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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 10, 2018 11:35:35 GMT -5
Cosmic Pop. It's such a Noel description, innit.
I don't really see WBTM as being all that too different from his previous material.
Holy Mountain, Beautiful World, She Taught Me How To Fly, Black & White Sunshine, The Man Who Built the Moon are all ace.
So yeah, I'm a fan - why the fuck not?
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jul 10, 2018 11:45:59 GMT -5
I see it as pretty different. I like it, but I think I prefer classic noel sounding tunes. That being said, we have this album and that's fantastic. I'd like him to try it again, maybe he can improve the sounds and make the leap to something that sounds entirely new for him.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 10, 2018 11:54:19 GMT -5
I see it as pretty different. I like it, but I think I prefer classic noel sounding tunes. That being said, we have this album and that's fantastic. I'd like him to try it again, maybe he can improve the sounds and make the leap to something that sounds entirely new for him. I really love TMWTM. It has a very DOYS vibe too it. Would love Noel to do more cinematic and atmospheric tracks.
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Post by The Escapist on Jul 10, 2018 11:56:45 GMT -5
It's better than fucking "Noel-rock".
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Jul 10, 2018 13:00:36 GMT -5
It's good, but it's never going to win over any new fans. I think Noel has made it clear who his target audience are, in that it is anyone who liked Oasis who isn't a "parka monkey". Whilst there are obviously a shit load of them, he will probably lose more fans than he gains.
That being said, he's clearly one of the greatest (if not THE greatest) songwriters at the moment. WBTM is great. Take out the two instrumentals and add in two songs (which, judging by his song-writing form since 2008, would be two bangers) and you've potentially got an absolute classic.
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Post by freddy838 on Jul 10, 2018 13:20:42 GMT -5
Not for me mate. I just don't like over half the material. I think Noel is capable of doing an experimental album on his own now. I think the few songs I do like would have fit on Chasing Yesterday anyway.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jul 10, 2018 16:47:13 GMT -5
I like cosmic pop.
TBWBTM isn't cosmic pop though. Not in my eyes (or ears) anyway.
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Post by eva on Jul 10, 2018 17:14:07 GMT -5
whatever it is, it's not my bag of chips hope he got it out of his system
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Post by The Chief on Jul 11, 2018 11:58:04 GMT -5
I love it. I was confused a bit at first but honestly, it's still Noel's music and songwriting behind it. I've always been a fan of Noel's songs more than his style. He's been trying new styles on every solo record and I always loved them, sometimes more than his more Oasis-like songs like Record Machine and Stop The Clocks that are just bloody boring.
When I first heard What a Life, The Right Stuff, Ballad of the Mighty I, I loved them all instantly. Ballad is still one of my favourite songs of all time and I still listen to it regularly.
This last record was no surprise to me in that I always thought he'd go on a more ecclectic route. I love it as a record and as a collection of songs which to me are two very different things. I'm not gonna say Holy Mountain is as amazing as The Man Who Built The Moon, which is my favourite off the record. There are various degrees of quality in the songs. But I love the record and the only reason I would mind if he stayed in that route is because it COULD become stale and repetitive.
But if anything, the "cosmic pop" thing has led be to look forward to what he's going to put out in the future. If that was his final album, I think it would be a great one to end with too. Although it would be a shame to never have new songs the likes of Dead in the Water which is as Noel as can be.
Now as much as I sound like a fanboy, I can assure you that my feelings are genuine. The first time I heard She Taught Me To Fly (my least favourite on the record) I was really disappointed and afraid of what would actually be on there. Even now it's not a song I never skip. Sometimes the alarm clock gets on my nerves on Fort Knox too. But all in all I really love this era.
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Post by bathqueen1 on Jul 12, 2018 1:45:11 GMT -5
its a bunch of dull 3 chords songs with some horns&synths added into the production. thats it. Callin it an experiment would be embarassing. Noel cant experiment - check out his remix for Becks devils haircut and see how musicly-restrained Noel is
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Post by crisppacket on Jul 12, 2018 7:07:51 GMT -5
If he makes more stuff like TMWBTM I’m all for this direction
If the next ones a bunch of holy mountains......................................
Not for me mate, not for me
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Post by spaneli on Jul 12, 2018 12:30:04 GMT -5
its a bunch of dull 3 chords songs with some horns&synths added into the production. thats it. Callin it an experiment would be embarassing. Noel cant experiment - check out his remix for Becks devils haircut and see how musicly-restrained Noel is Experimenting isn't based on how many chords you have. Tomorrow Never Knows is 1 chord and is one of the most experimental pop songs ever made.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 13:07:06 GMT -5
I think you're right and much of it wouldn't sit too awkwardly with Chasing Yesterday. It's actually not very mad at all. In fact, a combination of the two albums might be something great. Who Built the Moon? lacks songs for me. There are 3 instrumentals, 1 of which is too long (a recurring theme) and the other 2 add little or nothing. You're then down to 8, at least another 3 of which drag on and on. Better than I thought on first listen, but it's half-finished imo. I guess the worst thing is that barely any of it has any emotional impact at all.
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Post by warewolf95 on Jul 12, 2018 15:59:53 GMT -5
whatever it is, it's not my bag of chips hope he got it out of his system You and me both. Chasing Yesterday (if you also include the bonus tracks and b-sides) is one of the best albums in the entire Oasis-related oeuvre, imo. Artistically I get that WBTM is great but it is completely not my cup either. Where's the anthemic singalong rockers and the beautiful balladry? I'm not one at all for elctronic hoo-ha and dance music and psychedelia, etc
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 17:38:12 GMT -5
The whole "Cosmic Pop" thing is the biggest fraud since fuck knows when. "Who Built The Moon" is a banal and uninspired pop record. And after all, it's not that grave, even if that would be cool to see NG really experiment. Does he have anything new to say anyway ? I'd be happy if he proves me wrong and releases a great album in the next few years but there is already plenty of other artists (old or new) to discover.
