recent North American tour was pretty wicked. In my opinion it’s tough for me to put it up there with talk tonight and half the world away, maybe it if had the same style of production I’d think differently. Either way, I still dig it.
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Post by bt95 on Jan 15, 2019 6:40:48 GMT -5
Well he is going away from it to an extent, but there's no harm with doing it every now and then. The thing is, it isn't by design with him. That talent - and it is an extreme talent - is a natural (almost supernatural) gift. The most gifted musician could try thousands of times to write a five/four-chord song as simple yet as impactful as Noel does, and never manage. I don't have a clamour for it, but it's nice to think that there's always the potential should something 'fall from the sky', as he says. Of course it’s by design, he’s been using that same chord pattern since 1995. And I’d put in to question these “impactful” songs you’re talking about. Which ones do you mean? It's not, not at all. I don't know if you play an instrument or have tried to write a song? I am by no means an expert, but have taught myself to play guitar to a half-decent standard in the last two years. I'm always noodling, and sometimes something's just popped into my head. I haven't meant it to be a certain way, it's just happened. And while I in no way think it's a song or they're songs of any real quality, they always came quickly and I'm proud of having created something from scratch. Any time I've actually tried to sit down and write something, it hasn't really worked. In no way comparing myself with Noel, but clearly the guy just has such an ear for a melody that it can't be by design. Yes, maybe reusing Wonderwall chords for DYKWIM and Broken Arrow etc is to an extent, but a song like Talk Tonight only uses about 5 or 6 chords, as does Cast No Shadow etc. In terms of 'impactful, but simple songs' (just the acoustic kind) released since 1995, for me: - Shout It Out Loud - Idler's Dream - Just Getting Older - Cigarettes In Hell - Angel Child - Waiting for the Rapture (incredibly simple on acoustic) - Broken Arrow - If I Had A Gun - Dead In The Water Throw in simple songs like Lyla, Go Let It Out, Shock of the Lightning, Falling Down, What A Life, Holy Mountain, She Taught Me How To Fly etc. There's such a snobbery when it comes to Oasis/NG. You don't need to be the world's greatest musician to be a great songwriter. While, as I said, I'm glad he's going away from the 'dad rock', his ear for a melody and ability to write a soaring chorus is what makes the music special, and is what makes Noel being a bit more adventurous exciting, because not many 'out there' artists have that ability that he does. |
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Post by bt95 on Jan 15, 2019 6:43:09 GMT -5
Unfortunately, and I hate to say this... but because it didn't get a proper release or hasn't ever been properly re-recorded and is never going to be re-recorded, I would never place 'Dead in the Water' anywhere near Noel's top written songs in Oasis. The only thing I can truly salivate over if 'Dead in the Water' was properly recorded are the different channels of where the mic's were placed at the time of real-time recording, and if those were distant enough to consider piecing together a proper track. So if Noel's judgement to release it in the deluxe version of WBTM hadn't been done, I would've held out hope to give it a placement anywhere in his catalogue if it was given a real chance. This may defeat the purpose of me saying any of this, but I can't change your mind or anyone else's, least of all mine, too. That isn't to say, it doesn't get points for being a poignant piece of music, and a very well thought-out composition. 'Dead in the Water' proves Noel still has got it. He never lost it, but it's nice to see we still got a resemblance of Noel as the young Manc we saw coming from Burnage with three other lads and a John Lennon-esqe brother who aspired to be like John. 'Dead in the Water' is too good to ever be considered anything else, and I don't think Noel cares whether we like it or not. He knows it's too good. He's just happy it fell in his lap the day he recorded it with those RTE 2fm engineers in Dublin. S'pose it's entirely opinion but I much prefer it as is I think. It doesn't need producing. It's just a quality standalone piece of music. I wouldn't say it's a classic. It's a classic Noel song, and shows he can literally pluck them from the sky if he wants. It had an impact on me because it's a beautifully simple song and as soon as I heard it I knew how to play it. For a novice guitar player who has worked really, really hard to teach myself, I was chuffed at that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 11:47:13 GMT -5
I'm not a huge spelling Nazi, but what the hell is a "aciusic" song?
