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Post by corporationtshirt on Mar 4, 2018 11:17:50 GMT -5
Don’t Believe The Truth and Dig Out Your Soul both hit the top 10 of the Billboard 200 in America,the later going to number 3 I believe. This was a huge success in comparisons to the two previous albums, which barely dented the charts there, and weren’t commercially or critically successful.
I was wondering why was it Oasis’ last two albums did so well? The singles (Lyla, I’m outta time, etc..) didn’t exactly chart well there, was it perhaps better promotion? Did the early reviews from Critics reinvent Oasis hype for the Americans? What exactly was it?
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Post by bt95 on Mar 4, 2018 12:25:36 GMT -5
They had a big resurgence in popularity with DBTT (Billboard No.12 I believe). No idea why, but they backed it up with a sell-out summer tour playing arenas/amphitheatres, and the band had 'matured' by then.
Also, they only did a small tour of the States in 2002, so by summer 2005 it'd been over four years since they'd played in the States.
DOYS got to no.5 I think, which is a superb effort. Again, I think it may be because they'd hit their stride as a live band - they weren't as inconsistent/turbulent with their tours etc.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 4, 2018 13:38:19 GMT -5
Don’t let the chart entry numbers fool you. The overall first week sales were less than SOTSOG and HC.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 4, 2018 13:40:34 GMT -5
They had a big resurgence in popularity with DBTT (Billboard No.12 I believe). No idea why, but they backed it up with a sell-out summer tour playing arenas/amphitheatres, and the band had 'matured' by then. Also, they only did a small tour of the States in 2002, so by summer 2005 it'd been over four years since they'd played in the States. DOYS got to no.5 I think, which is a superb effort. Again, I think it may be because they'd hit their stride as a live band - they weren't as inconsistent/turbulent with their tours etc. Was really only 2 years between HC tour and DBTT tours. Hardly any time. Plus they toured USA pretty heavy between 2000-2002 (SOTSOG, Brotherly Love, HC). Healthy dose. |
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Post by bt95 on Mar 4, 2018 13:55:15 GMT -5
They had a big resurgence in popularity with DBTT (Billboard No.12 I believe). No idea why, but they backed it up with a sell-out summer tour playing arenas/amphitheatres, and the band had 'matured' by then. Also, they only did a small tour of the States in 2002, so by summer 2005 it'd been over four years since they'd played in the States. DOYS got to no.5 I think, which is a superb effort. Again, I think it may be because they'd hit their stride as a live band - they weren't as inconsistent/turbulent with their tours etc. Was really only 2 years between HC tour and DBTT tours. Hardly any time. Plus they toured USA pretty heavy between 2000-2002 (SOTSOG, Brotherly Love, HC). Healthy dose. The actual tours in 02 were short though. i.e. - they played two gigs (Las Vegas, Coachella) in April 2002, and then they played the east coast in August/September (?) - and three of those gigs were cancelled. So in total they played 12 gigs in the states that year. Obviously you'll know more than me in regards to why they had the resurgence in 2005, though. In 2002 they played three nights at the Beacon, yet they sold-out MSG in 2005. It was some turnaround really? |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 4, 2018 14:09:18 GMT -5
I think they actually played more USA dates for HC initially. DBTT had an extremely small tour. Maybe 7-8 dates that summer. More that fall but Oasis had been off the charts for months by then.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 4, 2018 15:09:04 GMT -5
Don’t let the chart entry numbers fool you. The overall first week sales were less than SOTSOG and HC. I feel likes broken record (no pun intended). You cannot go by record sales in a post-2000/post-2002 world. |
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Post by liamism on Mar 4, 2018 15:12:43 GMT -5
Coldplay helped them.
