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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 2, 2018 19:04:26 GMT -5
Enough with the holy trilogy. What about the remaining quartet?
Don't Believe the Truth, while it has aged poorly, must surely be the most important post-90s Oasis record.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 7:29:45 GMT -5
If 'Don't Believe The Truth' doesn't happen then Oasis are completely lost to history post break up. That bit of reemergence locked them into a place with other great bands of the past 30 odd years.
All that said... had they walked off after Knebworth and never played again, they would be more highly regarded still.
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Post by mimmihopps on Oct 3, 2018 7:40:42 GMT -5
DBTT was the first release after I got into Oasis. I loved every moment before/around/after this release in early 2005. Great time to being an Oasis fan and nothing can beat the excitement of waiting for the release date and queuing to get tickets for the gigs. F**k leak and online tickets sale. It was great time to be the first one on Saturday morning before 10 AM at front of a ticket shop or even staying all night queuing.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 3, 2018 8:20:16 GMT -5
I guess it would have to be DBTT. The album sales were pretty much the same as HC but the vibe seemed different. More upbeat despite nothing really changing within the band or its sound. I caught Oasis 3 times on this tour. MSG. Philadelphia. Atlantic City. Fun stuff.
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Post by carlober on Oct 3, 2018 8:31:57 GMT -5
Definitely DBTT.
It was the right album at the right time, although it has aged quite badly - in my opinion.
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 3, 2018 8:48:30 GMT -5
Don't Believe the Truth is the most important, Standing on the ShoulderS of Giants is the best.
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Post by oasisserbia on Oct 3, 2018 8:56:33 GMT -5
Enough with the holy trilogy. What about the remaining quartet? Don't Believe the Truth, while it has aged poorly, must surely be the most important post-90s Oasis record. The Masterplan is not really an album, so there is no holy trilogy. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 3, 2018 8:57:22 GMT -5
Definitely DBTT. It was the right album at the right time, although it has aged quite badly - in my opinion. Its a lot of sizzle but without substance. |
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Post by Headmaster on Oct 3, 2018 11:28:31 GMT -5
It must be DBTT, it was a resurgence for the band, those two #1 singles were great and paved the way for the album's sucess, also songs like POTQ, MF, GGTIA and TUTS felt fresh at the time, the band got back a bit of their mojo and energy which was lacking on HC, the album itself wasn't a big deal, but it was enough to win over new fans and put the band back on the map around the world.
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Post by morning_rain on Oct 3, 2018 12:33:16 GMT -5
DBTT. Great singles, good promotion and they were played a lot in the radio. Lyla got them a lot of new fans and the TIOBI release was quite a success and even people who stopped listening to Oasis praised that song/video and started being fans again.
And I don't really think it has aged bad but it opened a path they never walked again as a band. It's almost like a prequel for NGHFB#1.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 3, 2018 20:03:37 GMT -5
The Masterplan is not really an album, so there is no holy trilogy. The Be Here Now fanatics may not agree   As for the original question I agree with The Escapist 's answer in that DBTT was certainly the album that brought Oasis back from increasing irrelevance, but SOTSOG is the album from the post 1990's output that I find myself going back to most often. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 3, 2018 23:25:42 GMT -5
I was always proud of the fact that "The Importance of Being Idle" went #1. I didn't know it at the time but that was Oasis' last #1 single. 13 fucking years ago.
