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Post by mancraider on Jun 19, 2018 13:26:09 GMT -5
www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-law-separate-families-passed-1997/ What’s New Hot 50 Fact Check News Video Archive Support Us About Us Random Fact Check Politics Was the ‘Law to Separate Families’ Passed in 1997 or ‘by Democrats’? There is no federal law mandating children and parents be separated at the border; a policy resulting in that outcome was enacted in May 2018. Facebook285.9kRedditPinterestTwitterLinkedInMore CLAIM A "law to separate families" was enacted prior to April 2018, and the federal government is powerless not to enforce it. RATING FALSE ORIGIN In mid-June 2018, a number of readers asked about a “law to separate families,” primarily whether the purported legislation was passed by President Barack Obama, President Bill Clinton, or “the Democrats”: Were children separated from their parents as they crossed the boarder into the USA under the Obama administration? We are repeatedly informed that the separation of illegal immigrant children from the family is a policy created by the Obama administration. Is this true or is it just Mr. Sessions policy. Did President Obama’s administration remove children from their parents when they came to the U.S. illegally? Someone on FaceBook is saying this and I want to see if this is true. NEWSWEEK: OBAMA HELD MORE THAN DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN IN SHELTERS COMPARED TO TRUMP WHITE HOUSE Did Bill Clinton enact a law that made it legal to separate migrants from their children. We’re migrants forced to surrender their children during the Obama administration? THE LAW TO SEPARATE PARENTS FROM THEIR CHILDREN WHEN THEY CROSS THE BORDER ILLEGALLY WAS PASSED IN 1997. NOW IT’S A PROBLEM? Although the questions were varied, their underlying question essentially was the same: Whether a so-called “law to separate parents from children” existed before the Trump administration. In some versions, President Bill Clinton’s administration passed such a law, and in other iterations, President Barack Obama detained twice as many children separated from their parents during his presidency. On 5 June 2018, Trump attributed the policy to Democrats in general: There is no federal law that stipulates that children and parents be separated at the border, no matter how families entered the United States. An increase in child detainees separated from parents stemmed directly from a change in enforcement policy repeatedly announced by Sessions in April and May 2018, under which adults (with or without children) are criminally prosecuted for attempting to enter the United States: The “zero-tolerance” policy he announced [in May 2018] sees adults who try to cross the border, many planning to seek asylum, being placed in custody and facing criminal prosecution for illegal entry. As a result, hundreds of minors are now being housed in detention centres, and kept away from their parents. Over a recent six-week period, nearly 2,000 children were separated from their parents after illegally crossing the border, figures released on [15 June 2018]. [Attorney General] Sessions said those entering the US irregularly would be criminally prosecuted, a change to a long-standing policy of charging most of those crossing for the first time with a misdemeanour offence. We addressed the “law to separate children” in a fact check about a purported statement made by Attorney General Jeff Sessions. Sessions did not make the statement attributed to him, but he did make a series of remarks in early April 2018 about a new border initiative involving the separation of children from parents at border crossings: If you are smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you and that child will be separated from you as required by law … If you don’t like that, then don’t smuggle children over our border. […] We don’t want to separate families, but we don’t want families to enter the border illegally[.] We urge them not to do so. On 7 May 2018, CNN reported that until April 2018, immigration officials used discretion to handle families or unaccompanied minors entering the United States without documentation: It has long been a misdemeanor federal offense to be caught illegally entering the US, punishable by up to six months in prison, but the administration has not always referred everyone caught for prosecution. Those apprehended were swiftly put into immigration proceedings and, unless they met the threshold to pursue a valid asylum claim, can be quickly deported from the country. The current DHS plan makes no special arrangements for