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Post by Parka Flames on Dec 7, 2018 7:05:08 GMT -5
Throughout the BHN tour into 1998 the setlist was packed with songs from Be Here Now. And not just the singles either.
Even in 2000 after Noel had apparently disowned it they still performed Stand By Me in its entirety at a number of gigs.
I read on Wiki years ago that he dismissed a few of the songs as "fucking shit" before the album was ever released. Is there a particular interview pre-2000 where Noel makes his feelings on the album clear? Or was it only post-SOTSOG that he really began to tear into it?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 7, 2018 7:53:58 GMT -5
He made plenty of comments prior to its release about it being pub rock and uninspired filled with songs he had from years prior.
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Post by The Escapist on Dec 7, 2018 7:56:44 GMT -5
He made plenty of comments prior to its release about it being pub rock and uninspired filled with songs he had from years prior. He did? |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 7, 2018 8:13:41 GMT -5
He made plenty of comments prior to its release about it being pub rock and uninspired filled with songs he had from years prior. He did? There was a thread on here that had great radio interviews of Noel from late 1997. Very telling stuff. I mean this was a guy who only months prior listed the best songs he ever wrote as Live Forever, Wonderwall and Magic Pie. |
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Post by The Escapist on Dec 7, 2018 8:41:23 GMT -5
There was a thread on here that had great radio interviews of Noel from late 1997. Very telling stuff. I mean this was a guy who only months prior listed the best songs he ever wrote as Live Forever, Wonderwall and Magic Pie. That would have been after the release though. Like you say, he seemed very hyped about Be Here Now before it's release. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 7, 2018 8:44:01 GMT -5
There was a thread on here that had great radio interviews of Noel from late 1997. Very telling stuff. I mean this was a guy who only months prior listed the best songs he ever wrote as Live Forever, Wonderwall and Magic Pie. That would have been after the release though. Like you say, he seemed very hyped about Be Here Now before it's release. For sure. I guess I’m including some extremely early post BHN thoughts by Noel in late 1997. Way too early for someone to dump on a product they are in full sell mode on. I’m pretty certain him calling it just “pub rock” was prior to the album dropping. It’s so hard to find this stuff now because it was in the Pre Internet as we know it era. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 7, 2018 9:26:36 GMT -5
When he got off the drugs.
Look, while we think of Oasis’ wild antics of 1997 to be that of a band partying as we ourselves would if in their position, Noel was doing an incredible amount of drugs - when Noel got sober in 2000, he looked back at the last few years prior and realized how dark 1997 to 2000 were for him.
Noel hates BHN partially for the dark times of taking insane amounts of cocaine and just being so out of it. Noel has bad connotations with the BHN era and hates the album due to the troubling associations he has with it. He’s never said any of this, but I think it’s rather self-evident.
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Post by bt95 on Dec 7, 2018 9:32:17 GMT -5
When he got off the drugs. Look, while we think of Oasis’ wild antics of 1997 to be that of a band partying as we ourselves would if in their position, Noel was doing an incredible amount of drugs - when Noel got sober in 2000, he looked back at the last few years prior and realized how dark 1997 to 2000 were for him. Noel hates BHN partially for the dark times of taking insane amounts of cocaine and just being so out of it. Noel has bad connotations with the BHN era and hates the album due to the troubling associations he has with it. He’s never said any of this, but I think it’s rather self-evident. Wasn't it 1998? |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 7, 2018 11:41:24 GMT -5
When he got off the drugs. Look, while we think of Oasis’ wild antics of 1997 to be that of a band partying as we ourselves would if in their position, Noel was doing an incredible amount of drugs - when Noel got sober in 2000, he looked back at the last few years prior and realized how dark 1997 to 2000 were for him. Noel hates BHN partially for the dark times of taking insane amounts of cocaine and just being so out of it. Noel has bad connotations with the BHN era and hates the album due to the troubling associations he has with it. He’s never said any of this, but I think it’s rather self-evident. Wasn't it 1998? Wonder if guigsysEstring can verify what year Noel got off the drugs? |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 7, 2018 12:30:51 GMT -5
April 1998 according to a Q Magazine interview in February 1999, although I assume he's talking about illicit drugs as in later years he talked about swapping those for pharmaceutical ones- Tellingly for me he references taking Resolve and Nurofen of a morning even as he discusses being "straight". |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 7, 2018 12:50:37 GMT -5
That would have been after the release though. Like you say, he seemed very hyped about Be Here Now before it's release. He wasn't so certain in a 12th July 1997 interview with NME- I personally think that whether fair or not Noel was savvy enough to realise after the peaks of rising on DM and the all conquering WTSMG? combined with near total UK media saturation meant that Be Here Now was going to get a much tougher ride, and perhaps like McGee and others he wasn't as confident privately about the album as he was in public. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 7, 2018 13:05:15 GMT -5
April 1998 according to a Q Magazine interview in February 1999, although I assume he's talking about illicit drugs as in later years he talked about swapping those for pharmaceutical ones- Tellingly for me he references taking Resolve and Nurofen of a morning even as he discusses being "straight". I stand corrected. Thanks for finding that. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 7, 2018 13:07:53 GMT -5
He made plenty of comments prior to its release about it being pub rock and uninspired filled with songs he had from years prior. He did? I can't find his direct "pub rock" quote but it is referenced rather pleasingly in the July 1997 review of OK Computer by Vox Magazine, so I presume it had been said by Noel before the release of Be Here Now- Edit (also Lennon2217 ) being the boring b******d that I am I found the direct Noel reference I was looking for from Q Magazine in July 2002- |
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Post by Headmaster on Dec 7, 2018 14:28:09 GMT -5
I remember Noel once said it was during the World Cup 1998 when he quit drugs.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 7, 2018 14:43:46 GMT -5
I remember Noel once said it was during the World Cup 1998 when he quit drugs. Specifically cocaine in a 2008 interview with The Guardian- his story about getting off the BHN tour and quitting does match his earlier April story and being back writing songs by June is all around a similar time frame. |
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Post by The Escapist on Dec 7, 2018 20:55:54 GMT -5
Great info as always, Guigsy. Nice one.
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Post by Parka Flames on Dec 10, 2018 10:08:30 GMT -5
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Post by Aman on Dec 10, 2018 20:04:20 GMT -5
Loving all these interviews linked, good stuff guigsy.
This made me laugh lol.
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How's Liam?
Actually, our kid came by where I was recording, and I thought he was gonna sing on some of the demos. But he comes in, opens a can of Red Stripe, sits on the couch, drinks it sown in one, lights a fag, and goes, "It's f*****g great being back in the studio!" F*****g hell. He sat there in the same place for a week - didn't even bring a chnage of clothes - with a bottle of Jack Daniels and a tray of Stellas, just drinking, going, "This is what I miss about being in a band!"
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Post by mkoasis on Dec 10, 2018 21:45:03 GMT -5
I definitely remember the "same old pub rock bollocks" comment.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 11, 2018 1:26:38 GMT -5
I definitely remember the "same old pub rock bollocks" comment. Rod Liddle quoted those exact words in The Times in July 2004 in reference to the then upcoming 'Don't Believe The Truth', then slated for a Sep/Oct release in that same year. I vaguely remembered seeing the article but unfortunately the digital copy is mostly behind a paywall- |
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