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Post by tomlivesforever on Jun 19, 2018 16:17:03 GMT -5
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Post by funhouse on Jun 19, 2018 16:20:08 GMT -5
What about the other half? I agree not everything is relevant, but the things that are were included, so that's why I sent the link anyway. Very questionable. But I can’t just call somebody racist that easily. There are many other instances of politicians (not just white politicians) who say/endorse racist-like behavior and people don’t bat an eye. For example, the fact so many Democrats endorse someone like louis farrakhan is very questionable to me. But oops, I shouldn’t say that. Only the right wing politicians are evil, right? So yes, some people are hypocrits. But Trump is still a racist and it would be very hard to find any Democrat doing/saying things as racist as that. Many Democrats are questionable, so I don't mind you saying that. But they're questionable when it comes to other issues than racism. I'll be honest, I need to refresh my memory about that guy. But since I'm no big fan of Obama I would criticise him for that if I found the arguments to be justified. |
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Post by spaneli on Jun 19, 2018 16:36:28 GMT -5
What about the other half? I agree not everything is relevant, but the things that are were included, so that's why I sent the link anyway. Very questionable. But I can’t just call somebody racist that easily. There are many other instances of politicians (not just white politicians) who say/endorse racist-like behavior and people don’t bat an eye. For example, the fact so many Democrats endorse someone like louis farrakhan is very questionable to me. But oops, I shouldn’t say that. Only the right wing politicians are evil, right? Clearly Jordan needs to see a burning cross on someone's lawn before he calls them racist. |
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Post by jordan71421 on Jun 19, 2018 16:38:32 GMT -5
Very questionable. But I can’t just call somebody racist that easily. There are many other instances of politicians (not just white politicians) who say/endorse racist-like behavior and people don’t bat an eye. For example, the fact so many Democrats endorse someone like louis farrakhan is very questionable to me. But oops, I shouldn’t say that. Only the right wing politicians are evil, right? Clearly Jordan needs to see a burning cross on someone's lawn before he calls them racist. The “Conscience of the Forum” has spoken. |
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Post by spaneli on Jun 19, 2018 16:39:06 GMT -5
The easiest argument is to say, "but what about what that person's doing." But that doesn't actually change the central action. It's just a distraction.
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Post by spaneli on Jun 19, 2018 16:40:18 GMT -5
Clearly Jordan needs to see a burning cross on someone's lawn before he calls them racist. The “Conscience of the Forum” has spoken. Most people would flat out deny what I just said if said to them. The fact that you followed up with a quip says a lot more about you than me. Keep going, you're doing a crack job with that shovel in this thread. |
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Post by jordan71421 on Jun 19, 2018 16:40:45 GMT -5
The easiest argument is to say, "but what about what that person's doing." But that doesn't actually change the central action. It's just a distraction. It does show how hypocritical people are though, doesn’t it? |
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Post by spaneli on Jun 19, 2018 16:42:29 GMT -5
The easiest argument is to say, "but what about what that person's doing." But that doesn't actually change the central action. It's just a distraction. It does show how hypocritical people are though, doesn’t it? And? The whole world is filled with hypocrisy, hiding behind it is a cop out. |
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Post by jordan71421 on Jun 19, 2018 16:42:42 GMT -5
The “Conscience of the Forum” has spoken. Most people would flat out deny what I just said if said to them. The fact that you followed up with a quip says a lot more about you than me. Keep going, you're doing a crack job with that shovel in this thread. Because I don’t need to justify myself to you and your holier-than-thou attitude. What is racist to you may be different to someone else. THATS why it’s hard for me to fully call someone a racist. I don’t look at things in black and white like you do |
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Post by jordan71421 on Jun 19, 2018 16:44:16 GMT -5
It does show how hypocritical people are though, doesn’t it? And? The whole world is filled with hypocrisy, hiding behind it is a cop out. No, it shows that people will get outraged about anything then forget about it a few days later. Your false outrage does nothing, and calling Trump racist does nothing to help. If I’m not helpful, you aren’t either |
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Post by spaneli on Jun 19, 2018 16:45:50 GMT -5
Most people would flat out deny what I just said if said to them. The fact that you followed up with a quip says a lot more about you than me. Keep going, you're doing a crack job with that shovel in this thread. Because I don’t need to justify myself to you and your holier-than-thou attitude. What is racist to you may be different to someone else. THATS why it’s hard for me to fully call someone a racist. I don’t look at things in black and white like you do Well, you've certainly spent a few pages of not caring to justify yourself. But eh, I'm black. I live with racism nearly everyday. And I can tell you, that guy is racist. There's no "holier-than-thou" behind it. If you want to believe otherwise, then that's your perogative, but accusing people of being "holier-than-thou' to support your argument is actually being "holier-than-thou," so there is hypocrisy everywhere. |
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Post by spaneli on Jun 19, 2018 16:46:45 GMT -5
And? The whole world is filled with hypocrisy, hiding behind it is a cop out. No, it shows that people will get outraged about anything then forget about it a few days later. Your false outrage does nothing, and calling Trump racist does nothing to help. If I’m not helpful, you aren’t either So because it's not "helpful" I shouldn't call someone racist? Wonder what I'm going to be calling KKK members now, since me calling them racist doesn't help either... |
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Post by jordan71421 on Jun 19, 2018 16:50:53 GMT -5