those who claim asylum when apprehended. While they will be allowed to pursue their claims and could eventually be found to have a legitimate right to live in the US, they could still already have a conviction for illegal entry. That same article surmised that families “could be” separated, indicating that in the first week of May 2018, the separation of children from families had not yet begun: The Trump administration has decided to refer every person caught crossing the border illegally for federal prosecution, a policy that could result in the separation of far more parents from their children at the border. The move would also mean that even if immigrants caught at the border illegally have valid asylum claims, they could still end up with federal criminal convictions on their record regardless of whether a judge eventually finds they have a right to live and stay in the US. Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen officially enacted the policy on [7 May 2018], according to a Department of Homeland Security official speaking on condition of anonymity. It corresponds with a Department of Justice “zero-tolerance policy” for illegal border crossings, under which Attorney General Jeff Sessions has ordered federal prosecutors to pursue criminal charges against all referrals for illegally crossing the border, as possible. The rumors correctly suggested that “family detention” as a whole came before the Trump administration, but as of August 2015 intact families at the border were rarely separated. Other iterations of the rumor held that the Obama administration separated more children from their parents than the Trump administration, a claim stemming from an inaccurate retelling of the fact that an influx of unaccompanied minors from Latin America crossed the border in from 2014 onward. In those instances, minor children primarily traveled without their parents. Claims that the “law to separate families” was passed in 1997, those claims originated with a February 2018 Department of Homeland Security statement referencing “[l]egal loopholes [that] are exploited by minors, family units, and human smugglers.” The DHS statement claimed existing immigration policies “create a pull factor that invites more illegal immigration and encourages parents to pay and entrust their children to criminal organizations.” However, neither the 1997 Flores settlement nor a 2008 human trafficking law cited in that release in any way stipulated that the government separate children from their parents: A White House spokesman referred [Factcheck.org] to a DHS statement regarding a 1997 legal settlement and 2008 antitrafficking law affecting minors who are apprehended without a parent present: Under the 1997 settlement, DHS could detain unaccompanied children captured at the border for only 20 days before releasing them to foster families, shelters or sponsors, pending resolution of their immigration cases. The settlement was later expanded through other court rulings to include both unaccompanied and accompanied children. The William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008 requires unaccompanied minors from countries other than Mexico and Canada to be placed in the care of the Office of Refugee Resettlement, or relatives in the U.S., while they go through removal proceedings. The bipartisan bill was approved by unanimous consent and signed by Bush. But neither the court settlement nor the 2008 law require the Trump administration to “break up families.” A cluster of rumors about the controversial separation of families at the border held that the policy came before the Trump administration, either stemming from a 1997 “law” or purported policies of previous administrations. Those claims were false. No federal law required or suggested the family separation policy announced by Attorney General Sessions in several sets of remarks during April and May 2018.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jun 19, 2018 13:26:18 GMT -5
You can also address the second point if you like. Who do you support? You seem a staunch defender of people crticising him on some of his policy making. Like I said, this all started with Bill Clinton in the 90’s. You can look that up. I don’t support anybody. I just don’t spew bullshit out of my mouth because I don’t like the president. You blindly accepted the photo and it being the Obama Admins fault? Contrary to you saying you don't blindly accept things. Its amazing that you think this is solely to do with personality. The same people would criticise the same policy whoever it was put forward by. Oh and about you not supporting any one, I don't believe you.
