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Post by coconutstall on Apr 19, 2018 7:51:55 GMT -5
Yes I know Be Here Now is great and sold well, but Definitely Maybe and Morning Glory are viewed more favourably by the general public. If Oasis' third album was for a combination of The Masterplan and Be Here Now as seen below, ho would most people see them now? Would they be viewed as an all time top 5 great rock band by most? Would they have properly have infiltrated the US, would the momentum have driven them on to in improved 4th album?
1. Acquiesce
2. Underneath the Sky
3. Listen Up
4. Fade Away
5. Talk Tonight
6. Rockin’ Chair
7. It’s Good To Be Free
8. Don’t Go Away
9. Stand By Me
10. D’You Know What I Mean?
11. Stay Young
12. All Around the World
13. The Masterplan
I also want to explain my track listing, starting with rockers but then the middle bit from track 5-9 tells the story surrounding Talk Tonight, things getting slower and more melancholy. But then it kicks back into gear with D'You Know What I mean? (considered BHN and I Hope, I think, I Know but D'You Know What I mean is just better) and finishes off with the uplifting Stay Young, All Around The World and The Masterplan signing off the biggest album from the World's biggest band. Acquiesce, The Masterplan, D'You Know What I Mean?, Listen Up and Rockin' Chair could have been your singles (in that order).
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Post by Parka Flames on Apr 19, 2018 8:31:47 GMT -5
Well I would definitely think they were the worst band in the world because they left It's Getting Better (Man!!) off the album.
Honestly though, I don't think even a different track listing would have saved BHN from the coming tidal wave of negative public opinion. It seems to me the thing that turned a lot of people off Oasis in 1997 was the realization that they were essentially a one trick pony. There was no innovation or change in the sound between DM/MG and BHN. Obviously there was with SOTSOG, but people hated it so much Noel quickly went back to basics for subsequent efforts. Honestly I don't believe Oasis would have become the next U2 even if the album had a track listing as strong as the one you have suggested.
Britpop was coming to an end and the British public (not to mention the US) were quickly starting to become disenchanted with Noel and Liam's constant appearances in the tabloids. That's not to put the blame on the band at all - I don't - but it certainly tarnished their image.
Plus, as someone here has mentioned before, I love all those B-sides as they are now. If The Masterplan and Talk Tonight had been given the "Phil Spector on coke" treatment like Don't Go Away and Stand By Me were I would probably skip them every time.
If Oasis had gone on hiatus around the time of Knebworth and allowed hype to grow for a few years, then come back with an album combining the best bits of BHN & SOTSOG around 2000, the story would probably be different.
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Post by supernovadragon on Apr 19, 2018 8:34:06 GMT -5
Every so often this subject comes up (has in my mind also) but what you would lose in that tracklisting is the Some Might Say single being the complete package it is. Some Might Say without Acquiesce and Talk Tonight as b-sides? Fade Away and Listen Up being dragged from the Definitely Maybe era where they were b-sides to feature on the album? No, it wouldn't have been a hit and part of the reason, I have said it before, that Oasis became the biggest band they did was the b-sides. Take them out and you lose part of the magic
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Post by supernovadragon on Apr 19, 2018 8:39:12 GMT -5
Well I would definitely think they were the worst band in the world because they left It's Getting Better (Man!!) off the album. Honestly though, I don't think even a different track listing would have saved BHN from the coming tidal wave of negative public opinion. It seems to me the thing that turned a lot of people off Oasis in 1997 was the realization that they were essentially a one trick pony. There was no innovation or change in the sound between DM/MG and BHN. Obviously there was with SOTSOG, but people hated it so much Noel quickly went back to basics for subsequent efforts. Honestly I don't believe Oasis would have become the next U2 even if the album had a track listing as strong as the one you have suggested. Britpop was coming to an end and the British public (not to mention the US) were quickly starting to become disenchanted with Noel and Liam's constant appearances in the tabloids. That's not to put the blame on the band at all - I don't - but it certainly tarnished their image. Plus, as someone here has mentioned before, I love all those B-sides as they are now. If The Masterplan and Talk Tonight had been given the "Phil Spector on coke" treatment like Don't Go Away and Stand By Me were I would probably skip them every time. If Oasis had gone on hiatus around the time of Knebworth and allowed hype to grow for a few years, then come back with an album combining the best bits of BHN & SOTSOG around 2000, the story would probably be different.[/b] I never even considered what an album could be like with the best of both Be Here Now and Standing...be a complete change...would have been interesting |
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Post by The Escapist on Apr 19, 2018 9:47:17 GMT -5
I have The Masterplan on my Be Here Now playlist now in the place of Magic Pie...all the other b-sides don't quite fit somehow, but I think The Masterplan should have been saved. Having that as a single would have improved the record's appeal and legacy massively.
