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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 26, 2017 22:16:44 GMT -5
"Oasis won't break up. It's just that at the moment I can't see what more we can do … I need something to maintain my interest … My ideal would be to join another band."- Noel Gallagher, July 2009 ( www.gigwise.com/news/51558/oasis-noel-gallagher-drugs-are-the-most-beautiful-thing-about-being-in-a-band) There's also a YouTube interview of him in June 2009/July 2009 saying that Oasis will not split, and that he's staying together for the kids (i.e., the fans). I can't be arsed to find it, though. The video was actually the point of this thread, then I found the above quote -- I didn't realize he said the thing about "another band" until just now. ----- Look, I don't hold the conspiracy that Noel held his Oasis songs for his solo project. The evidence counters that to the extreme, and we're not treading that discussion in this thread. But there is indeed a lot more to the story that we do not know. I find the timing of the quote really suspicious - I did at the time, but even more so with that happened a month later. Arsene Wenger of Arsenal has fallen into a pattern of telling the media that certain stars are "Not for sale" only to sell them literally a few weeks later (RVP, Nasri, Fabregas, Henry, etc) meaning that he new the players were leaving but lied to the press. -----> I can't but help think Noel was doing that in July 2009. Noel must have known by July 2009 (at the latest) that Oasis were over. But if he wanted to end Oasis, why not do it in a more dignify way?I really wish Noel would be more upfront with what was actually occurring over the DOYS tour. And let's remember, Noel has been on record since 2009 - most prominently in 2011 - saying that he actually regrets splitting up Oasis.
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Post by The Chief on Nov 27, 2017 7:05:14 GMT -5
The way I see it is that he was creatively tired of stadium rock which you can clearly hear on Dig Out Your Soul and subsequent songs that were written during that era. But that tour was really dreadful. The tension was clear between he and Liam already and they all looked miserable. Add to that Liam fucking off during the recording leaving two songs unfinished (and Noel seemed particularly proud of at least one of those), the attack in Toronto, several gig cancellations, Liam walking off or doing really angry gigs, etc. I think Liam's tantrum that night was just the boiling point for Noel and he thought "fuck it". That's always been the impression I had since day 1.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Nov 27, 2017 8:57:54 GMT -5
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Post by jxing on Nov 27, 2017 12:27:34 GMT -5
I don't fault him for any of his solo or not- solo comments... its like when peole are in love and stay they're going to stay together forever and then get divorced.
Anyway, this is one of my favorite Noel smash ups.. if you go to the 5:00 He talks about the solo statement and how he says it to mess with Liam.
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Post by The Chief on Nov 27, 2017 14:05:04 GMT -5
JUNE 2009 - Q MAGAZINE (The one where Noel says: " He's the angriest man you'll ever meet. He's like a man with a fork in a world of soup."):     I reckon someone should send this to Liam. Hardly a conspiracy there! It was in an interview a month before! This just conforms (to me anyway) what I've always thought which was that Noel didn't NEED to break Oasis up to have a successful solo career. |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Nov 27, 2017 19:19:46 GMT -5
Im sorry but i fucking howled with laughter at the christmas song story. Thats brilliant.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Nov 27, 2017 19:27:17 GMT -5
Im sorry but i fucking howled with laughter at the christmas song story. Thats brilliant. I remember that article and having the same reaction TBF  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 14:27:24 GMT -5
It's funny that you compared it to football.
It's actually almost general knowledge that when a club says "we have full support on *insert manager's name*" it means the opposite and they are definitely kicking the manager when a good opportunity arises.
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Post by GlastoEls on Nov 28, 2017 15:09:09 GMT -5
They just needed a fucking break, not a break up.
UGH.
