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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 25, 2018 12:45:14 GMT -5
What would you consider Oasis' biggest mistake to be? Try to limit your answer to only one (i.e., biggest mistake).
Has to be the constant fucking up of the tracklists (mostly SOTSOG, HC, and DOYS). It may have been difficult to fully ressurect HC, but SOTSOG and DOYS could, neigh should have been, genuine classics - the songs were there!
I feel most will say the democratic songwriting with LAG's contributions, which is very much related to my main complaint of the wrong tracklists.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2018 13:01:43 GMT -5
The ship sailed a long time before SOTSOG or HC were released
Releasing BHN and fucking up that US tour 1996 were easily their biggest mistake
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Post by pepsisupernova on Aug 25, 2018 14:17:58 GMT -5
Heathen Chemistry. That is all.
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Aug 25, 2018 16:40:40 GMT -5
not fully recording see the sun and putting it on the supersonic single
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 25, 2018 16:52:10 GMT -5
After BHN they needed a well deserved break.
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Post by Flashbax on Aug 25, 2018 17:02:10 GMT -5
August 1996.
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Post by mimmihopps on Aug 25, 2018 17:08:45 GMT -5
Dig Out Your Soul
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Post by Headmaster on Aug 25, 2018 17:35:13 GMT -5
Tracklisting I guess, Noel didn't know how to manage his own songs, picking awful songs for albums and wasting perfect songs as b-sides.
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Post by beentherenow on Aug 26, 2018 5:00:42 GMT -5
Not taking a full year off after Knebworth.
They had been working constantly for 3 years or so as DM and MG all rolled into one mega cycle. Enjoy the time off and the wealth, go back into the studio in late 97 after the hype had died a little and give everyone a bit of time to catch their breath. Whilst I love BHN, I think it would have made a better album if they’d have waited a bit
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Post by mancraider on Aug 26, 2018 8:42:07 GMT -5
For me it was Noel taking over lead vocals on increasing amounts of songs. Oasis as a cohesive band was noel playing guitar and writing songs with Liam singing. As Liam said in supersonic, if Noel is going to sing the songs as well then what is he doing? It was the start of the end imo.
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Post by mkoasis on Aug 26, 2018 17:42:45 GMT -5
As a fan, I'd say: in the later days, relying too much on DM and MG songs (plus a handful of new album tracks) in the setlist. This way they pushed themselves into nostalgia act territory. There were so many great live songs from 1997-2009 like Gas Panic or SCYHO that should have remained setlist regulars.
In terms of publicity: definitely the bad press in the US from 1996
In terms of posterity: track selection for albums. The songs were almost always there, they just weren't picked! B-sides like Lets all Make Believe, Idlers Dream, and the Richard Fearless mix of TBWTL really should have made the album.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 18:26:21 GMT -5
Not releasing Better Let You Know as the debut single.
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Post by powerage09 on Sept 5, 2018 15:54:09 GMT -5
Splitting up.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 5, 2018 16:24:46 GMT -5
The milk went bad a long long time before they broke up. Almost like two totally different bands. |
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Post by fartpanic on Sept 6, 2018 9:16:23 GMT -5
Whilst everyone is bang on about Noel not being able to pick a tracklisting - all it would have done after 97 is create a better album "for the fans". Nothing in those b-sides was like a hidden multi platinum selling single like Wonderwall that they just happened to hide away. They could have made SOTSOG, HC and DOYS much better, but at that point nothing was going to truly win back or create new fans.
There's a big sense of missed oppurtunity with Oasis and Noel knows it. Like people have said above the BHN tour was their make or break tour for becoming truly massive (on scale of U2) or being confined to playing lap of honour tours in the UK for the rest of their careers. They sadly ended up doing the latter. (as much as i do however think theres so many great tours and songs within them years that are now massively overlooked by the public and media).
The attitude of the Supersonic doc annoys me. Maybe its Noel's sort of way of dealing with the fact they never became household names in the US by talking as if they just did well to get to the point they did. Yes, they did incredibly well to be playing Knebworth by that point, but i think he knows there should have been an extra part of the story that shown them emulating Beatlemania in the US.
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Post by Anonymous on Sept 6, 2018 12:08:37 GMT -5
In the 90s, Noel attributing Liam's fuckwittery to his character rather than his age. Noel was doing the same shit Liam did when he was Liam's age, but the only difference was he was a roadie or whatever his job was before that dropping e in techno clubs and it didn't matter. Noel's simmering resentment that he wasn't getting to sing his songs, made him construe everything Liam did without the benefit of the doubt. Cutting tours or shows short b/c of his voice was b/c he was an asshole, not a medical issue (why on earth did it take until 2008 to diagnose the Hashimoto's??) or just part and parcel of having a 22 year old lead singer who's brain is still developing, and who will eventually mellow with age.