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Post by oasisserbia on Oct 4, 2018 5:33:59 GMT -5
The Masterplan is not really an album, so there is no holy trilogy. The Be Here Now fanatics may not agree As for the original question I agree with The Escapist 's answer in that DBTT was certainly the album that brought Oasis back from increasing irrelevance, but SOTSOG is the album from the post 1990's output that I find myself going back to most often. BHN is like Andy Murray. Ok, he is good, especially when we compare him with shit new young players (bands/albums) that we have today, but he is level or two below actual holy trilogy (DM, WTSMG, TM = Rafa, Roger, Novak). He can be great but to watch all his match is boring as fuck.  Djokovic is The Masterplan, as good as DM and WTSMG (Rafa and Roger), 10/10 player(album) but never as much loved and recognized as those other two. He represents final confirmation of how good that era actually was.  Nadal is Definitely Maybe. 10/10, wild, sexy and unpredictable. Probably better than Roger (WTSMG) but less popular and successful.  Federer is Morning Glory, 10/10, elegant, approved and loved all over over the world.  DOYS is Marat Safin, very promising at the beginning but he couldn´t be arsed to finish as good as he started.  HC is Marko Djokovic, Novak´s retarted little brother who wanted to be like Novak (TM) and his friends Rafa and Roger (DM and MG), he looked like him but he was never as good. Not even close.  DBTT is Andy Rodick, very popular at the time, he had two great hits when he riched two Grand Slam Finals and even won one.  SOTSOG is Janko Tipsarevic, he was junior number 1 during the 90s and everybody expected to see what he will do in new millennium. He was dressing like raver, he had tattoos with Chinese letters and those early 2000s sunglasses in every colour. He thought that he is very modern and ahead of time but he wasn´t actually, it was just that early 2000s fashion when idiots thought that everybody would be dressing like people from science fiction movies in the future. Some other people were actually ahead of time in those years.  I think that Roddick was most important player of those 4. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 5:51:45 GMT -5
The Be Here Now fanatics may not agree As for the original question I agree with The Escapist 's answer in that DBTT was certainly the album that brought Oasis back from increasing irrelevance, but SOTSOG is the album from the post 1990's output that I find myself going back to most often. BHN is like Andy Murray. Ok, he is good, especially when we compare him with shit new young players (bands/albums) that we have today, but he is level or two below actual holy trilogy (DM, WTSMG, TM = Rafa, Roger, Novak). He can be great but to watch all his match is boring as fuck. Djokovic is The Masterplan, as good as DM and WTSMG (Rafa and Roger), 10/10 player(album) but never as much loved and recognized as those other two. He represents final confirmation of how good that era actually was. Nadal is Definitely Maybe. 10/10, wild, sexy and unpredictable. Probably better than Roger (WTSMG) but less popular and successful. Federer is Morning Glory, 10/10, elegant, approved and loved all over over the world. DOYS is Marat Safin, very promising at the beginning but he couldn´t be arsed to finish as good as he started. HC is Marko Djokovic, Novak´s retarted little brother who wanted to be like Novak (TM) and his friends Rafa and Roger (DM and MG), he looked like him but he was never as good. Not even close. DBTT is Andy Rodick, very popular at the time, he had two great hits when he riched two Grand Slam Finals and even won one. SOTSOG is Janko Tipsarevic, he was junior number 1 during the 90s and everybody expected to see what he will do in new millennium. He was dressing like raver, he had tattoos with Chinese letters and those early 2000s sunglasses in every colour. He thought that he is very modern and ahead of time but he wasn´t actually, it was just that early 2000s fashion when idiots thought that everybody would be dressing like people from science fiction movies in the future. Some other people were actually ahead of time in those years. I think that Roddick was most important player of those 4. Post of the fuckin' year !  |
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Post by jez123 on Oct 4, 2018 7:13:30 GMT -5
Probably DBTT, it was generally well received by the critics. They had there most successful tour world wide and you could tell everyone in the band were having a good time.
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Post by mkoasis on Oct 4, 2018 20:38:06 GMT -5
While I completely agree with the points made about DBTT, I'm going to come at this from a different angle and say SOTSOG.
The lesson that was learned from this album (sadly) was that musical risk taking and a spirit of adventurousness were largely off the table after this, at least until the idea of the kitchen sink album emerged with DOYS.
Because of it's failure to make an impact critically or commercially (despite it's definite strong points and bold change of sound compared to their previous records) we saw the band start to play it way too safe, almost to the point of self-parody with HC.
