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Post by chamu on Nov 30, 2017 4:28:01 GMT -5
Marketing is very important, a key thing for success, that´s for sure. But you can have the best marketing team around you and then you act on X-Factor performing "Second Bite of the Apple". Result: 0 hype around, trashing the band&the song&Liam all over social media and your success is reduced drastically. So, for me, Liam´s extraordinary success this year is a sum of different things. A great marketing campaign but a great album and great live shows too. In the same way, i really think that Noel´s relative success last years is a sum of different things. An average marketing campaign, a forgettable last album and a not so great live shows. Well in the end we agree, cept for the Noel album, which is fantastic, and his live shows (ive seen one) are pretty good, very tight band, solid vocals and good song rework. Dont get me wrong, i really really like Liam's solo record, just that people who think only the music is the key to his success are fooling themselves. The marketing has done 80% of the job. His twitter rants, his "good guy" interviews, lots of festivals to reach a new audience, and sadly, the Manchester attacks also helped Liam's re-launch in a way. He was again the voice of a generation when Noel was nowhere to be seen. And that's a big mistake Noel did back then not to show up, although he was entitled not to. The failure of Beady Eye is a proof of bad marketing : bad single choices (Bring the light, Apple), bad producer choice (on the first record). Then they try "something new" with BE and alienate their fanbase... uho, just like Noel. Maybe a mix of DGSS and Be could have worked. The songs were there, especially on BE but most of the good ones are bsides... Timing is also very important and the time was not right for Beady Eye, people were not missing Oasis enough. Anywyay, i think it's fantastic that we got two good (and very different) records from them in only two months. peace. Yes, in the end we agree  . I must say that i´ve been listening WBTM these days and, yes, it´s a good record. Some songs have stucked in my head in a way i didn´t think. But, for Noel´s stantards (for me) in terms of great songs is one step below of his career. i think they spent a lot of time polishing the sound but nor the songs. It´s just my point of view. I´ve seen Oasis (7 times), NGHFB (3 times), Beady Eye (2 times) and Liam (one time) live. And they´re completely different experiences. I love Oasis and seeing them live was a truly phenomenal experience. Then, Beady Eye did a great job live. Great band with a lack of truly great songs (but i must say i really enjoy its albums). NGHFB, on the other hand, i slightly disagree with you. They sound tight, they do a great job, but their shows (for me) need more passion and are an enjoyables but not memorables ones. And Liam, for me, it´s the nearest you can be to an Oasis show. Passion, attitude and great songs |
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Post by andymorris on Nov 30, 2017 12:01:21 GMT -5
Yes, in the end we agree . I must say that i´ve been listening WBTM these days and, yes, it´s a good record. Some songs have stucked in my head in a way i didn´t think. But, for Noel´s stantards (for me) in terms of great songs is one step below of his career. i think they spent a lot of time polishing the sound but nor the songs. It´s just my point of view. I´ve seen Oasis (7 times), NGHFB (3 times), Beady Eye (2 times) and Liam (one time) live. And they´re completely different experiences. I love Oasis and seeing them live was a truly phenomenal experience. Then, Beady Eye did a great job live. Great band with a lack of truly great songs (but i must say i really enjoy its albums). NGHFB, on the other hand, i slightly disagree with you. They sound tight, they do a great job, but their shows (for me) need more passion and are an enjoyables but not memorables ones. And Liam, for me, it´s the nearest you can be to an Oasis show. Passion, attitude and great songs Yeah watch Oasis or Noel is a totally different experience. I've seen quite a few Oasis gigs and quite a few of Noel's, and both have their own appeal. Oasis gigs were a giant party. Noel's gigs are more about the music. As for WBTM, it is indeed sound before songs, although multiple listens and time tend to soften that view of the new record. The songs are only starting to emerge to me, and i listen to it once a day. Sure they are less structured, the melodies are less complex, but I believe this record is one of the best he's ever done. |
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Post by shinpad on Dec 1, 2017 10:50:09 GMT -5