Come on, man.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 16, 2019 13:21:40 GMT -5
He should make it a proper studio recording at some point. Really like the song but that recording of it is not a favorite of mine. Too much echo. Sounds like he’s 20 feet from a mic. He’s done much better radio performances of it on the radio this past year and his voice is perfect there. Maybe if it was a stellar recording but it’s not. It’s an honest moment captured but that shouldn’t prevent it from a proper release one day. I know that’s unlikely.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 16, 2019 13:22:55 GMT -5
Unfortunately, and I hate to say this... but because it didn't get a proper release or hasn't ever been properly re-recorded and is never going to be re-recorded, I would never place 'Dead in the Water' anywhere near Noel's top written songs in Oasis. The only thing I can truly salivate over if 'Dead in the Water' was properly recorded are the different channels of where the mic's were placed at the time of real-time recording, and if those were distant enough to consider piecing together a proper track. So if Noel's judgement to release it in the deluxe version of WBTM hadn't been done, I would've held out hope to give it a placement anywhere in his catalogue if it was given a real chance. This may defeat the purpose of me saying any of this, but I can't change your mind or anyone else's, least of all mine, too. That isn't to say, it doesn't get points for being a poignant piece of music, and a very well thought-out composition. 'Dead in the Water' proves Noel still has got it. He never lost it, but it's nice to see we still got a resemblance of Noel as the young Manc we saw coming from Burnage with three other lads and a John Lennon-esqe brother who aspired to be like John. 'Dead in the Water' is too good to ever be considered anything else, and I don't think Noel cares whether we like it or not. He knows it's too good. He's just happy it fell in his lap the day he recorded it with those RTE 2fm engineers in Dublin. Preach! |
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Post by The Escapist on Jan 17, 2019 17:15:21 GMT -5
No possible more arranged or produced version of DITW could be as good as the one we have.
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Post by spaneli on Jan 17, 2019 17:55:53 GMT -5
No possible more arranged or produced version of DITW could have been as good as the one we have. I would agree. It's the performance that makes that song. It's the creaks in his voice. It's the sound of reminiscing that I haven't heard in any other performance of that song. I once had a jazz song where I brought in a flugelhorn player (I was going through a phase). He did this solo and I thought, "That's it. Right there. That's it." Well, my drummer thought the timing was a tad off and wanted it re-done (listening to a drummer, my first mistake ). We brought the guy back in and he was super happy because he thought he had fucked up a few times on that solo and was really keen to do it again. In fact, he thought the take we were using was terrible. He did it again. The way he wanted to. It was musically perfect. And it sucked. The previous version with the slight sharps, slightly flat notes, the timing that was a tad off was just a better performance. It was a better feeling. I apologize to some people, but if anyone thinks that performance, that feeling is getting any better on a rerecording, well, I think you're fooling yourself. Some things can stay in the ether imo. |
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Post by LlAM on Jan 20, 2019 10:41:57 GMT -5
Dead In The Water is as good as any '90s Noel acoustic song.
Is it as legendary though? Hell no!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 10:49:18 GMT -5
As good as Sad Song, Talk Tonight, Half The World Away, D'Yer Wanna Be A Spaceman, Take Me Away, etc ? Never !
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Post by jordan71421 on Jan 20, 2019 12:38:27 GMT -5
As good as Sad Song, Talk Tonight, Half The World Away, D'Yer Wanna Be A Spaceman, Take Me Away, etc ? Never ! Yep, not even close |
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Post by freddy838 on Jan 20, 2019 12:47:19 GMT -5
It's a good tune, I don't mind Noel going for the standard Noel-chords song once an album cycle as his melodies are great. I think I prefer them stripped back like this though I like the production on Dying of the Light. If I Had A Gun is just a snoozefest the way it is on the record. I'd still quite like a Noel acoustic album like Howl by BRMC.
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Seriously, a beautiful tune though.
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