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Post by jordan71421 on Jun 19, 2018 13:34:00 GMT -5
Like I said, this all started with Bill Clinton in the 90’s. You can look that up. I don’t support anybody. I just don’t spew bullshit out of my mouth because I don’t like the president. You blindly accepted the photo and it being the Obama Admins fault? Contrary to you saying you don't blindly accept things. Its amazing that you think this is solely to do with personality. The same people would criticise the same policy whoever it was put forward by. Oh and about you not supporting any one, I don't believe you. There would be no outrage if our president was liberal. And guess what? I don’t care that you don’t believe me
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Post by jordan71421 on Jun 19, 2018 13:37:07 GMT -5
www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-law-separate-families-passed-1997/ What’s New Hot 50 Fact Check News Video Archive Support Us About Us Random Fact Check Politics Was the ‘Law to Separate Families’ Passed in 1997 or ‘by Democrats’? There is no federal law mandating children and parents be separated at the border; a policy resulting in that outcome was enacted in May 2018. Facebook285.9kRedditPinterestTwitterLinkedInMore CLAIM A "law to separate families" was enacted prior to April 2018, and the federal government is powerless not to enforce it. RATING FALSE ORIGIN In mid-June 2018, a number of readers asked about a “law to separate families,” primarily whether the purported legislation was passed by President Barack Obama, President Bill Clinton, or “the Democrats”: Were children separated from their parents as they crossed the boarder into the USA under the Obama administration? We are repeatedly informed that the separation of illegal immigrant children from the family is a policy created by the Obama administration. Is this true or is it just Mr. Sessions policy. Did President Obama’s administration remove children from their parents when they came to the U.S. illegally? Someone on FaceBook is saying this and I want to see if this is true. NEWSWEEK: OBAMA HELD MORE THAN DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN IN SHELTERS COMPARED TO TRUMP WHITE HOUSE Did Bill Clinton enact a law that made it legal to separate migrants from their children. We’re migrants forced to surrender their children during the Obama administration? THE LAW TO SEPARATE PARENTS FROM THEIR CHILDREN WHEN THEY CROSS THE BORDER ILLEGALLY WAS PASSED IN 1997. NOW IT’S A PROBLEM? Although the questions were varied, their underlying question essentially was the same: Whether a so-called “law to separate parents from children” existed before the Trump administration. In some versions, President Bill Clinton’s administration passed such a law, and in other iterations, President Barack Obama detained twice as many children separated from their parents during his presidency. On 5 June 2018, Trump attributed the policy to Democrats in general: There is no federal law that stipulates that children and parents be separated at the border, no matter how families entered the United States. An increase in child detainees separated from parents stemmed directly from a change in enforcement policy repeatedly announced by Sessions in April and May 2018, under which adults (with or without children) are criminally prosecuted for attempting to enter the United States: The “zero-tolerance” policy he announced [in May 2018] sees adults who try to cross the border, many planning to seek asylum, being placed in custody and facing criminal prosecution for illegal entry. As a result, hundreds of minors are now being housed in detention centres, and kept away from their parents. Over a recent six-week period, nearly 2,000 children were separated from their parents after illegally crossing the border, figures released on [15 June 2018]. [Attorney General] Sessions said those entering the US irregularly would be criminally prosecuted, a change to a long-standing policy of charging most of those crossing for the first time with a misdemeanour offence. We addressed the “law to separate children” in a fact check about a purported statement made by Attorney General Jeff Sessions. Sessions did not make the statement attributed to him, but he did make a series of remarks in early April 2018 about a new border initiative involving the separation of children from parents at border crossings: If you are smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you and that child will be separated from you as required by law … If you don’t like that, then don’t smuggle children over our border. […] We don’t want to separate families, but we don’t want families to enter the border illegally[.] We urge them not to do so. On 7 May 2018, CNN reported that until April 2018, immigration officials used discretion to handle families or unaccompanied minors entering the United States without documentation: It has long been a misdemeanor federal offense to be caught illegally entering the US, punishable by up to six months in prison, but the administration has not always referred everyone caught for prosecution. Those apprehended were swiftly put into immigration proceedings and, unless they met the threshold to pursue a valid asylum claim, can be quickly deported from the country. The current DHS plan makes no special arrangements for those who claim asylum when apprehended. While they will be allowed to pursue their claims and could eventually be found to have a legitimate right to live in the US, they could still already have a conviction for illegal entry. That same article surmised that families “could be” separated, indicating that in the first week of May 2018, the separation of children from families had not yet begun: The Trump administration has decided to refer every person caught crossing the border illegally for federal prosecution, a policy that could result in the separation of far more parents from their children at the border. The move would also mean that even if immigrants caught at the border illegally have valid asylum claims, they could still end up with federal criminal convictions on their record regardless of whether a judge eventually finds they have a right to live and stay in the US. Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen officially enacted the policy on [7 May 2018], according to a Department of Homeland Security official speaking on condition of anonymity. It corresponds with a Department of Justice “zero-tolerance policy” for illegal border crossings, under which Attorney General Jeff Sessions has ordered federal prosecutors to pursue criminal charges against all referrals for illegally crossing the border, as possible. The rumors correctly suggested that “family detention” as a whole came before the Trump administration, but as of August 2015 intact families at the border were rarely separated. Other iterations of the rumor held that the Obama administration separated more children from their parents than the Trump administration, a claim stemming from an inaccurate retelling of the fact that an influx of unaccompanied minors from Latin America crossed the border in from 2014 onward. In those instances, minor children primarily traveled without their parents. Claims that the “law to separate families” was passed in 1997, those claims originated with a February 2018 Department of Homeland Security statement referencing “[l]egal loopholes [that] are exploited by minors, family units, and human smugglers.” The DHS statement claimed existing immigration policies “create a pull factor that invites more illegal immigration and encourages parents to pay and entrust their children to criminal organizations.” However, neither the 1997 Flores settlement nor a 2008 human trafficking law cited in that release in any way stipulated that the government separate children from their parents: A White House spokesman referred [Factcheck.org] to a DHS statement regarding a 1997 legal settlement and 2008 antitrafficking law affecting minors who are apprehended without a parent present: Under the 1997 settlement, DHS could detain unaccompanied children captured at the border for only 20 days before releasing them to foster families, shelters or sponsors, pending resolution of their immigration cases. The settlement was later expanded through other court rulings to include both unaccompanied and accompanied children. The William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008 requires unaccompanied minors from countries other than Mexico and Canada to be placed in the care of the Office of Refugee Resettlement, or relatives in the U.S., while they go through removal proceedings. The bipartisan bill was approved by unanimous consent and signed by Bush. But neither the court settlement nor the 2008 law require the Trump administration to “break up families.” A cluster of rumors about the controversial separation of families at the border held that the policy came before the Trump administration, either stemming from a 1997 “law” or purported policies of previous administrations. Those claims were false. No federal law required or suggested the family separation policy announced by Attorney General Sessions in several sets of remarks during April and May 2018. Here’s the underlying solution; don’t try to cross the border illegally. The same thing happens in many other countries, only worse.
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Post by The Escapist on Jun 19, 2018 13:38:35 GMT -5
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Post by WirralRiddler on Jun 19, 2018 13:39:07 GMT -5
Mad how there’s people out there who proper arselick politicians. Left wing right wing chicken wing they’re all a bunch of kunts The right/left wing paradigm is obvious Divide and Rule bullshit. I think we all get sucked into it sometimes though, i know i'm guilty of it to some extent. It's just there to keep us fighting among ourselves and not turn our collective attention towards the ones who are really pulling the strings. Democracy is just an illusion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 13:47:01 GMT -5
Do you have any integrity whatsoever lmao What are you taking about? You keep making claims that are then demonstrably proven to be false, and your reaction is to pivot rather than acknowledge your ignorance and irresponsibility.
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Post by jordan71421 on Jun 19, 2018 13:50:06 GMT -5
What are you taking about? You keep making claims that are then demonstrably proven to be false, and your reaction is to pivot rather than acknowledge your ignorance and irresponsibility. I said I got the year wrong of that picture. I’m not claiming to know everything about the situation, but I’m not going to just make Trump memes and call him a racist like everyone else so they can feel holier-than-thou. The roots of this immigration problem started decades back and this is why we are at this point.
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Post by WirralRiddler on Jun 19, 2018 14:22:34 GMT -5
You keep making claims that are then demonstrably proven to be false, and your reaction is to pivot rather than acknowledge your ignorance and irresponsibility. I said I got the year wrong of that picture. I’m not claiming to know everything about the situation, but I’m not going to just make Trump memes and call him a racist like everyone else so they can feel holier-than-thou. The roots of this immigration problem started decades back and this is why we are at this point.
