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Post by rockrevival on Jan 10, 2018 12:27:27 GMT -5
Oasis post 2000 could have been a great and memorable band. Their albums could've been regarded as classics if not for the fact that they ruled the 90s and wrote 3 legendary records. Why was Noel not arsed to outdo his 90s work? I mean...he showed no interest in the writing department in my opinion. He even let the other guys come up with songs. Most of them were mediocre to shitty. Why was he not arsed to stop the band from declining and becoming a parody of some sorts? Oasis post 2000 was a joke compared to pre 2000 Oasis. Many of you will agree. If he wasn't interested anymore he should've pulled the plug. For me its sad listening to their albums. The first 3 are biblical,bur from then on it gets shittier and shittier.
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Post by rockrevival on Jan 10, 2018 12:31:18 GMT -5
Ps. I could search and read interviews from the 00s, but im sure there are many memebers here who could provide a better insight on the topic
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 14:04:34 GMT -5
Probably something to do with being rich AF.
Also, it’s easy to say he should’ve packed it in, but it’s gotta be hard to walk away from a band like that.
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Post by pedroz on Jan 10, 2018 15:45:50 GMT -5
Got rich, lost inspiration and also wasted three albums worth of songs on b-sides when he was at his writing peak.
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Post by yeayeayeah on Jan 10, 2018 17:11:53 GMT -5
He just lost that 'magic' spark in his writing. Most artists output in their 30's doesn't compare to what they did in their 20's. In my opinion, his biggest mistake was letting Andy and Gem write for the band, it really watered down the three albums we got with them on board. I didn't see the point in letting them write, except for giving them some royalties. Their songs are just sub-par Oasis by numbers. Noel had the songs, the B-sides from HC and a lot of his NGHFB can be dated back to DBTT and DOYS.
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Post by SheSaidHerNameWasDot on Jan 10, 2018 17:14:25 GMT -5
It's because he started shopping in Tesco's
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 18:00:27 GMT -5
Noel stopped writing all the songs on the album, not as inspired as the 90s and they failed to progress and experiment as a band, simples.
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Post by glio on Jan 10, 2018 18:03:31 GMT -5
its also just really hard to write 4,5,6 world class albums.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 10, 2018 20:17:37 GMT -5
He just lost that 'magic' spark in his writing. Most artists output in their 30's doesn't compare to what they did in their 20's. In my opinion, his biggest mistake was letting Andy and Gem write for the band, it really watered down the three albums we got with them on board. I didn't see the point in letting them write, except for giving them some royalties. Their songs are just sub-par Oasis by numbers. Noel had the songs, the B-sides from HC and a lot of his NGHFB can be dated back to DBTT and DOYS. What was so good about the HC b-sides? I'm yet to be convinced that Noel really had the songs at the time, and if he did it was his call to put them on there.
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Post by Gas Panic on Jan 11, 2018 3:04:57 GMT -5
He just lost that 'magic' spark in his writing. Most artists output in their 30's doesn't compare to what they did in their 20's. In my opinion, his biggest mistake was letting Andy and Gem write for the band, it really watered down the three albums we got with them on board. I didn't see the point in letting them write, except for giving them some royalties. Their songs are just sub-par Oasis by numbers. Noel had the songs, the B-sides from HC and a lot of his NGHFB can be dated back to DBTT and DOYS. What was so good about the HC b-sides? I'm yet to be convinced that Noel really had the songs at the time, and if he did it was his call to put them on there. Just Getting Older Idlers Dream Shout It Out Loud You've Got The Heart Of A Star All great tunes but Noel opted for rock dirge like Force Of Nature and Better Man simply because it suited the bands original image more. I guess he wanted to move away from the depressing tone of SOTSOG after that album had been considered a flop. As a result we got a totally uninspired mess with Heathen Chemistry.