And if Noel was deciding to stop music tomorrow, I wouldn't be sad cos' he's one of my biggest musical heroes and he wrote about 40 songs that are close to my heart, so I'll always be thankful for that. Just don't try to pull the wool over the eyes with his solo career.
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Post by marqueemoon on Jul 13, 2018 0:28:48 GMT -5
I think it's a promising start, but not a particularly memorable album. I'll agree with others and say there isn't much "cosmic" about it which was just typical Noel pre-album hype. The songwriting isn't up to par with his first two solo albums, which is a shame because Holmes did a great job producing. My first listen to Holy Mountain gave me flashbacks to listening to Bring The Light for the first time. Holmes on the boards for an album as quality as Chasing Yesterday? Now we're talking.
Not gonna fault Noel for trying something new though. I hope he continues to grow and doesn't immediately abandon his experimental inclinations as he did during the transition between SOTSOG and Heathen Chemistry. It's a Beautiful World, She Taught Me How To Fly and If Love Is the Law show potential.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jul 13, 2018 2:57:43 GMT -5
When I think of "cosmic pop" I think of Tame Impala and the likes. WBTM is an album with a few interesting elements, and it might be new for Noel, but most of the things he tried on this album have been done since the 60s.
Initially I wasn't very impressed with the album, but I soon decided I actually did like it. And then that wore off again. It's not a bad album by any means, but I never listen to it. The only ones I still listen to every now and then are Fort Knox and the instrumental. Maybe the man who built the moon if it happens to come on on shuffle. I grew tired of this album much faster than I did of CY or HFB. I still find myself actually wanting to listen to songs from those 2 albums. I don't know why that is. Stronger songs? Easier on the ears? Who knows.
I do like the sound of this album, but the debut remains my favourite. The production is crap, but it shows his strengths in songwriting and singing. It's great to "experiment" and I'm all for Holmes producing the next one, but the songs shouldn't have to suffer just because it HAS to be different. That seems forced to me, just like having to write in the studio. Being different shouldn't be the thing you so desperately want to achieve. Writing good songs should be that.
Having said that, I don't think for one second that he will write another album as great as the first 2 Oasis albums, but remember he's doing this for the fun. He knows it won't sell millions, and he also knows he'd never have to work again if he wanted to. I'm just glad he's still making music and touring, and I'm happy if he releases something every few years and it has at least a couple of good songs on it.
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Post by Stemot on Jul 29, 2018 7:13:51 GMT -5
Nah, there's maybe 3 good songs at a push. Not for me.
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Post by Parka Flames on Jul 29, 2018 7:27:02 GMT -5
34 votes each? It's a dead heat. WBTM is The Last Jedi of NG albums.
Haven't really felt compelled to return to this album, whereas AYW kept me coming back for a while. May give it a listen soon. A lot of the songs just don't sound finished.
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Post by anothergreatdivide on Jul 29, 2018 21:00:03 GMT -5
The album is bloody great - possibly my favourite NGHFB album. But man that production is horrific, talk about a wall of sound.
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Post by bt95 on Jul 30, 2018 13:02:35 GMT -5
The album is bloody great - possibly my favourite NGHFB album. But man that production is horrific, talk about a wall of sound. I like the production, love the album For me, Holy Mountain, Beautiful World, STMHTF and TMWBTM, DITW are up there with Noel's finest solo tunes. Easily top 10 all of them. Fort Knox and Keep On Reaching aren't far behind. Holy Mountain may be one of my favourite ever Gallagher tunes as well. Can't get enough of it.
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Post by yeayeayeah on Jul 31, 2018 2:32:06 GMT -5
its a bunch of dull 3 chords songs with some horns&synths added into the production. thats it. Callin it an experiment would be embarassing. Noel cant experiment - check out his remix for Becks devils haircut and see how musicly-restrained Noel is Experimenting isn't based on how many chords you have. Tomorrow Never Knows is 1 chord and is one of the most experimental pop songs ever made. Yes, but that is the exception for Beatles songs. Beatles chord progressions are very imaginative and use chords that aren't just the "cowboy" chords Noel uses. Not that it bothers me because the man can write amazing melodies that go over them but imagine what he could do if he knew more chords.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jul 31, 2018 3:38:48 GMT -5
Question: What do you people consider as experimental and what would you like Noel to do?
Also, if something has been done numerous times before, like speeding up tape loops or playing them backwards or god knows what, and if someone does it again now, could you still call that experimental?
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Post by bt95 on Jul 31, 2018 3:40:08 GMT -5
Experimenting isn't based on how many chords you have. Tomorrow Never Knows is 1 chord and is one of the most experimental pop songs ever made. Yes, but that is the exception for Beatles songs. Beatles chord progressions are very imaginative and use chords that aren't just the "cowboy" chords Noel uses. Not that it bothers me because the man can write amazing melodies that go over them but imagine what he could do if he knew more chords. Pretty sure Noel does actually know more chords than G, C and D, like. The chord progression in Lets All Make Believe is up there melodically with the best of them. Absolutely beautiful. And heck, even Magic Pie, for all its faults, has a glorious progression.
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Post by oasisserbia on Jul 31, 2018 9:32:57 GMT -5
Question: What would you like Noel to do? To make good music.
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