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Post by Cantona7 on May 17, 2005 15:10:10 GMT -5
He will break the TV deal very legitimately if he joins a European super league (His son has already met Juve, Milan and Madrid chairmen) The premiership will then become a pissy league, because Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool will follow. That will be the end for the real fan and Football will die rapidly Glazer will die Glazer will die Keep the red flag flying high No Customer, NO Profit, No Glazer  |
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Post by Noel's Barmy Army on May 18, 2005 16:43:23 GMT -5
He will break the TV deal very legitimately if he joins a European super league (His son has already met Juve, Milan and Madrid chairmen) The premiership will then become a pissy league, because Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool will follow. That will be the end for the real fan and Football will die rapidly Glazer will die Glazer will die Keep the red flag flying high No Customer, NO Profit, No Glazer a European Super League? yeh riiiiiiight  If it was so profitable and such a great idea it would have happened by now. Think of the logistics of it. How is an everyday fan going to get to say 10 or 15 away matches a season in fucking Italy, Germany, Spain etc? Why would Liverpool be invited? I thought it was going to be a Super League. Hell, invite Everton, Spurs and Boro too... do you even think before you type? so according to you, Glazer will single-handedly create a European Super League where the creme-de la-creme of European Football is.... and then football dies. rapidly. here's the facts glazer has promised the manager £100m for players over 5 years were previously there was £0. He will also save c£10m-£12m a year because he wont have to pay shareholders dividend. he may sell the stadium rights but so what? that could be £100m-£150m for maybe 5-10 years. For doing nothing. man utd have a worldwide fan base of 75m. If the team are successful, then ppl will buy more merchandise. man utd ticket prices are low anyway and so any increase wont be that extreme. IT ALL DEPENDS ON GLAZER ENSURING THE TEAM IS SUCCESSFUL. last 4 season - 3rd,1st,3rd,3rd and 1 FA Cup. you were 15 points behind Arsenal 2 seasons ago and 20 pts behind Chelsea this year. You want kind of 'success' to continue? Im an Arsenal fan but Im certain that Glazer will stop the rut man utd are in at the mo. |
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Post by Cantona7 on May 18, 2005 18:33:40 GMT -5
He will break the TV deal very legitimately if he joins a European super league (His son has already met Juve, Milan and Madrid chairmen) The premiership will then become a pissy league, because Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool will follow. That will be the end for the real fan and Football will die rapidly Glazer will die Glazer will die Keep the red flag flying high No Customer, NO Profit, No Glazer a European Super League? yeh riiiiiiight If it was so profitable and such a great idea it would have happened by now. Think of the logistics of it. How is an everyday fan going to get to say 10 or 15 away matches a season in fucking Italy, Germany, Spain etc? Why would Liverpool be invited? I thought it was going to be a Super League. Hell, invite Everton, Spurs and Boro too... do you even think before you type? so according to you, Glazer will single-handedly create a European Super League where the creme-de la-creme of European Football is.... and then football dies. rapidly. here's the facts glazer has promised the manager £100m for players over 5 years were previously there was £0. He will also save c£10m-£12m a year because he wont have to pay shareholders dividend. he may sell the stadium rights but so what? that could be £100m-£150m for maybe 5-10 years. For doing nothing. man utd have a worldwide fan base of 75m. If the team are successful, then ppl will buy more merchandise. man utd ticket prices are low anyway and so any increase wont be that extreme. IT ALL DEPENDS ON GLAZER ENSURING THE TEAM IS SUCCESSFUL. last 4 season - 3rd,1st,3rd,3rd and 1 FA Cup. you were 15 points behind Arsenal 2 seasons ago and 20 pts behind Chelsea this year. You want kind of 'success' to continue? Im an Arsenal fan but Im certain that Glazer will stop the rut man utd are in at the mo. Good Argument Fact: 100 Million over 5 years (Wigan will have a bigger budget than that). We currently have 0 every year, but still manage to buy big (Rio, Rooney, Ruud) Fact: Money has not brought us success. Youth Policy and mixture of good buys have given us dominance. Your league standing stats of the last few years are proof of this. When we blended the above, we won doubles and a Treble - Yes Arsenal and Chelsea have lifted the standard, but our abandoning of Youth and Local talent has left us behind. Fact: We have a support of 75million worldwide, mostly made up of glory hunters who will turn to another club at the blink of an eyelid - Just look at South East Asia, the day Beckham signed for Madrid, they swapped their United shirts for Real ones and viewing figures for the following premiership season in Thailand dropped by 60% Fact: Manchester United ticket prices have risen every year since flotation in 91. It is not fucking London. Genuine supporters are finding it harder to go every week to the so called working mans game. Glazer put prices at Tampa up 65% straight away - My ticket in the North Stand is £580 this year, which will rise to £957. This does'nt include Cup or Champions League games Fact: Old Trafford was built in 1909 with donations and