Noel's gigs are more about the music for sure, but I find that his live shows are kind of like latter-day Oasis - they're going to be performed basically exactly like the album and in a very workman-like manner. While Liam doesn't vary the songs in a live setting either I find that watching clips of both there's a presence or a vibrancy to the crowd and the music that seems different or missing from Noel's gigs (and even those latter year Oasis gigs). Even if it's the same set, it FEELS like something exciting could happen. Maybe I'm just giving Liam too much benefit of the doubt but that's how it comes across to me.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 1, 2017 11:09:52 GMT -5
Marketing is very important, a key thing for success, that´s for sure. But you can have the best marketing team around you and then you act on X-Factor performing "Second Bite of the Apple". Result: 0 hype around, trashing the band&the song&Liam all over social media and your success is reduced drastically. So, for me, Liam´s extraordinary success this year is a sum of different things. A great marketing campaign but a great album and great live shows too. In the same way, i really think that Noel´s relative success last years is a sum of different things. An average marketing campaign, a forgettable last album and a not so great live shows. Well in the end we agree, cept for the Noel album, which is fantastic, and his live shows (ive seen one) are pretty good, very tight band, solid vocals and good song rework. Dont get me wrong, i really really like Liam's solo record, just that people who think only the music is the key to his success are fooling themselves. The marketing has done 80% of the job. His twitter rants, his "good guy" interviews, lots of festivals to reach a new audience, and sadly, the Manchester attacks also helped Liam's re-launch in a way. He was again the voice of a generation when Noel was nowhere to be seen. And that's a big mistake Noel did back then not to show up, although he was entitled not to. The failure of Beady Eye is a proof of bad marketing : bad single choices (Bring the light, Apple), bad producer choice (on the first record). Then they try "something new" with BE and alienate their fanbase... uho, just like Noel. Maybe a mix of DGSS and Be could have worked. The songs were there, especially on BE but most of the good ones are bsides... Timing is also very important and the time was not right for Beady Eye, people were not missing Oasis enough. Anywyay, i think it's fantastic that we got two good (and very different) records from them in only two months. peace. The album and live performances are only responsible for 20%?  Can you show me how you've arrived at that figure. |
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Post by ricardogce on Dec 1, 2017 16:24:28 GMT -5
Well in the end we agree, cept for the Noel album, which is fantastic, and his live shows (ive seen one) are pretty good, very tight band, solid vocals and good song rework. Dont get me wrong, i really really like Liam's solo record, just that people who think only the music is the key to his success are fooling themselves. The marketing has done 80% of the job. His twitter rants, his "good guy" interviews, lots of festivals to reach a new audience, and sadly, the Manchester attacks also helped Liam's re-launch in a way. He was again the voice of a generation when Noel was nowhere to be seen. And that's a big mistake Noel did back then not to show up, although he was entitled not to. The failure of Beady Eye is a proof of bad marketing : bad single choices (Bring the light, Apple), bad producer choice (on the first record). Then they try "something new" with BE and alienate their fanbase... uho, just like Noel. Maybe a mix of DGSS and Be could have worked. The songs were there, especially on BE but most of the good ones are bsides... Timing is also very important and the time was not right for Beady Eye, people were not missing Oasis enough. Anywyay, i think it's fantastic that we got two good (and very different) records from them in only two months. peace. The album and live performances are only responsible for 20%? Can you show me how you've arrived at that figure. Anything to cast a shadow on the sales figures, it seems. Apparently people are only buying AYW because Liam's funny on Twitter, don't you know? |
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Post by AppleScruff on Dec 1, 2017 17:25:08 GMT -5
Yeah Blossoms swayed me. A group of 5 of us now booked up for Amsterdam - can't complain at 44 Euro a ticket and it's a handy excuse for a few days away! I'd normally go to the Hydro but 70 odd quid is hard to justify, especially when Noel was barely changing the set last time. Hopefully changed days with the new material. And Blossoms are great, seriously under rated on here, I don't think people recognise how good a song writer Tom Ogden is. Liam should defo let him write him a song or two. Is the venue in Amsterdam far from the centre? Are the negative comments just down to it being a typical soulless indoor arena type place? |
