You can't go down to the store and buy a bomb, yet you can do this with a gun. That's the difference, Curie.

By not correctly labeling the problem, it will never be solved. By not addressing the systematic failings of parents, school officials, classmate bullying, and local law enforcement the problem will never get solved. By fear mongering, sensationalizing, and implementing a culture of fear, whereby giving any subsequent school shooter a further platform for his nefarious moment in history will not solve the issue!

Stricter gun laws and/or electing Democratic officials won’t solve the issue. You’ll have a new president with still another shooting under his watch. Mass shootings happened under Obama (and Clinton...). This isn’t a partisan issue. Nor is it anything to do with weaponry. The weekend march was more focused along partisan lines and anti-Trump rhetoric, using children as a political shield in the process. Politicizing the hell out of such tragedies will also not solve the issue.

Also, by blaming the weapon you take responsibility away from the actual perpetrator and that in itself is abhorrent. May was well not prosecute Cruz since it was the gun at fault! Ridiculous narrative.

I'll just need to keep rolling this one out I guess

Fun fact: humans actually can’t multitask. True story.

I don't know if you're trolling.

But I've taken Holocaust studies, and the 6 million comes straight from an Adolph Eichmann quote (you know, the guy who killed those 6 million), and valid well-sourced research.

Most researchers have arrived at 6 million through census records and Nazi record keeping. But even if we were to say that 6 million isn't a "sound" number. I don't think I've ever seen a shred of evidence or valid research from the last 30 years that has the figure below 5.5 million. Mind you, those figures are highly restrictive. Most well-sourced researchers and scholars would bet the over, and say that the 5.5 mill is the minimum (not the maximum), but there's only documentation for so much. So when you see the number: 6 million. That number is the number of deaths that can be safely proven.

Also, the 6 million is a count of "just" Jews. That doesn't include gypsies, the slavs, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, the disabled, and POWs.

To say it's a complete "fabrication" lacks any real research.

Former Justice of the United States Supreme Court, John Paul Stevens, wrote this below on the second Amendent in today's New York Times (mind you, Stevens is a Republican. Was appointed by Ford, and earlier by Nixon. And probably knows more about the Constitution and has seen more US history than 99.9% of the population).

Also, he clearly doesn't believe that students have solely been indoctrinated by a leftist agenda. But I'll just let the words of a clearly well-educated person speak:


"Rarely in my lifetime have I seen the type of civic engagement schoolchildren and their supporters demonstrated in Washington and other major cities throughout the country this past Saturday. These demonstrations demand our respect. They reveal the broad public support for legislation to minimize the risk of mass killings of schoolchildren and others in our society.

That support is a clear sign to lawmakers to enact legislation prohibiting civilian ownership of semiautomatic weapons, increasing the minimum age to buy a gun from 18 to 21 years old, and establishing more comprehensive background checks on all purchasers of firearms. But the demonstrators should seek more effective and more lasting reform. They should demand a repeal of the Second Amendment.

Concern that a national standing army might pose a threat to the security of the separate states led to the adoption of that amendment, which provides that “a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” Today that concern is a relic of the 18th century.
For over 200 years after the adoption of the Second Amendment, it was uniformly understood as not placing any limit on either federal or state authority to enact gun control legislation. In 1939 the Supreme Court unanimously held that Congress could prohibit the possession of a sawed-off shotgun because that weapon had no reasonable relation to the preservation or efficiency of a “well regulated militia.”

During the years when Warren Burger was our chief justice, from 1969 to 1986, no judge, federal or state, as far as I am aware, expressed any doubt as to the limited coverage of that amendment. When organizations like the National Rifle Association disagreed with that position and began their campaign claiming that federal regulation of firearms curtailed Second Amendment rights, Chief Justice Burger publicly characterized the N.R.A. as perpetrating “one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud, on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime.”

In 2008, the Supreme Court overturned Chief Justice Burger’s and others’ long-settled understanding of the Second Amendment’s limited reach by ruling, in District of Columbia v. Heller, that there was an individual right to bear arms. I was among the four dissenters.

That decision — which I remain convinced was wrong and certainly was debatable — has provided the N.R.A. with a propaganda weapon of immense power. Overturning that decision via a constitutional amendment to get rid of the Second Amendment would be simple and would do more to weaken the N.R.A.’s ability to stymie legislative debate and block constructive gun control legislation than any other available option.

That simple but dramatic action would move Saturday’s marchers closer to their objective than any other possible reform. It would eliminate the only legal rule that protects sellers of firearms in the United States — unlike every other market in the world. It would make our schoolchildren safer than they have been since 2008 and honor the memories of the many, indeed far too many, victims of recent gun violence."

One guy killed 6 million and counted as he went I guess. But if you say you did a study then it must be true.

I don´t get what´s your point? Official German policy was to kill as much Jews as they can. There is no doubt about that. There are people still alive who can testify. I know for the fact that when Germany occupied Yugoslavia/Serbia, they were killing every Jew they could find or they were sending them to concentration camps. If they could kill all Jews, they would do  that. If we, Serbs, killed one German, they would revenge and kill 100 Serbs because of that but they were killing Jews just because they are Jews. Why does it matter then if its 6 million or 2 or whatever.

I am Serb from Croatia and Croatia was doing the same thing to Serbs in WW2 as Germany to Jews. I can tell you, and it is 100% true that numbers are actually bigger than official. Because I know how many members of my family were murdered and they were never on any list. Now they are giving us some small numbers for Jasenovac etc. but everybody knows what happened. It was different times, people were living in villages, far from cities, they didn´t have this fancy ID cards, passports...as we now have. They often didn´t even exist for their country but their relatives, neighbours...knew who they were or they were on some list in local church but they often ´´forgot´´to look at that list.
Just imagine how many Jews were murdered in some villages in Poland or Lithuania or wherever. And it was never registered anywhere.

But to repeat my question, what are you trying to say when you say that 6 million is not real number? That holocaust didn´t happen or what? Because that´s just not true and even Nazis were not hiding that. If we say that the real number is 4 354 643, what different does it make (I´m not saying that 1 700 000 people don´t matter, I´m just talking about Nazis intentions)?

Pretty sure the Nazi party and their collaborators didn’t just amount to one single man. And I think ‘a’ study can be amounted to hundreds of thousands of studies. What would you even say to a Holocaust survivor? Have you even met one? Or are they just part of a facade of sympathy to maintain their power of the exploitative capitalist system we live in?

charming. All I've done is question a damn number but people wanna get their knickers in a twist.

I'll retract, the number of jews killed in the Holocaust was 6 million. Exactly that no more no less. Happy?

A lot of other people died too lets not forget, there was a world war going on. They say total deaths world wide 50-80 million as a conservative estimate. Who really knows for sure? It's all guess work really.

But for sure 6 million.

Yeah it's hard to make a completely reliable estimate, especially when you think about all the uncounted victims that were simply pushed off the edges of our square shaped world, to then be endlessly floating in space. Or as i would call it, "space".

well your original message began with , 'I wouldn't go as far as to say the Holocaust didn't happen but' so it was suggesting a bit more than quibbling about exact numbers. No one knows the exact figure but research over the past 70+ years put the estimated number of jews killed at around 6 million. Could be a bit higher or lower but what does that matter. No is claiming it is an exact and accurate figure that I've ever seen, apart from yourself on here.