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Post by RocketMan on Jun 19, 2018 14:28:39 GMT -5
hey donnie, its actually down by 10% and at its lowest in 30 years. but thanks for your input
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Post by funhouse on Jun 19, 2018 15:08:25 GMT -5
You can also address the second point if you like. Who do you support? You seem a staunch defender of people crticising him on some of his policy making. Like I said, this all started with Bill Clinton in the 90’s. You can look that up. I don’t support anybody. I just don’t spew bullshit out of my mouth because I don’t like the president. Could you at least be open about leaning to the right? Because I don't think it is a coincidence that almost all your opinions/thoughts of lately have just happened to be opinions/thoughts that are very common among right wingers/libertarians. And I also read that you didn't think Trump was racist, which makes me even more certain. Because the cat's out of the bag already, and if you don't see it it is either because you choose not to see it, or because all voices you're listening to are saying that he's not. Or you just like being the constant contrarian, disagreeing with everyone just to "trigger" them. I don't know, but let's just skip the "I don't support anybody" nonsense. (That doesnt mean I think you're a Trump fan btw, just that you would rather defend him than ever agreeing with annoying SJW's on any issue.)
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Post by jordan71421 on Jun 19, 2018 15:23:18 GMT -5
Like I said, this all started with Bill Clinton in the 90’s. You can look that up. I don’t support anybody. I just don’t spew bullshit out of my mouth because I don’t like the president. Could you at least be open about leaning to the right? Because I don't think it is a coincidence that almost all your opinions/thoughts of lately have just happened to be opinions/thoughts that are very common among right wingers/libertarians. And I also read that you didn't think Trump was racist, which makes me even more certain. Because the cat's out of the bag already, and if you don't see it it is either because you choose not to see it, or because all voices you're listening to are saying that he's not. Or you just like being the constant contrarian, disagreeing with everyone just to "trigger" them. I don't know, but let's just skip the "I don't support anybody" nonsense. (That doesnt mean I think you're a Trump fan btw, just that you would rather defend him than ever agreeing with annoying SJW's on any issue.) So you want my opinions to be more left leaning, is that what you’re saying? And no, I’m not going to say Trump is racist. That’s a bold statement to throw on somebody, and I’m not comfortable throwing that word on people I don’t know personally. And don’t call my views nonsense, I take a situation and decide how I feel on it. Some things I believe in are more left leaning, some are more right leaning. So be it.
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Post by matt on Jun 19, 2018 15:25:13 GMT -5
You’re a Christian aren’t you Jordan? Does the passage of “when a stranger sojourns you in your own land, you shall not do him wrong” resonate at all? Or are you blasphemous and cowboy politicians are now more important than the word of God for you..... People are SHITTING on Trump because it’s supposed to be COMMON FUCKING SENSE to have the compassion NOT TO DO THIS. There’s your solution - empathy for your fellow human being, which Trump supporters, and supposed ‘Christians’ lack in spades. We can debate the merits of migration laws and have a common sense perspective on it (and no, not all of us are free loving hippies who want to welcome terrorists according to Trump supporters), but there is absolutely no justification for what is happening at the moment, No, I’m not a Christian. Why would you assume that? I assumed wrong - I thought a few members here were, including yourself. But it doesn’t matter anyhow, because I believe true Christians wouldn’t defend the indefensible..... And no, compassion for fellow human beings isn’t ‘left wing’.