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Post by matt on Mar 4, 2018 16:34:29 GMT -5
Don’t let the chart entry numbers fool you. The overall first week sales were less than SOTSOG and HC. I feel likes broken record (no pun intended). You cannot go by record sales in a post-2000/post-2002 world. In this instance you can. The hardcore fanbase were always going to stick around and that's who bought the records in 2005 and 2008, just like in 2002. Other bands fanbase aren't quite as fanatical so it is somewhat misleading to suggest there was a 'resurgence'. Besides, a resurgence can only be measured over time and whether it left a lasting legacy. Does the general public - in the UK as well as the US - really care about Oasis albums after the 1990s? No - there's no general belief that they had a resurgence. The public wouldn't be able to differentiate the last two Oasis albums with the previous two. And the reality is because, although they might be slightly superior, there's no gaping gulf in class with all these post-90s albums. They're all generally the same - ho-hum, mid tempo rockers with a few belters in amongst loads of filler. Absolutely nothing to get excited about. Noel presiding mostly over a snoozefest for all albums, acting more like 'Dead Man Walking' rather than 'The Chief' while Liam's fantastic voice going to waste on shite songs. I'd take the latest solo albums over anything from that Oasis era. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 4, 2018 16:50:52 GMT -5
Don’t let the chart entry numbers fool you. The overall first week sales were less than SOTSOG and HC. I feel likes broken record (no pun intended). You cannot go by record sales in a post-2000/post-2002 world. Sure you can. 2000-2005 were before iTunes got a firm grip on their market and its 10 years before mass streaming. The only thing that impact sales were leaks and illegal fire sharing. The record industry was extremely healthy in 2002-2005ish compared to today. Now record sales don’t mean shit. But the data from 2000, 2002, 2005 can absolutely be used accurately. And let’s be honest, all the post BHN numbers in America are humble and nothing special. Flip on the radar. No resurrgence. |
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Post by bt95 on Mar 4, 2018 16:58:05 GMT -5
I think they actually played more USA dates for HC initially. DBTT had an extremely small tour. Maybe 7-8 dates that summer. More that fall but Oasis had been off the charts for months by then. They did close to 30 US/Canada gigs over the course of the DBTT tour. I get what you mean in terms of that initial tour, but it was clearly penned out to do a small summer tour and then follow it up with the bigger tour in September (and then again the following spring). |
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Post by Headmaster on Mar 4, 2018 17:17:51 GMT -5
Couldn't care less if they broke America or not, they aren't exactly Coldplay "everyone love us please" type band.
America didn't care about them and Noel didn't care about America, Noel would rather do more gigs in South America where people go mad for the band than on America with that zombie somnambulant audience.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 4, 2018 18:41:38 GMT -5
I think they actually played more USA dates for HC initially. DBTT had an extremely small tour. Maybe 7-8 dates that summer. More that fall but Oasis had been off the charts for months by then. They did close to 30 US/Canada gigs over the course of the DBTT tour. I get what you mean in terms of that initial tour, but it was clearly penned out to do a small summer tour and then follow it up with the bigger tour in September (and then again the following spring). But the OP was about their “high” chart placements for DBTT and DOYS. They were barely In America for the DBTT release. In the end despite different charting numbers, the sales were the same. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 4, 2018 23:15:09 GMT -5
Oasis saw a revival in the United States in 2005 with DBTT. I'm not having this revisionist nonsense.
Prior to 2005, it was very popular to hate on Oasis in the US. Oasis lost a lot of respect between 1999 and 2004. Reasons can be speculated for sure, but there is no doubting that Oasis became 'cool' again in 2005.
I'm not sure DOYS did anything proper. I think it was a carry over from 2005 if anything. If Oasis didn't fuck up the second half of that album, along with the second half of the tour, I wonder how big their revival really could have been.
One day a psychologist needs to write a book on Oasis and find the root cause for their continual self-sabotaging.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 5, 2018 1:00:09 GMT -5
Oasis saw a revival in the United States in 2005 with DBTT. I'm not having this revisionist nonsense. Prior to 2005, it was very popular to hate on Oasis in the US. Oasis lost a lot of respect between 1999 and 2004. Reasons can be speculated for sure, but there is no doubting that Oasis became 'cool' again in 2005. I'm not sure DOYS did anything proper. I think it was a carry over from 2005 if anything. If Oasis didn't fuck up the second half of that album, along with the second half of the tour, I wonder how big their revival really could have been. One day a psychologist needs to write a book on Oasis and find the root cause for their continual self-sabotaging. Its not being revisionist. Its just being honest. DBTT sold roughly the same as SOTSOG and 50,000 more than HC. None of that are big numbers for Oasis or for a band selling albums in America. When DBTT came out Oasis played 7 shows in America during that run. When they returned in the fall/winter, the album was long fucking gone. Didn't hang in the charts like Coldplay, Gorillaz, U2 and even fucking Keane out sold them by miles. People have this false belief that Heathen Chemistry was this career killing monster. All the singles were mega. The album sold more in the UK than DBTT. Neither of those albums made a fucking dent in a soda can in America. I'm not sure how one counts "cool points". If they even had any they threw it all away again with DOYS. Yeah it charted high but sold less than SOTSOG, HC and DBTT first week. And was gone like a fart in the wind like all the post 2000 albums. |
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Post by Headmaster on Mar 5, 2018 12:39:09 GMT -5
Getting to top 10 in America doesn't mean that much, many bands do that, sold a lot and then disappear from the radar, Radiohead, Oasis, Gorillaz, Keane..., over the past 20 years the only britsh rock band that really broke America was Coldplay, the only one with the staying power over there, they are the only one which can still sold millions in US if they release a new album.