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Post by supernovadragon on Apr 19, 2018 10:15:49 GMT -5
I have The Masterplan on my Be Here Now playlist now in the place of Magic Pie...all the other b-sides don't quite fit somehow, but I think The Masterplan should have been saved. Having that as a single would have improved the record's appeal and legacy massively. Does that really flow with The Masterplan as track 3? I'm curious as I can't imagine The Masterplan anywhere else on a playlist/album but towards the end. Or have you just altered the tracklisting altogether? |
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Post by The Escapist on Apr 19, 2018 10:35:39 GMT -5
I have The Masterplan on my Be Here Now playlist now in the place of Magic Pie...all the other b-sides don't quite fit somehow, but I think The Masterplan should have been saved. Having that as a single would have improved the record's appeal and legacy massively. Does that really flow with The Masterplan as track 3? I'm curious as I can't imagine The Masterplan anywhere else on a playlist/album but towards the end. Or have you just altered the tracklisting altogether? Well, I went on audacity and edited the tracks so that the noise that's now at the end of My Big Mouth continues into The Masterplan with the whole "get the count in, where is it?" intro and then cuts out as the music starts. Flows pretty nicely, and I don't mind it at track three, and the guitar intro of Stand By Me (which I edited to be 5:25, exactly the same length as The Masterplan) contrasts nicely. |
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Post by beentherenow on Apr 19, 2018 10:43:30 GMT -5
Oasis should have had 12 solid months off after Knebworth; no MTV unplugged, no US tour, no recording. Just gone on holiday and enjoy a well earned rest.
Let the hype die down a little, let the Verve and Radiohead have 1997 and come back late 1998 with an album which should have been more considered and wasn’t fraught with issues. I think most people agree that the songs were more or less there but the way it sounded and it’s length was polarising. A Morning Gloryesque Stand By Me or Don’t Go Away would be beautiful, instead any orchestral sounds are drowned by 50 layers of guitar and distortion
The track listing would have been more or less the same with maybe a few SOTSOG tracks like Go Let It Out to add some clarity and less coke
The likes of Don’t Go Away and All Around The World were earmarked for the third album from day one but they probably wouldn’t have been produced the way they were if done at a later date. Let the songs do the talking not the bravado
SOTSOG and songs like Where Did It All Go Wrong would probably never have been written as a result and maybe Bonehead and Guigs wouldn’t have quit.
When you read and hear the story of the recording of Be Here Now it really is beggars belief it was allowed to be released and nobody at any point thought ‘hang on don’t you think we should put these sessions on hold? This records is going to be quite a big deal’
But to answer you question, if Be Here Now was a success anywhere near MG levels they’d be in the stratosphere of Floyd, Stones and Zep in the UK as it happens they’re a level or 2 below
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Post by crisppacket on Apr 19, 2018 11:14:53 GMT -5
The album brought us magic pie, it’s as perfect as it can get.
Thanks.
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Post by Headmaster on Apr 19, 2018 13:18:40 GMT -5
Blame Magic Pie.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 19, 2018 13:29:45 GMT -5
I think with a band like Oasis, it was always inevitable that the bubble would burst.
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Post by Headmaster on Apr 19, 2018 13:58:35 GMT -5
I think with a band like Oasis, it was always inevitable that the bubble would burst. I've said it here before, Oasis were a dysfunctional band that somehow functioned. They made it big time, but also it was a matter of time that their bubble would burst. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Apr 19, 2018 14:17:49 GMT -5
The bubble would have burst but perhaps with foresight the band could have changed off the back of a successful 'Be Here Now', particularly if it rehabilitated them in the USA in terms of media coverage, into the RHCP/U2 format where they released a high selling album backed by stadium dates every four to five years whilst perhaps pursuing their own projects in between.