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Post by matt on Jun 19, 2018 15:31:33 GMT -5
You can also address the second point if you like. Who do you support? You seem a staunch defender of people crticising him on some of his policy making. Like I said, this all started with Bill Clinton in the 90’s. You can look that up. I don’t support anybody. I just don’t spew bullshit out of my mouth because I don’t like the president. Utterly utterly shameful Jordan. You preach that you’re the only ‘objective’ one in this debate and come out with this shite? “Make the lie big, keep it simple, keep saying it and eventually they will believe it” Joseph Goebbels, Nazi propaganda minister
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Post by funhouse on Jun 19, 2018 15:35:00 GMT -5
Could you at least be open about leaning to the right? Because I don't think it is a coincidence that almost all your opinions/thoughts of lately have just happened to be opinions/thoughts that are very common among right wingers/libertarians. And I also read that you didn't think Trump was racist, which makes me even more certain. Because the cat's out of the bag already, and if you don't see it it is either because you choose not to see it, or because all voices you're listening to are saying that he's not. Or you just like being the constant contrarian, disagreeing with everyone just to "trigger" them. I don't know, but let's just skip the "I don't support anybody" nonsense. (That doesnt mean I think you're a Trump fan btw, just that you would rather defend him than ever agreeing with annoying SJW's on any issue.) So you want my opinions to be more left leaning, is that what you’re saying? And no, I’m not going to say Trump is racist. That’s a bold statement to throw on somebody, and I’m not comfortable throwing that word on people I don’t know personally. And don’t call my views nonsense, I take a situation and decide how I feel on it. Some things I believe in are more left leaning, some are more right leaning. So be it. What? I said that you should just be honest about it, nothing else. And I didn't call your views nonsense, but you know that already. About Trump, there are several examples throughout his entire life where he has acted in a clearly racist manner(I could provide you with some links, but my guess is that you wouldn't be intrested in them). I don't have to know the guy to make that obvious observation. I know Hitler was a racist too(this is not a comparison between the two, I'm using Hitler because he's an easy example), and I didn't know him either. And I honestly can't recall you having had a left wing opinion on this thread ever, must have been before I became a member.
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Post by jordan71421 on Jun 19, 2018 15:38:39 GMT -5
Like I said, this all started with Bill Clinton in the 90’s. You can look that up. I don’t support anybody. I just don’t spew bullshit out of my mouth because I don’t like the president. Utterly utterly shameful Jordan. You preach that you’re the only ‘objective’ one in this debate and come out with this shite? “Make the lie big, keep it simple, keep saying it and eventually they will believe it” Joseph Goebbels, Nazi propaganda minister Have nothing of value of to say? Compare them to a nazi, that’ll work!
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Post by jordan71421 on Jun 19, 2018 15:40:08 GMT -5
So you want my opinions to be more left leaning, is that what you’re saying? And no, I’m not going to say Trump is racist. That’s a bold statement to throw on somebody, and I’m not comfortable throwing that word on people I don’t know personally. And don’t call my views nonsense, I take a situation and decide how I feel on it. Some things I believe in are more left leaning, some are more right leaning. So be it. What? I said that you should just be honest about it, nothing else. And I didn't call your views nonsense, but you know that already. About Trump, there are several examples throughout his entire life where he has acted in a clearly racist manner(I could provide you with some links, but my guess is that you wouldn't be intrested in them). I don't have to know the guy to make that obvious observation. I know Hitler was a racist too(this is not a comparison between the two, I'm using Hitler because he's an easy example), and I didn't know him either. I am honest. And I would love those links, because you’re making a bold claim calling Trump racist (not bold to you, because you’ll throw that word on anybody.) and of course, bring in the nazi comparisons. That always works!
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Post by funhouse on Jun 19, 2018 15:45:45 GMT -5
What? I said that you should just be honest about it, nothing else. And I didn't call your views nonsense, but you know that already. About Trump, there are several examples throughout his entire life where he has acted in a clearly racist manner(I could provide you with some links, but my guess is that you wouldn't be intrested in them). I don't have to know the guy to make that obvious observation. I know Hitler was a racist too(this is not a comparison between the two, I'm using Hitler because he's an easy example), and I didn't know him either. I am honest. And I would love those links, because you’re making a bold claim calling Trump racist (not bold to you, because you’ll throw that word on anybody.) and of course, bring in the nazi comparisons. That always works! That you think that is a "bold claim" says EVERYTHING about your current political beliefs. www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.htmlI brought up an example of a racist person that I have never met in person, and Hitler was a very obvious example so that's why I brought him up. Who would you have liked me to mention instead?