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Post by MONO on Jan 11, 2018 3:20:38 GMT -5
Just Getting Older Idlers Dream Shout It Out Loud You've Got The Heart Of A Star All great tunes Nah. Just Getting Older - great Idlers Dream - great Shout It Out Loud - dull You've Got The Heart Of A Star - extremely dull
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Post by andymorris on Jan 11, 2018 4:45:38 GMT -5
They should have focused on records more and stop touring intensively. Stadium tours are what killed Oasis, not lack of inspiration.
Noel's demos are pretty great and far from the Oasis sound. In the end the big machine could not be stopped because of many reasons, but money is first.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 11, 2018 5:57:48 GMT -5
What was so good about the HC b-sides? I'm yet to be convinced that Noel really had the songs at the time, and if he did it was his call to put them on there. Just Getting Older Idlers Dream Shout It Out Loud You've Got The Heart Of A Star All great tunes but Noel opted for rock dirge like Force Of Nature and Better Man simply because it suited the bands original image more. I guess he wanted to move away from the depressing tone of SOTSOG after that album had been considered a flop. As a result we got a totally uninspired mess with Heathen Chemistry. I think they're all pretty dull although I do have a soft spot for Shout It Out Loud. I just think it was an uninspired time for Noel in general. I think asking Gem and Andy to contribute was at least in some way bourne of necessity.
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Post by freddy838 on Jan 11, 2018 8:13:03 GMT -5
its also just really hard to write 4,5,6 world class albums. Absolutely. I don't think it was lack of effort on anyone's part, I just think the main problem was selecting tracklists and bad production. Noel really needed someone to come in with fresh ideas. He always was a bad judge of a tracklist but he had so many great songs to choose from in the 90s it didn't matter, whereas in the 00s they needed to be more selective than they were. I think he also lost confidence in what kind of songs Liam was able to sing too.
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Post by sfsorrow on Jan 11, 2018 11:56:09 GMT -5
Someone, maybe Elvis Costello, once said that you have your whole life to write your first album but you only have a few months to write your second (this is definitely a paraphrase so forgive me for getting it wrong). In Noel's case, he had more than two albums worth of material before making Definitely Maybe. After that, he didn't have nearly the same amount of time to devote to songwriting. And as others have mentioned, the output in those first two years was extraordinary, particularly with 3 songs on each single.
But coupled with that, I think that the pressure got to him in ways that gets under-discussed. For some great artists, a huge hit can be both a blessing and a curse. It can be a curse because once you achieve it, you either know you won't be able to top it or you become paralyzed trying to top it. An artist I love is Brian Wilson and in late 1966, he was working on an album called Smile which was shaping up to be his greatest artistic achievement. Then, after months of excellent work, in December of 1966, the project became rudderless and entirely unfocused. Many put this down to both Wilson's own psychological troubles as well as his drug intake, and both are surely part of the problem. But also part of the problem was that in November of 1966, The Beach Boys scored the biggest hit of their career, Good Vibrations and Brian realized that while he was making amazing music he didn't have a single to follow that from Smile. The next four months was spent making and re-making and re-re-making Heroes and Villains, which was meant to be the follow up single. Finally, he pulled the plug on the project entirely and never became as active in the studio again.
I do think that despite all the bravado that the unpredictable success of Morning Glory really threw Noel for a loop and being the person he was, he genuinely wanted to top it, convinced himself for a short while that he was doing it with Be Here Now, realized he hadn't, maybe realized he was never going to, and then quite simply pulled back a bit.
Also, I think to some degree his ego was a bit shattered (however much Noel Gallagher's ego can be shattered) after Be Here Now. Remember this was a guy who for three years had been all over the press as the self-appointed arbiter of what constituted good music and what constituted shit music. He saw himself as THE authority in that regard and, to be honest, for a few years, who could blame him? If someone releases Supersonic, Live Forever, Cigarettes and Alcohol, Whatever, Some Might Say, Acquiesce, Wonderwall, The Masterplan, Don't Look Back in Anger, Morning Glory and Champagne Sueprnova in less than two years, they would appear to have pretty good knowledge of what is and isn't good music.