Because I don’t need to justify myself to you and your holier-than-thou attitude. What is racist to you may be different to someone else. THATS why it’s hard for me to fully call someone a racist. I don’t look at things in black and white like you do Well, you've certainly spent a few pages of not caring to justify yourself. But eh, I'm black. I live with racism nearly everyday. And I can tell you, that guy is racist. There's no "holier-than-thou" behind it. If you want to believe otherwise, then that's your perogative, but accusing people of being "holier-than-thou' to support your argument is actually being "holier-than-thou," so there is hypocrisy everywhere. Nearly everyday? I highly doubt that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 17:08:25 GMT -5
Well, you've certainly spent a few pages of not caring to justify yourself. But eh, I'm black. I live with racism nearly everyday. And I can tell you, that guy is racist. There's no "holier-than-thou" behind it. If you want to believe otherwise, then that's your perogative, but accusing people of being "holier-than-thou' to support your argument is actually being "holier-than-thou," so there is hypocrisy everywhere. Nearly everyday? I highly doubt that. Oh dear. |
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Post by jordan71421 on Jun 19, 2018 17:12:05 GMT -5
Nearly everyday? I highly doubt that. Oh dear. It’s a really heavy statement to make. If I’m going to be lectured about how I need to perceive racism, I don’t want it from someone who can be offended by something on a daily basis, justified or not |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 17:13:36 GMT -5
It’s a really heavy statement to make. If I’m going to be lectured about how I need to perceive racism, I don’t want it from someone who can be offended by something on a daily basis, justified or not I’m inclined to let Spaneli speak for himself. |
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Post by jordan71421 on Jun 19, 2018 17:18:21 GMT -5
It’s a really heavy statement to make. If I’m going to be lectured about how I need to perceive racism, I don’t want it from someone who can be offended by something on a daily basis, justified or not I’m inclined to let Spaneli speak for himself. Then why did you jump in in the first place? Oh that’s right, you didn’t have a point |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 17:22:09 GMT -5
I’m inclined to let Spaneli speak for himself. Then why did you jump in in the first place? Oh that’s right, you didn’t have a point Why are you so aggro? I jumped in because from my perspective you made an outrageous statement. I’m not going to derail the dialogue and speak for Spaneli though. |
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Post by WirralRiddler on Jun 19, 2018 17:22:21 GMT -5
Because I don’t need to justify myself to you and your holier-than-thou attitude. What is racist to you may be different to someone else. THATS why it’s hard for me to fully call someone a racist. I don’t look at things in black and white like you do Well, you've certainly spent a few pages of not caring to justify yourself. But eh, I'm black. I live with racism nearly everyday. And I can tell you, that guy is racist. There's no "holier-than-thou" behind it. If you want to believe otherwise, then that's your perogative, but accusing people of being "holier-than-thou' to support your argument is actually being "holier-than-thou," so there is hypocrisy everywhere. Just because you're black doesn't mean you get to decide who's racist. Sounds very "holier-than-thou" |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jun 19, 2018 17:31:39 GMT -5
Well, you've certainly spent a few pages of not caring to justify yourself. But eh, I'm black. I live with racism nearly everyday. And I can tell you, that guy is racist. There's no "holier-than-thou" behind it. If you want to believe otherwise, then that's your perogative, but accusing people of being "holier-than-thou' to support your argument is actually being "holier-than-thou," so there is hypocrisy everywhere. Nearly everyday? I highly doubt that. You're embarrassing yourself. |
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Post by eva on Jun 19, 2018 17:31:58 GMT -5
you hear Trump talk for 2 minutes and you can see the man is racist, using words like "infest", "shithole countries" and "animals" to describe the immigrant situation. it doesn't take a different skin color to realize that
and careful guys, you'r talking this whole thing to a personal attack level.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jun 19, 2018 17:34:14 GMT -5
Well, you've certainly spent a few pages of not caring to justify yourself. But eh, I'm black. I live with racism nearly everyday. And I can tell you, that guy is racist. There's no "holier-than-thou" behind it. If you want to believe otherwise, then that's your perogative, but accusing people of being "holier-than-thou' to support your argument is actually being "holier-than-thou," so there is hypocrisy everywhere. Just because you're black doesn't mean you get to decide who's racist. Sounds very "holier-than-thou" Do you think Spaneli is incapable of identifying the following? "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior." It's not a case of deciding what is, the above tells you what racism is. |
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Post by spaneli on Jun 19, 2018 17:39:02 GMT -5
Well, you've certainly spent a few pages of not caring to justify yourself. But eh, I'm black. I live with racism nearly everyday. And I can tell you, that guy is racist. There's no "holier-than-thou" behind it. If you want to believe otherwise, then that's your perogative, but accusing people of being "holier-than-thou' to support your argument is actually being "holier-than-thou," so there is hypocrisy everywhere. Just because you're black doesn't mean you get to decide who's racist. Sounds very "holier-than-thou" I read this and laughed  The person who gets followed by the police at night is being "holier-than-thou" when saying their experience with racism MIGHT be a bit more informative than someone who probably hasn't. |
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Post by Flashbax on Jun 19, 2018 17:43:12 GMT -5
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Post by spaneli on Jun 19, 2018 17:44:55 GMT -5
Just because you're black doesn't mean you get to decide who's racist. Sounds very "holier-than-thou" Do you think Spaneli is incapable of identifying the following? "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior." It's not a case of deciding what is, the above tells you what racism is. I wouldn't try to reason with them Tom. You might be deemed "houlier-than-thou" for defending a black person's perspective on the matters of racism. I'm sure I would never be able to judge prejudice....discrimination...antagonism...from my position. I'm sure they've experienced a lot more of it themselves. Can't wait for any Hispanics to roll into here and also get their views on racism shut down as "houlier-than-thou." Remember, people who have been profiled can't define what's happened to them. Only the people who haven't been. That's very important.  |
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