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Post by jordan71421 on Jun 19, 2018 15:51:41 GMT -5
I am honest. And I would love those links, because you’re making a bold claim calling Trump racist (not bold to you, because you’ll throw that word on anybody.) and of course, bring in the nazi comparisons. That always works! That you think that is a "bold claim" says EVERYTHING about your current political beliefs. www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.htmlI brought up an example of a racist person that I have never met in person, and Hitler was a very obvious example so that's why I brought him up. Who would you have liked me to mention instead? Over half of the things on that list aren’t racist at all, but are deemed racist because he’s critical of someone who isn’t white. I believe a lot of these aren’t justified. I just don’t think you or I have the full scope to call somebody racist. That’s something that you need to know the person well to understand their true intentions. It’s too loaded of a word to me
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Post by funhouse on Jun 19, 2018 16:00:27 GMT -5
Over half of the things on that list aren’t racist at all, but are deemed racist because he’s critical of someone who isn’t white. I believe a lot of these aren’t justified. I just don’t think you or I have the full scope to call somebody racist. That’s something that you need to know the person well to understand their true intentions. It’s too loaded of a word to me What about the other half? I agree not everything is relevant, but the things that are were included, so that's why I sent the link anyway.
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Post by Spaceman on Jun 19, 2018 16:02:23 GMT -5
This jordan dude can make dozens of posts without ever actually saying or commiting to anything lmao. Bright future as a politician tbh
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Post by jordan71421 on Jun 19, 2018 16:05:26 GMT -5
This jordan dude can make dozens of posts without ever actually saying or commiting to anything lmao. Bright future as a politician tbh I’m right here, so if you have something to say, say it to me directly. I’m sorry my opinions don’t completely align with yours, did I hurt your feelings?
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Post by matt on Jun 19, 2018 16:06:24 GMT -5
Utterly utterly shameful Jordan. You preach that you’re the only ‘objective’ one in this debate and come out with this shite? “Make the lie big, keep it simple, keep saying it and eventually they will believe it” Joseph Goebbels, Nazi propaganda minister Have nothing of value of to say? Compare them to a nazi, that’ll work! Pot. Kettle. Black. This is it with you Jordan, the minute you are found to be a liar, you try to distract from the argument - you don’t even try to defend your pathetic lies. The spreading of lies, misinformation, scapegoating and demonisation of an entire people is completely relevant to quoting Nazis. Read up on your history son, it might help you along the way.
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Post by jordan71421 on Jun 19, 2018 16:08:17 GMT -5
Over half of the things on that list aren’t racist at all, but are deemed racist because he’s critical of someone who isn’t white. I believe a lot of these aren’t justified. I just don’t think you or I have the full scope to call somebody racist. That’s something that you need to know the person well to understand their true intentions. It’s too loaded of a word to me What about the other half? I agree not everything is relevant, but the things that are were included, so that's why I sent the link anyway. Very questionable. But I can’t just call somebody racist that easily. There are many other instances of politicians (not just white politicians) who say/endorse racist-like behavior and people don’t bat an eye. For example, the fact so many Democrats endorse someone like louis farrakhan is very questionable to me. But oops, I shouldn’t say that. Only the right wing politicians are evil, right?
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Post by jordan71421 on Jun 19, 2018 16:10:00 GMT -5
Have nothing of value of to say? Compare them to a nazi, that’ll work! Pot. Kettle. Black. This is it with you Jordan, the minute you are found to be a liar, you try to distract from the argument - you don’t even try to defend your pathetic lies. The spreading of lies, misinformation, scapegoating and demonisation of an entire people is completely relevant to quoting Nazis. Read up on your history son, it might help you along the way. I acknowledged I was wrong. The only thing pathetic is bringing out the tired Nazi comparisons when you disagree with someone.
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