hard work from the local community. It has a history that should be kept (Just because Arsenal are happy to see theie history to a load of arabs, soe'nt mean we want to. What if the rest of the world follows suit: The Mickey Mouse Statue Of Liberty The Colgate White House Embassy Number 10 Downing Street The Microsoft Tower Paris The Marriot Taj Mahal etc....... Fact: Glazer comes from a country the size of Europe, with teams that don't encourge away support (So you don't have to worry about travelling fans, anyway evne so Ryan Air/Easy Jet will jump on that band wagon). He has already tested the water with some of the other G14 clubs (Who all want this super league). This will lead to more smaller clubs falling by the way side, with the bigger (Short term of course) clubs getting richer and football as we know it collapsing and becoming a WWF style pantomine (While it lasts). To Sum up, the super league has been researched for years now (The Champions League is a great Beta version), and that is why the g14 clubs want it (Farting Martin Edwards was lobbying for it before he left Utd). They don'y give a fuck for the travelling fans and they look at the NFL as a template for it. They just need a figurehead to drive it forward (Rupert Murdoch was to be that before the MMC cut him off). Glazer is now the Anti Christ they strive for (Berlousconi would have been, if he had'nt fixed his way into government). I want to keep the domestic game as it is, Pizzagates and all that (Its fun). I have no love or hate for Italian or Spanish teams (You can't even sing at their fans, cause they don't understand a word we say and likewise) Glazer will Die, Glazer will die, Keep The Red Flag Flying High. No Customers, No Profit, No Glazer |
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Post by Noel's Barmy Army on May 18, 2005 19:10:21 GMT -5
Good Argument Fact: 100 Million over 5 years (Wigan will have a bigger budget than that). We currently have 0 every year, but still manage to buy big (Rio, Rooney, Ruud) Fergie was told by the last board that he had to sell before he could buy. he no longer has to do that. And he has the £100m to spend over the 5 years as a minimum. £100m is a lot of money. Arsene Wenger had spent a net sum of £8m in 9 years and look at how we finish above you  Im sure every UK club except Chelsea would love to have £100m to spend and not have to sell. You need a new keeper, left winger and a defensive midfielder and that's it really. RvN, Rooney, Saha, Smith, Cronaldo, Rio, Heinze, Brown, Silvestre, O'Shea, Fletcher, Scholes, the Nevilles, Richardson etc are the basis of a team for the next 5 years no probs. You also have a couple of youngsters coming through, (whats the name of that Italian kid who scores for fun) who will add to the squad. Will it really take the full £100m to buy 3 players? Sure, but what has that got to do with Glazer? Blame Fergie, blame the former board but you cant blame Glazer. Perhaps this will encourage Fergie to look to his youth academy once more. This is surely a good thing? Again, you cant blame Glazer for that. He wants to cash in on the fans and the only way he can do that is to ensure man utd are successful on the pitchTicket prices have already gone up so u cant blame Glazer for that. Will he really jack the prices up even more? no. he's an intelligent business man and realises that the fans are important to his finances. its scaremongering. In regards to Arsenal, what you've glossed over is the fact that we arent a mega rich club nor do we have a sugar daddy. we are in the position we are now (solely) thanks to Wenger's shrewd purchases. We needed to expand our capacity by building a new stadium to be able to compete with you and the fact that Emirates want to give us £100m for nothing in return is fantastic news. Barcelona will have a sponser on their shirt next season and even Chelsea with their mega bucks will do. These things are financial reality. oh you are away with the fairies arent you? wot a lovely short novel that would make... Seems to me and I think I speak for all outsiders when I say that u mancs are scapegoating Glazer and accusing him of all sorts of things before his seat is even warm. there's no way ur scare tactics are going to get the ordinary fan on ur side and that is what this super league myth is trying to do. u seems to forget that alot of europeans can also speak english and would it be so hard for you to learn how to say 'you're shit and you know you are' or some other chant in another language? Will u come back here and admit ur wrong if Man utd do better in the lge and europe than they did this season? |
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Post by Cantona7 on May 18, 2005 19:50:56 GMT -5
Good Argument Fact: 100 Million over 5 years (Wigan will have a bigger budget than that). We currently have 0 every year, but still manage to buy big (Rio, Rooney, Ruud) Fergie was told by the last board that he had to sell before he could buy. he no longer has to do that. And he has the £100m to spend over the 5 years as a minimum. £100m is a lot of money. Arsene Wenger had spent a net sum of £8m in 9 years and look at how we finish above you Im sure every UK club except Chelsea would love to have £100m to spend and not have to sell. You need a new keeper, left winger and a defensive midfielder and that's it really. RvN, Rooney, Saha, Smith, Cronaldo, Rio, Heinze, Brown, Silvestre, O'Shea, Fletcher, Scholes, the Nevilles, Richardson etc are the basis of a team for the next 5 years no probs. You also have a couple of youngsters coming through, (whats the name of that Italian kid who scores for