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Post by yeayeayeah on Mar 5, 2018 13:10:49 GMT -5
Playing Madison Square Gardens is quite an achievement. They played 20,000 arenas on most of the DBTT and DOYS tours.
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Post by SheSaidHerNameWasDot on Mar 5, 2018 13:13:21 GMT -5
Getting to top 10 in America doesn't mean that much, many bands do that, sold a lot and then disappear from the radar, Radiohead, Oasis, Gorillaz, Keane..., over the past 20 years the only britsh rock band that really broke America was Coldplay, the only one with the staying power over there, they are the only one which can still sold millions in US if they release a new album.  |
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Post by Headmaster on Mar 5, 2018 13:39:56 GMT -5
Getting to top 10 in America doesn't mean that much, many bands do that, sold a lot and then disappear from the radar, Radiohead, Oasis, Gorillaz, Keane..., over the past 20 years the only britsh rock band that really broke America was Coldplay, the only one with the staying power over there, they are the only one which can still sold millions in US if they release a new album.  |
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Post by Longtime Servant of the Gun on Mar 5, 2018 14:02:10 GMT -5
I think it may be due to a rising interest in British music from 2003 onwards
98-2002 were a low point for british guitar bands. Britpop was dead. Dance and Reality TV shit became the big thing for a few years. Fucking Hear'say for christs sake.
It wasnt till The Libertines came on the Scene followed by the likes of Kasabian, Arctic Monkeys, Razorlight, etc etc that the interest sparked again
2003-2008 was a great time for British music and this was when Oasis released DBTT and DOYS.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 5, 2018 14:26:22 GMT -5
Playing Madison Square Gardens is quite an achievement. They played 20,000 arenas on most of the DBTT and DOYS tours. They played 1 arena in America for DBTT. Played many more for DOYS but to uneven sales outside major markets. Tour was def too big. I use to be highly impressed with Oasis selling out MSG in 2005 and later 2008. Felt like a coronation of efforts the first time. However since then I’ve see the following acts sell out MSG (Strokes, LCD, Kings of Leon, Arctic Monkeys, Weezer, Blur, Stone Roses, Black Keys, Lumineers, Phish 13 Times last summer, Queens of the Stone Age, Run The Jewels, The Killers, The 1975s, Death Cab For Cutie, Harry Styles, etc). Basically so many people I thought would never play MSG proper not only played it but sold it out. So maybe a little luster has been lost in that accomplishment. It’s still awesome but not as rare as I’d imagine. That’s not even factoring major artists who constantly sell out MSG when they tour (Radiohead, Pearl Jam, Red Hot Chili Peppers, foo fighters, Coldplay, U2, Green Day, etc). |
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Post by World71R on Mar 6, 2018 1:11:16 GMT -5
Oasis saw a revival in the United States in 2005 with DBTT. I'm not having this revisionist nonsense. Prior to 2005, it was very popular to hate on Oasis in the US. Oasis lost a lot of respect between 1999 and 2004. Reasons can be speculated for sure, but there is no doubting that Oasis became 'cool' again in 2005. I'm not sure DOYS did anything proper. I think it was a carry over from 2005 if anything. If Oasis didn't fuck up the second half of that album, along with the second half of the tour, I wonder how big their revival really could have been. One day a psychologist needs to write a book on Oasis and find the root cause for their continual self-sabotaging. Its not being revisionist. Its just being honest. DBTT sold roughly the same as SOTSOG and 50,000 more than HC. None of that are big numbers for Oasis or for a band selling albums in America. When DBTT came out Oasis played 7 shows in America during that run. When they returned in the fall/winter, the album was long fucking gone. Didn't hang in the charts like Coldplay, Gorillaz, U2 and even fucking Keane out sold them by miles. People have this false belief that Heathen Chemistry was this career killing monster. All the singles were killer. The album sold more in the UK than DBTT. Neither of those albums made a fucking dent in a soda can in America. I'm not sure how one counts "cool points". If they even had any they threw it all away again with DOYS. Yeah it charter high, sold less than SOTSOG, HC and DBTT first week. And was gone like a fart in the wind like all the post 2000 albums. Although, The Shock of the Lightning did make the Billboard Hot 100. That is something to note, even if it was a blip in the grand scheme of things. Getting to top 10 in America doesn't mean that much, many bands do that, sold a lot and then disappear from the radar, Radiohead, Oasis, Gorillaz, Keane..., over the past 20 years the only britsh rock band that really broke America was Coldplay, the only one with the staying power over there, they are the only one which can still sold millions in US if they release a new album. Yea, I don't completely buy that. Radiohead and Gorillaz, despite not being as commercial as Coldplay, have developed solid staying power and good bases in the U.S. (Radiohead especially). |
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