Then again, I listen to those 2001 gigs and I feel like maybe I'm wrong about this. That year was great for the band live, way more exciting than 2000.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 4, 2018 21:49:50 GMT -5
While I completely agree with the points made about DBTT, I'm going to come at this from a different angle and say SOTSOG. The lesson that was learned from this album (sadly) was that musical risk taking and a spirit of adventurousness were largely off the table after this, at least until the idea of the kitchen sink album emerged with DOYS. Because of it's failure to make an impact critically or commercially (despite it's definite strong points and bold change of sound compared to their previous records) we saw the band start to play it way too safe, almost to the point of self-parody with HC. Then again, I listen to those 2001 gigs and I feel like maybe I'm wrong about this. That year was great for the band live, way more exciting than 2000. Oasis was always excellent live. They entered Rolling Stones era in very early 2000s. Awesome live, uneven albums. It literally happens to all bands. |
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Post by Headmaster on Oct 4, 2018 22:47:00 GMT -5
I was always proud of the fact that "The Importance of Being Idle" went #1. I didn't know it at the time but that was Oasis' last #1 single. 13 fucking years ago. The singles were all great, the album's sucess owes much to those three songs Lyla has that 90's vibe to it but with a more mature mind, it sounded like an updated version of Roll With It, amazing catch chorus and also Liam sounds great on it. The Importance of Being Idle, while not being a track that I like to hear very often, is fantastic, also it was a fresh Kinks inspired Noel sung single after the dull Little By Little and Sunday Morning Call. Let There Be Love works really well as a single despite not being as great as the demo version, both Noel and Liam sharing dutie on the vocals was a selling point, it was #2 on the charts. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 4, 2018 23:08:42 GMT -5
I was always proud of the fact that "The Importance of Being Idle" went #1. I didn't know it at the time but that was Oasis' last #1 single. 13 fucking years ago. The singles were all great, the album's sucess owes much to those three songs Lyla has that 90's vibe to it but with a more mature mind, it sounded like an updated version of Roll With It, amazing catch chorus and also Liam sounds great on it. The Importance of Being Idle, while not being a track that I like to hear very often, is fantastic, also it was a fresh Kinks inspired Noel sung single after the dull Little By Little and Sunday Morning Call. Let There Be Love works really well as a single despite not being as great as the demo version, both Noel and Liam sharing dutie on the vocals was a selling point, it was #2 on the charts.This song moves so slowly I feel like I'm going back in time with Doc Brown and Marty.  |
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Post by Aman on Oct 9, 2018 20:07:51 GMT -5
HC isn't too far behind lol, can't underestimate those singles from 2002 and making people remember Oasis again for the first time since 1997.
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Post by Aman on Oct 9, 2018 20:13:15 GMT -5
Let There Be Love is fcukin awful btw. 😵
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 9, 2018 20:36:13 GMT -5
Let There Be Love is fcukin awful btw. 😵 Agreed on the HC singles although I thought promoting 'She Is Love' to double A-side status was pushing it a bit by Noel, but I suppose newly loved up and all that as he was round that period.... LTBL I actually liked the demo even though I'm not a fan of the final song for some reason. |
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Post by KhanMightSay on Oct 10, 2018 7:04:59 GMT -5
Let There Be Love is fcukin awful btw. 😵 Agreed on the HC singles although I thought promoting 'She Is Love' to double A-side status was pushing it a bit by Noel, but I suppose newly loved up and all that as he was round that period.... LTBL I actually liked the demo even though I'm not a fan of the final song for some reason.
I'm not the only one! I absolutely love this SOTSOG era demo. The way Noel sang it, the beautiful guitar chords and the lyrics. Let There Be Love completely decimated what was a great song! There was no need to change the lyrics, the tempo and the acoustic sound. LTBL gets marginally better when Noel comes in but I just find the lyrics in the whole song so cringey.
I always listen to It's A Crime, never to LTBL.
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Post by Aman on Oct 10, 2018 7:31:42 GMT -5
It's so cringey lol.
It's just not Oasis to me at all.
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Post by oasis6 on Oct 22, 2018 16:04:21 GMT -5
Well for the general population... A lot of people only know Wonderwall. For a percentage of those people, they then knew SCYHO cause of that movie. So in that sense, HC.
For us cool people, yes, DBTT.
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