fun) who will add to the squad. Will it really take the full £100m to buy 3 players? Sure, but what has that got to do with Glazer? Blame Fergie, blame the former board but you cant blame Glazer. Perhaps this will encourage Fergie to look to his youth academy once more. This is surely a good thing? Again, you cant blame Glazer for that. He wants to cash in on the fans and the only way he can do that is to ensure man utd are successful on the pitchTicket prices have already gone up so u cant blame Glazer for that. Will he really jack the prices up even more? no. he's an intelligent business man and realises that the fans are important to his finances. its scaremongering. In regards to Arsenal, what you've glossed over is the fact that we arent a mega rich club nor do we have a sugar daddy. we are in the position we are now (solely) thanks to Wenger's shrewd purchases. We needed to expand our capacity by building a new stadium to be able to compete with you and the fact that Emirates want to give us £100m for nothing in return is fantastic news. Barcelona will have a sponser on their shirt next season and even Chelsea with their mega bucks will do. These things are financial reality. oh you are away with the fairies arent you? wot a lovely short novel that would make... Seems to me and I think I speak for all outsiders when I say that u mancs are scapegoating Glazer and accusing him of all sorts of things before his seat is even warm. there's no way ur scare tactics are going to get the ordinary fan on ur side and that is what this super league myth is trying to do. u seems to forget that alot of europeans can also speak english and would it be so hard for you to learn how to say 'you're shit and you know you are' or some other chant in another language? Will u come back here and admit ur wrong if Man utd do better in the lge and europe than they did this season? No I won't come back and admit I was wrong In the short term, we may well do better (We can't do any fucking worse). Fergie was told last year and the year before to sell. Its a tactic used to keep the share prices from changing too much. Glazer is quoted as saying £100 million over 5 years. He has'nt said yet, where that will come from (It may well need to come from sales - JP Morgan won't be throwing any more cash at him). Remember, he has to double the current profit to pay the interest alone (The sums don't add up) We are purely looking at the long term of the club, which as it looks, is bleak (You just have to look at Leeds - 92 Champions 99-2002 spending more cash than the Sultan of Bairain - 2005 mid table of the Championship). We are only pre-judging the man on his motives, which are clearly profit making - In the real world, most hostile takeovers result in redundancies and the breaking up of a businesses assets - I hope I don't have to queue up to long in the Tescos superstore, Sir Matt Busby Way, before I go to the City of Manchester Stadium for a home game against the Emirate Gunners in a few years I'm off to bed now. Am enjoying this debate By the banks of the river Irwell, to the shores of Sicilly, We will fight fight fight for United, Till we win our football team, To Hell with Liverpool, to Hell with Man city (The're Shit), We will fight fight fight for United, till we win our football team |
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Post by Noel's Barmy Army on May 18, 2005 20:11:37 GMT -5
in regards to the debt, Ill quote the ever-knowledgable feckarse his motive may very well be profit making but to make the profit he wants he has to ensure that the club are successful on the pitch. surely its a two way street - its a win-win situation? seriously tho, if Nike or Budweiser offered £150m for the next 8 years so it becomes The Old Trafford Nike/Budweiser Arena, you would take their money and laugh at them - its no different to having vodaphone spelt out in the stands. Id have Nike temporarily tatooed on my forehead for £150! stop reading the nonsense from shareholders-united, get behing Glazer and give him time. |
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Post by masterplan200 on May 18, 2005 23:13:23 GMT -5
*grinning*
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Post by Moorish on May 20, 2005 11:20:43 GMT -5
Can I just say, I think this sort of debate is a great advert for the fans of English football. I am a Gooner myself and my own personal opinion leans more toward the side of Noel's Barmy Army ("well dur!", they all say), but as far as Cantona7 goes I think it's to be applauded that you both put forward your viewpoints with clarity, conciseness and passion. I have no desire to see English football sold off down the Swanney, and I agree with NBA that there is a lot of scaremongering going on right now with regard to Glazer and his plans. I think the guy is an arsehole but he could turn out to be a good thing for United. Nothing is certain at this point. Obviously part of me hopes he fucks you up royally but hey, I'm a Gooner and I'm only human  I like C7's honesty as well about the nature of much of Man Utd's fanbase. It's disgusting when proper fans like yourself are paying nearly a G a year to watch home games. But at the end of the day football is a business, to trot out the cliche. You put your goods on the market, sooner or later someone's going to buy them. Enjoying the debate, fellas. Hope we thrash the shit out of you tomorrow all the same, though. |
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Post by StepOut on May 20, 2005 13:22:08 GMT -5
this is sad, Glazer can't even look after the Buccaneers.
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