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Post by frogerz on Dec 2, 2017 7:35:47 GMT -5
Yeah Blossoms swayed me. A group of 5 of us now booked up for Amsterdam - can't complain at 44 Euro a ticket and it's a handy excuse for a few days away! I'd normally go to the Hydro but 70 odd quid is hard to justify, especially when Noel was barely changing the set last time. Hopefully changed days with the new material. And Blossoms are great, seriously under rated on here, I don't think people recognise how good a song writer Tom Ogden is. Liam should defo let him write him a song or two. Is the venue in Amsterdam far from the centre? Are the negative comments just down to it being a typical soulless indoor arena type place? With that price difference I agree it makes sense to do Amsterdam! I'd agree Tom Ogden has got some good tunes. Blossoms are a good band on the up. Is it what was call the Heineken Music Hall? If so it's a 20 minute train journey from Central Station and right by the Amsterdam ArenA. Plenty of bars around that area too which is handy. I saw Noel there in 2016 and thought the venue was decent in fairness, felt intimate enough for a small arena. |
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Post by mimmihopps on Dec 2, 2017 8:12:14 GMT -5
Yeah Blossoms swayed me. A group of 5 of us now booked up for Amsterdam - can't complain at 44 Euro a ticket and it's a handy excuse for a few days away! I'd normally go to the Hydro but 70 odd quid is hard to justify, especially when Noel was barely changing the set last time. Hopefully changed days with the new material. And Blossoms are great, seriously under rated on here, I don't think people recognise how good a song writer Tom Ogden is. Liam should defo let him write him a song or two. Is the venue in Amsterdam far from the centre? Are the negative comments just down to it being a typical soulless indoor arena type place? The venue, AFAS Live - former known as Heineken Music Hall is located opposite of Amsterdam arena and it takes 15 minutes fron the Amsterdam Central Station by train or tube. The station Amsterdam Bijlmeer/Arena is a few minutes walk from venue. I've seen Oasis in 2005, 2009, Beaedy Eye in 2011 and Noel last year in this venue. The sound quality in the venue is excellent, but they do have tight security check and the door opens at 6:30 pm, support act starts at 8 pm, so once you're inside you have to wait at least for 1,5 hour. |
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Post by AppleScruff on Dec 2, 2017 11:05:45 GMT -5
Thanks for the info guys, I'm really buzzing for this now! I might get in touch closer to April for some other recommendations - bars/clubs in Amsterdam that play good indie music, that type of thing.
Got Liam on Monday night in Glasgow in the meantime. Great time for us Gallagher fans!
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 2, 2017 13:33:47 GMT -5
Yeah Blossoms swayed me. A group of 5 of us now booked up for Amsterdam - can't complain at 44 Euro a ticket and it's a handy excuse for a few days away! I'd normally go to the Hydro but 70 odd quid is hard to justify, especially when Noel was barely changing the set last time. Hopefully changed days with the new material. And Blossoms are great, seriously under rated on here, I don't think people recognise how good a song writer Tom Ogden is. Liam should defo let him write him a song or two. Is the venue in Amsterdam far from the centre? Are the negative comments just down to it being a typical soulless indoor arena type place? With that price difference I agree it makes sense to do Amsterdam! I'd agree Tom Ogden has got some good tunes. Blossoms are a good band on the up. Is it what was call the Heineken Music Hall? If so it's a 20 minute train journey from Central Station and right by the Amsterdam ArenA. Plenty of bars around that area too which is handy. I saw Noel there in 2016 and thought the venue was decent in fairness, felt intimate enough for a small arena. The Ziggo Dome is also right around the corner, which is also a great venue. |
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Post by bt95 on Dec 5, 2017 16:14:33 GMT -5
The Mehr theatre was a great venue in Hamburg for Kasabian.
Packed to capacity and could get right to the front - or as close as is reasonable anyway, so about 5 yards back - without any hassle. Didn't get in until halfway through the support act and it was easy to get drinks etc as the bar was about 20 yards away. Guessing AFAS is the same. Seeing Liam there next year, so hope so.