It would have undoubtedly led to a change in the band style away from the constant chaos and touring from 1993-1998 but if 'Be Here Now' had achieved such success it would also have prolonged the band and maybe also led to a change in style to what followed as well, with Noel for example not being stung by such criticism might have either continued to make similar sounding records or go the other way and be emboldened to expand on his dance based collaborations more with Oasis on a fourth LP.
It's an interesting era of the band to debate in a "what if?" scenario but I have written before that changing musical and much wider social landscapes at the time, particularly in the UK, combined with some poor decisions prior to the release of the album and during the subsequent tour meant the band were never going to carry on at such heights.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Apr 19, 2018 14:19:07 GMT -5
The album brought us magic pie, it’s as perfect as it can get. Thanks. I may have ranted about this before but for it's Tony Blair nicking lyrics alone I disqualify it as perfect  |
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Post by crisppacket on Apr 19, 2018 14:34:57 GMT -5
The album brought us magic pie, it’s as perfect as it can get. Thanks. I may have ranted about this before but for it's Tony Blair nicking lyrics alone I disqualify it as perfect But you can use the magic pie to smack TB in the face, gets his just desserts so to speak |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 19, 2018 20:25:00 GMT -5
Magic Pie is the absolute bollocks, mate! |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Apr 19, 2018 21:09:40 GMT -5
Magic Pie is absolute bollocks, mate! Agreed   |
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Post by Headmaster on Apr 19, 2018 22:42:09 GMT -5
Magic Pie is the absolute bollocks, mate!  |
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Post by The Escapist on Apr 20, 2018 9:14:25 GMT -5
The playlist I use atm:
BE HERE NOW
1) D'You Know What I Mean? [Rethink with bits of the original edited in]
2) My Big Mouth
3) The Masterplan
4) Stand By Me [Edited to 5:25]
5) I Hope, I Think, I Know [Original]
6) The Girl in the Dirty Shirt
7) Going Nowhere
8) Fade In/Out [Edited to 6:23]
9) Don't Go Away
10) Be Here Now
11) All Around the World [Edited to 8:51]
12) We're Gettin' Better (Man!!) [Improved title and edited to 6:01]
13) All Around the World (Reprise)
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Post by fartpanic on Apr 22, 2018 13:00:34 GMT -5
I think people are a bit too critical of Oasis on here at times.
It simply would not be Oasis if they picked every track listing perfectly and released an immaculate first 3 albums. That isnt what they were. The spark was there because they did things the way they did them. Make Liam a professional musician who stayed off alcohol and drugs and did all of the US Tour and MTV Unplugged etc and played the game - would it be the Oasis you fell in love with?
I'm not saying he should have done things the way he did, nor should Be Here Now have sounded the way it did, but let's not sit here rewriting history to make them corporate squares like u2 or Coldplay.
Oasis are THE band in the UK that everyone wants back. They are even bigger than some of you make out on here. Their reputation will only improve as time goes and people appreciate the back catalogue for what it is. Dont worry that Magic Pie is there instead of Stay Young, or that Bonehead didnt have a bit more hair. Personally, I wouldnt change a thing.
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Post by MONO on Apr 22, 2018 13:08:28 GMT -5
If Oasis' 3rd album was a hit how would they be seen today? It was a hit. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Apr 22, 2018 21:26:01 GMT -5
I think people are a bit too critical of Oasis on here at times. Keeps the forum ticking over TBF btw Flatulence Panic is this a younger sibling?  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 4:59:45 GMT -5
BHN could have been bigger and better than both DM and MG and it still wouldn't have made people forget about some of the utter dreck that appeared on SOTSOG, HC, DBTT, and DOYS.
What if they had simply just called it a day after BHN?
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Post by The Escapist on Apr 23, 2018 6:43:11 GMT -5
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Post by popeyebonaparte on Apr 23, 2018 8:16:57 GMT -5
If 8 million copies and the highest selling album of the year isn't a hit, I don't know what is.
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