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Post by RocketMan on Nov 28, 2017 15:52:45 GMT -5
It's funny that you compared it to football. It's actually almost general knowledge that when a club says "we have full support on *insert manager's name*" it means the opposite and they are definitely kicking the manager when a good opportunity arises. or that one time walter ulbricht said "no one has the intention of erecting a wall" in 1961. they started only a month later #germanhistorylesson |
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Post by ricksanchez on Nov 28, 2017 17:41:41 GMT -5
They just needed a fucking break, not a break up. UGH. Oasis is dead since 1997 from then on it was just inertia. |
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Post by GlastoEls on Nov 29, 2017 3:31:04 GMT -5
They just needed a fucking break, not a break up. UGH. Oasis is dead since 1997 from then on it was just inertia. Not live it wasn’t! |
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Post by mockba08 on Nov 29, 2017 5:15:02 GMT -5
JUNE 2009 - Q MAGAZINE (The one where Noel says: " He's the angriest man you'll ever meet. He's like a man with a fork in a world of soup."): The 'he's like a man with a fork in world of soup' comment will never be beaten. Ever. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 5:45:42 GMT -5
"When talking to Noel Gallagher all roads lead back to Liam. He is, perhaps, Noel's greatest line of defence: probe him too deeply about himself and he'll turn the discussion around to his grievances with his sibling."
Interesting.
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Post by ricardogce on Nov 30, 2017 14:13:08 GMT -5
They just needed a fucking break, not a break up. UGH. Just like the Beatles. Imagine if they had agreed to quietly go do their solo projects and just let the band lay dormant for a while. Then again, Paul eventually sued because he didn't want his solo output subject to Klein's management (and shady accounting), so who knows if they would have lasted much longer. |
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 30, 2017 14:14:30 GMT -5
Oasis died a long time before 2009.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 30, 2017 14:25:30 GMT -5
Oasis died a long time before 2009. You could argue Oasis died when the door slammed shut at the end of BHN, and during the making of SOTSOG. Two original band members left, Creation records folded, Brian Cannon and Owen Morris were no longer involved, Alan McGee left. SOTSOG gave us a couple of decent hangover tracks from the fallout of the success of Oasis Mk1, the only true defining period for the band, but also gave birth to the lacklustre Oasis Mk2 era. From 2000 onwards Noel was a shadow of his former self in terms of writing songs. He was either going through the motions, or going through some kind of dark hangover therapy. His joy for writing the great tracks and albums of the 90's was gone. He also crazily handed over the reigns to lesser songwriters, who managed to dominate much of the weakened Mk2 era. I truly believe this year has given a proper rebirth to the Gallagher brothers again, far more than Oasis Mk2 ever did. AYW and WBTM are far superior to anything that came after BHN closed its door. |
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Post by freddy838 on Nov 30, 2017 14:35:31 GMT -5
You could still make a decent best of album from their 2000+ work better than a majority of the bands out there, and a lot of it more varied than their Britpop-era music. Still, I think the band had run its course by 2009, if they aren't getting on and Liam's voice was getting embarrassing then it was for the best. Now on the other hand, I think they could make a successful comeback if they really wanted.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 30, 2017 14:37:42 GMT -5
You could still make a decent best of album from their 2000+ work better than a majority of the bands out there, and a lot of it more varied than their Britpop-era music. Still, I think the band had run its course by 2009, if they aren't getting on and Liam's voice was getting embarrassing then it was for the best. Now on the other hand, I think they could make a successful comeback if they really wanted. For a decade spanning 4 albums and lots of B sides, you could just about conjure up 1 decent album out of all the shite Oasis Mk2 brought with it. |
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Post by ricardogce on Nov 30, 2017 14:43:44 GMT -5
Oasis died a long time before 2009. You could argue Oasis died when the door slammed shut at the end of BHN, and during the making of SOTSOG. Two original band members left, Creation records folded, Brian Cannon and Owen Morris were no longer involved, Alan McGee left. SOTSOG gave us a couple of decent hangover tracks from the fallout of the success of Oasis Mk1, the only true defining period for the band, but also gave birth to the lacklustre Oasis Mk2 era. From 2000 onwards Noel was a shadow of his former self in terms of writing songs. He was either going through the motions, or going through some kind of dark hangover therapy. His joy for writing the great tracks and albums of the 90's was gone. He also crazily handed over the reigns to lesser songwriters, who managed to dominate much of the weakened Mk2 era. I truly believe this year has given a proper rebirth to the Gallagher brothers again, far more than Oasis Mk2 ever did. AYW and WBTM are far superior to anything that came after BHN closed its door. I mostly agree. Noel's heart was clearly not in it, or the muse was silent for a while. But even at his lowest ebb, his songs would have been considered standouts if his peers had put them out, it's just that people kept expecting another Morning Glory from him, even though he had moved on and capturing that moment in time again was impossible. Still, his highlights from that period stand up against anything he's ever done. I think Oasis Mk2 should have put out two-three albums rather than four. And while I think tunes like Songbird, Turn Up The Sun, I'm Outta Time, and a few others were worthy additions to the Oasis catalog, I really do believe Noel should have been more aggressive in telling the rest "no" about most of their other contributions. If that meant fewer albums, then so be it. "Right, Songbird's fucking mega. It's the next single" "What about A Quick Peep?" "Shut the fuck up and pick up the bass, Rideboy" |
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Post by andymorris on Nov 30, 2017 14:49:38 GMT -5
What's the point of this thread ? Noel said as early as 99 he wanted to go solo. There is no conspiration, no nothing, they had a fight and it was enough for Noel. He quit, big deal, he's made two great albums after and that and we got twice as much material.