Of course this led to the yo-yo of Liam and Noel both singing lead without a real backup role for Liam, fuel to the fire. And as an American it was confusing, I'd been a fan with albums but not a superfan going to shows. I read about them breaking up in the paper around 2000, saw news on MTV of Noel doing a gig by himself, and assumed they'd moved on. I had no idea they'd quickly gotten back together, that didn't make the American papers. Also the lineup change. I'm pretty sure the tv show Lost added to American confusion as everyone thought Charlie was one of the Gallagher brothers, and his character's band was defunct (I'm only half kidding, Lost was huge in the mid 2000s).
I'd also blame management making the 'brother vs. brother' such a narrative theme of Oasis. Wibbling Rivalry is hilarious, but did it help or hurt the situation? Giving Noel a Rolls and Liam a watch in front of each other was so stupid and reflected management's attitude pitting them in competition with each other instead of making it easier for them to communicate, understand stand each other, and work together. Theoretically, I'll always wondered if they'd gotten along better, would they have been able to become a true songwriting duo like Lennon-McCartney? Liam has real talent, and Noel had written so many songs by the late 90s, that he could've really used some creative backup. But, I know some people don't like working with someone else, it may be going too far to believe that was a missed opportunity.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2018 12:25:57 GMT -5
The lack of Guigs and Bonehead post-1999.  |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Sept 6, 2018 13:41:07 GMT -5
- Not playing 'The Game' in the USA.
- Be Here Now.
- Using quality material as B-Sides.
- Following up albums too quickly.
- Muted musical ambition: Be Here Now and the 3 album plan. The Heathen Chemistry regression.
- Poor tracklist choices.
- Saving songs for later albums when they were needed there and then: Little by Little, Stop the Clocks, Record Machine, Come On Outside...
- The lack of rock songs post Be Here Now.
- Giving up too much album space to Liam, Andy and Gem written songs.
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Post by rekrelf on Sept 6, 2018 14:48:22 GMT -5
-MTV unplugged without Liam
-USA 96
-Bringing out The Masterplan as a b-side, not as a single
-that Noel left the band on the 2000 tour
-playing Knebworth only 2 days and not five, or ten
-starting to release remixes as b-sides
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Post by jojoww1877 on Sept 6, 2018 18:01:21 GMT -5
To be honest Oasis wouldn't be the same if they hadn't blown it all up. It's part of the history and what makes the band special in a way.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 6, 2018 18:18:51 GMT -5
To be honest Oasis wouldn't be the same if they hadn't blown it all up. It's part of the history and what makes the band special in a way. Bollocks. The media salivated over Oasis ending how they did. For a band that never "played the game", it irks me that Oasis gave the media and their critics exactly what they wanted. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 6, 2018 18:59:20 GMT -5
- Not playing 'The Game' in the USA. - Be Here Now. - Using quality material as B-Sides. - Following up albums too quickly. - Muted musical ambition: Be Here Now and the 3 album plan. The Heathen Chemistry regression. - Poor tracklist choices. - Saving songs for later albums when they were needed there and then: Little by Little, Stop the Clocks, Record Machine, Come On Outside... - The lack of rock songs post Be Here Now. - Giving up too much album space to Liam, Andy and Gem written songs. When Oasis was huge in America, late 95 to early 97, they were playing the game. Extensive touring of the states from 1994 to 1997 (49 on DM tour, 39 gigs on MG, 19 gigs on BHN tour). They did all the music magazine interviews, did all the TV spots (Letterman, Leno, etc), appeared all over MTV, VH1 and Much Music. I'm not sure what else they could have done on that front. |
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Post by globe on Sept 7, 2018 1:05:06 GMT -5
To be honest Oasis wouldn't be the same if they hadn't blown it all up. It's part of the history and what makes the band special in a way. Agree. |
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Post by mancraider on Sept 7, 2018 2:54:45 GMT -5
- Not playing 'The Game' in the USA. - Be Here Now. - Using quality material as B-Sides. - Following up albums too quickly. - Muted musical ambition: Be Here Now and the 3 album plan. The Heathen Chemistry regression. - Poor tracklist choices. - Saving songs for later albums when they were needed there and then: Little by Little, Stop the Clocks, Record Machine, Come On Outside... - The lack of rock songs post Be Here Now. - Giving up too much album space to Liam, Andy and Gem written songs. When Oasis was huge in America, late 95 to early 97, they were playing the game. Extensive touring of the states from 1994 to 1997 (49 on DM tour, 39 gigs on MG, 19 gigs on BHN tour). They did all the music magazine interviews, did all the TV spots (Letterman, Leno, etc), appeared all over MTV, VH1 and Much Music. I'm not sure what else they could have done on that front. I think the only way they can be said to have 'refused to play the game' is that they didn't try and change their imagine to suit American taste. They stayed true to their drunken confrontational character and as a consequence didn't endear themselves to enough of the public, who didnt really get them the way UK audiences did, that when the hits dried up they faded away quickly. The working class mentality of being hostile to authority is a deeply ingrained British chatacterisitic that doesn't always translate well. |
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Post by popeyebonaparte on Sept 7, 2018 14:06:31 GMT -5
Letting frayed tempers get in the way of what could have been an even better album than DBTT and releasing DOYS without Record Machine and the other much better songs than some of the crap that eventually got released.
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