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Post by janedoe on Dec 5, 2017 17:46:56 GMT -5
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Post by joladella on Dec 9, 2017 11:36:09 GMT -5
I've just seen an advert for noel's Germany tour next year on music channel deluxe music.
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Post by saruzzu on Dec 18, 2017 12:50:43 GMT -5
Noel another one times in milan in june
Idays festival. I think 22 or 23 june
Liam play 21 june
Liam and noel are in the same festival
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Post by sirpsychosexy on Dec 18, 2017 13:10:40 GMT -5
Noel another one times in milan in june Idays festival. I think 22 or 23 june Liam play 21 june Liam and noel are in the same festival That's not really a festival. More like a series of gigs at the same place |
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Post by saruzzu on Dec 18, 2017 13:18:21 GMT -5
Noel another one times in milan in june Idays festival. I think 22 or 23 june Liam play 21 june Liam and noel are in the same festival That's not really a festival. More like a series of gigs at the same place Yes i know. There are 4-5 bands every day |
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Post by detroitmadferit on Feb 12, 2018 11:01:40 GMT -5
Anyone else going to the April 3rd show in Paris? Bought tix not realizing it was the start to his European tour... and I was also at the Detroit show on Friday for the start of the North American tour. Pretty cool  |
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Post by Derrick on Feb 12, 2018 14:24:46 GMT -5
Anyone else going to the April 3rd show in Paris? Bought tix not realizing it was the start to his European tour... and I was also at the Detroit show on Friday for the start of the North American tour. Pretty cool I'm going to the first Paris gig, can't remember the date though. |
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Post by dampcottage on Feb 13, 2018 9:57:54 GMT -5
Going to paris on the 3rd as well, first time at a gig outside the uk, looking forward to seeing what sort of crowd it will be, I do expect the majority will be from the uk and elsewhere
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Post by rockstar4 on Feb 14, 2018 7:13:09 GMT -5
6 out of the 12 UK dates are sold out already, some others are close to capacity.
Everything OK for Noel in the UK.
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Post by bt95 on Feb 21, 2018 3:33:04 GMT -5
mimmihopps (other mods are available), can we officially change this and the US Tour thread titles to 'Stranded on the Earth World Tour' |
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Post by Bellboy on Feb 21, 2018 18:16:42 GMT -5
Anyone any idea how much tickets are going to be? I can't get the link to work. Can't believe bloody Ticketmaster are being used agai! |
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Post by mimmihopps on Feb 22, 2018 14:25:18 GMT -5
mimmihopps (other mods are available), can we officially change this and the US Tour thread titles to 'Stranded on the Earth World Tour' Done. Also Noel is playing at this year's Pinkpop (thanks to eva). Tickets go on sale this Saturday and he's playing on Saturday 16th June. www.pinkpop.nl/2018/nl/act/noel-gallaghers-high-flying-birds/ |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 22, 2018 16:51:44 GMT -5
mimmihopps (other mods are available), can we officially change this and the US Tour thread titles to 'Stranded on the Earth World Tour' Done. Also Noel is playing at this year's Pinkpop (thanks to eva). Tickets go on sale this Saturday and he's playing on Saturday 16th June. www.pinkpop.nl/2018/nl/act/noel-gallaghers-high-flying-birds/Saw it on Facebook minutes after the press conference. Apparently it's become more expensive. The line up looks pretty shite bar a handful of artists. |
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Post by mimmihopps on Feb 23, 2018 3:25:03 GMT -5
Saw it on Facebook minutes after the press conference. Apparently it's become more expensive. The line up looks pretty shite bar a handful of artists. No way that I'll pay €100 for a day ticket just to see Noel's festival set. We're seeing him in April here anyway. |
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. I must say that i´ve been listening WBTM these days and, yes, it´s a good record. Some songs have stucked in my head in a way i didn´t think. But, for Noel´s stantards (for me) in terms of great songs is one step below of his career. i think they spent a lot of time polishing the sound but nor the songs. It´s just my point of view.
Can you show me how you've arrived at that figure.
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