If Oasis was still together, it would have been at most, what, two half good records made up of 1/3 material from beady eye's records ? Great...
Noel is prolific enough to maintain a great solo career and it's good the way it is.
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Post by GlastoEls on Nov 30, 2017 17:35:16 GMT -5
Oasis died a long time before 2009. You could argue Oasis died when the door slammed shut at the end of BHN, and during the making of SOTSOG. Two original band members left, Creation records folded, Brian Cannon and Owen Morris were no longer involved, Alan McGee left. SOTSOG gave us a couple of decent hangover tracks from the fallout of the success of Oasis Mk1, the only true defining period for the band, but also gave birth to the lacklustre Oasis Mk2 era. From 2000 onwards Noel was a shadow of his former self in terms of writing songs. He was either going through the motions, or going through some kind of dark hangover therapy. His joy for writing the great tracks and albums of the 90's was gone. He also crazily handed over the reigns to lesser songwriters, who managed to dominate much of the weakened Mk2 era. I truly believe this year has given a proper rebirth to the Gallagher brothers again, far more than Oasis Mk2 ever did. AYW and WBTM are far superior to anything that came after BHN closed its door. You’re a great poster. That last paragraph is absolutely 100% spot on. Might steal that and put into my signature! |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 30, 2017 23:59:21 GMT -5
You could argue Oasis died when the door slammed shut at the end of BHN, and during the making of SOTSOG. Two original band members left, Creation records folded, Brian Cannon and Owen Morris were no longer involved, Alan McGee left. SOTSOG gave us a couple of decent hangover tracks from the fallout of the success of Oasis Mk1, the only true defining period for the band, but also gave birth to the lacklustre Oasis Mk2 era. From 2000 onwards Noel was a shadow of his former self in terms of writing songs. He was either going through the motions, or going through some kind of dark hangover therapy. His joy for writing the great tracks and albums of the 90's was gone. He also crazily handed over the reigns to lesser songwriters, who managed to dominate much of the weakened Mk2 era. I truly believe this year has given a proper rebirth to the Gallagher brothers again, far more than Oasis Mk2 ever did. AYW and WBTM are far superior to anything that came after BHN closed its door. You’re a great poster. That last paragraph is absolutely 100% spot on. Might steal that and put into my signature! Cheers pal!  |
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Post by mossy on Feb 3, 2021 10:54:24 GMT -5
JUNE 2009 - Q MAGAZINE (The one where Noel says: " He's the angriest man you'll ever meet. He's like a man with a fork in a world of soup."): Do you have legible copies of these? I’d be interested to read them again. X |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Feb 3, 2021 11:01:00 GMT -5
JUNE 2009 - Q MAGAZINE (The one where Noel says: " He's the angriest man you'll ever meet. He's like a man with a fork in a world of soup."): Do you have legible copies of these? I’d be interested to read them again. X Unfortunately not. I don't save any scans of magazines, this would've just been something I found online. Sorry! |
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