But after Be Here Now (an album I happen to like), I think it became a bit difficult for Noel to show his face after that, given what had been his self-appointed status on Knower of all things Music. I think he questioned his own instincts from that point forward, no longer sure if what he had was a good song or a bad song. He would tell the press it was brilliant but then a few weeks after release would say something to the effect of, "I could tell when we were mixing it that someone wasn't quite right." I think from about 1998 on, Noel didn't have the confidence in his own ability to pick a sonic direction for the band and run with it and so the band, really, was kind of directionless.
So I think there were a few factors at work.
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Post by yeayeayeah on Jan 11, 2018 15:58:26 GMT -5
He just lost that 'magic' spark in his writing. Most artists output in their 30's doesn't compare to what they did in their 20's. In my opinion, his biggest mistake was letting Andy and Gem write for the band, it really watered down the three albums we got with them on board. I didn't see the point in letting them write, except for giving them some royalties. Their songs are just sub-par Oasis by numbers. Noel had the songs, the B-sides from HC and a lot of his NGHFB can be dated back to DBTT and DOYS. What was so good about the HC b-sides? I'm yet to be convinced that Noel really had the songs at the time, and if he did it was his call to put them on there. Idlers Dream and Shout it Out Loud are miles better than most of HC.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 12, 2018 3:06:45 GMT -5
It’s hardly like Oasis went to pot.
Beside the dull HC, the other albums are solid in their own right. And each album cycle still produced the utmost classics that would have been held in high regard in the 90s.
The problem was that Noel turned to band diplomacy for song writing when he was going through the motions of both SOTSOG and especially HC. When he rediscovered his songwriting prowess, it would have been too damaging to revoke LAG’s (wow that’s an acyronmn we haven’t used in years!) opportunity to write songs, especially brother Liam’s.
Noel not taking back full control from 2005 onwards was the real issue. The band diplomacy had its place, but we didn’t need shit like TNOR and ABWR when Noel was back to writing classics like Lyla, TIOBI, POTQ, TSOTL, FD, TT, etc....
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Jan 12, 2018 6:18:48 GMT -5
Idlers Dream and Shout it Out Loud are miles better than most of HC. They're both emotional songs, something all great Oasis songs have in common. Meanwhile Heathen Chemistry is mostly emotion-free, even Noel's songs except for Little by Little and SCYHO. Of course those two songs were enough to make the album a commercial success. It's definitely weird how few really good songs Noel wrote between 1998 and 2008. I love his songs on DOYS and a couple on SOTSOG, but between those there's barely an album's worth of songs.
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Post by theone on Jan 12, 2018 15:42:29 GMT -5
DBTT and DOYS we awful albums. Noel should have went solo a lot sooner
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Post by matt on Jan 12, 2018 15:46:53 GMT -5
You’ve Got The Heart Of A Star? Hmm, haven’t listened to that tune in literally years. Unspectacular but a lovely song from what I remember, going to give it a spin now thanks. Not a great performance by Noel, would sound better with someone like Fran Healy singing it but a solid song.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 12, 2018 19:07:50 GMT -5
DBTT and DOYS we awful albums. Noel should have went solo a lot sooner No.
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Post by cigarsinhell on Jan 12, 2018 20:36:28 GMT -5
its also just really hard to write 4,5,6 world class albums. I think Noel should write 456 albums for Oasis, one a week sounds good. I'd buy 'em and go to the shows. No such thing as too much Oasis.
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Post by theone on Jan 14, 2018 14:31:17 GMT -5
DBTT and DOYS we awful albums. Noel should have went solo a lot sooner No. Yes! Lol liam sounds gross not that I think he's sounds to much better nowadays. Liam was holding Noel back
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Post by MONO on Jan 14, 2018 14:46:01 GMT -5
Liam was holding Noel back 2017 revealed that it actually was the other way round. As You Were
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Post by cigarsinhell on Jan 14, 2018 16:03:20 GMT -5
Yes! Lol liam sounds gross not that I think he's sounds to much better nowadays. Liam was holding Noel back Noel's songs always sound their best when they come out of Liam's throat.
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