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Post by themanwithnoname on Sept 4, 2017 17:56:59 GMT -5
I bought the discussion up after having a conversation with a mate who isnt a big Liam fan but loves Oasis/Noel. He really likes what Liam is doing now but was quick to put it all down to him getting his songs written for him. I just find that annoying because it's that typical scenario of i know he didnt even give BE a chance because he knew LAG written the songs. Yet he finds out someone else has written Wall Of Glass and FWIW and gives them that chance. I find it difficult to believe those songs are miles above the standard of the best Beady Eye songs, even if i do accept they are better produced and more marketable. Wall of Glass is far superior to any Beady Eye song. For What It's Worth is a bit too contrived but still outstrips Beady Eye's output. In my opinion. |
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Post by walterglass on Sept 4, 2017 17:59:39 GMT -5
Think the Liam-penned tracks are wonderful BUT I also wouldn't have wanted to be without FWIW, WOG & Chinatown these last few months, so I say he carries on down this route. If it ain't broke and all that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 18:04:00 GMT -5
Two words: Backup Dancers.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Sept 4, 2017 18:31:58 GMT -5
I bought the discussion up after having a conversation with a mate who isnt a big Liam fan but loves Oasis/Noel. He really likes what Liam is doing now but was quick to put it all down to him getting his songs written for him. I just find that annoying because it's that typical scenario of i know he didnt even give BE a chance because he knew LAG written the songs. Yet he finds out someone else has written Wall Of Glass and FWIW and gives them that chance. I find it difficult to believe those songs are miles above the standard of the best Beady Eye songs, even if i do accept they are better produced and more marketable. Wall of Glass is far superior to any Beady Eye song. For What It's Worth is a bit too contrived but still outstrips Beady Eye's output. In my opinion. I think its far better produced than any Beady Eye song and far more built for purpose but i dont think its far superior to Flick Of The Finger or The Roller. Of course its a matter of opinions but i dont think Wall Of Glass is melodically out of the range of any of the Beady Eye members. They just were not good enough at writing the songs for what the fans demanded at that time. Example being Andy, who has written some fucking great songs before Oasis but when he had to come to write Oasis songs we ended up with some very contrived lyrics and melodies. One thing i will say is, 4 or 5 writers to write Wall Of Glass just further highlights what a genius Noel is really. |
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Post by august on Sept 5, 2017 1:23:13 GMT -5
Liam has written at least 15 good verses. If he could only get some help with choruses and stuff, he could probably write a good second album.
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Post by august on Sept 5, 2017 1:25:37 GMT -5
Wall of Glass is far superior to any Beady Eye song. For What It's Worth is a bit too contrived but still outstrips Beady Eye's output. In my opinion. I think its far better produced than any Beady Eye song and far more built for purpose but i dont think its far superior to Flick Of The Finger or The Roller. Of course its a matter of opinions but i dont think Wall Of Glass is melodically out of the range of any of the Beady Eye members. They just were not good enough at writing the songs for what the fans demanded at that time. Example being Andy, who has written some fucking great songs before Oasis but when he had to come to write Oasis songs we ended up with some very contrived lyrics and melodies. One thing i will say is, 4 or 5 writers to write Wall Of Glass just further highlights what a genius Noel is really. Wall of glass is much better than any Beady eye song, in my opinion. But obviously not even close to any song written by Noel in the 90s. But I was never expecting that either. |
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Post by masterdat on Sept 5, 2017 1:58:33 GMT -5
As long as that extra songwriter is Noel....
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Post by joladella on Sept 5, 2017 4:30:22 GMT -5
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Post by mancraider on Sept 5, 2017 4:34:26 GMT -5
His hair has been getting shorter as well. Working up to the full body wax for his tour. |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Sept 5, 2017 4:49:34 GMT -5
You cant make jibes about decent choruses and then release In The Heat Of The Moment. If thats what Noel will give him then hes better off with who he has.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Sept 5, 2017 5:12:08 GMT -5
Wall of Glass is far superior to any Beady Eye song. For What It's Worth is a bit too contrived but still outstrips Beady Eye's output. In my opinion. I think its far better produced than any Beady Eye song and far more built for purpose but i dont think its far superior to Flick Of The Finger or The Roller. Of course its a matter of opinions but i dont think Wall Of Glass is melodically out of the range of any of the Beady Eye members. They just were not good enough at writing the songs for what the fans demanded at that time. Example being Andy, who has written some fucking great songs before Oasis but when he had to come to write Oasis songs we ended up with some very contrived lyrics and melodies. One thing i will say is, 4 or 5 writers to write Wall Of Glass just further highlights what a genius Noel is really. At their peak, Oasis were a pop-rock band - as Noel himself acknowledged. That's what Wall of Glass is - a catchy pop-rock tune. I like Flick of the Finger but it's a different kind of song that was never going to get mainstream exposure. The Roller was fun at first but soon got old, as with a lot of Beady Eye material it was too cliched and quickly sounded stale. Wall of Glass was a breath of fresh air. |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Sept 5, 2017 6:58:41 GMT -5
I think its far better produced than any Beady Eye song and far more built for purpose but i dont think its far superior to Flick Of The Finger or The Roller. Of course its a matter of opinions but i dont think Wall Of Glass is melodically out of the range of any of the Beady Eye members. They just were not good enough at writing the songs for what the fans demanded at that time. Example being Andy, who has written some fucking great songs before Oasis but when he had to come to write Oasis songs we ended up with some very contrived lyrics and melodies. One thing i will say is, 4 or 5 writers to write Wall Of Glass just further highlights what a genius Noel is really. At their peak, Oasis were a pop-rock band - as Noel himself acknowledged. That's what Wall of Glass is - a catchy pop-rock tune. I like Flick of the Finger but it's a different kind of song that was never going to get mainstream exposure. The Roller was fun at first but soon got old, as with a lot of Beady Eye material it was too cliched and quickly sounded stale. Wall of Glass was a breath of fresh air. Again, i agree but i think thats down to the modern sounding production rather than the quality of songwriting. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 7:48:09 GMT -5
I don't care as long as the tunes are good.
Does anyone care who writes a song other than the writer?
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Sept 5, 2017 8:45:01 GMT -5
I don't care as long as the tunes are good. Does anyone care who writes a song other than the writer? Looks like it judging by the poll |
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Post by ricardogce on Sept 5, 2017 10:28:32 GMT -5
You cant make jibes about decent choruses and then release In The Heat Of The Moment. If thats what Noel will give him then hes better off with who he has. The groundbreaking originality of "nanananananananananana-NANA" didn't give you goosebumps, mate? Yeah, me neither. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 10:32:30 GMT -5
You cant make jibes about decent choruses and then release In The Heat Of The Moment. If thats what Noel will give him then hes better off with who he has. The groundbreaking originality of "nanananananananananana-NANA" didn't give you goosebumps, mate? Yeah, me neither. The na-na-nas are not the chorus of that song. The chorus is actually quite good. |
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Post by ricardogce on Sept 5, 2017 10:35:35 GMT -5
The groundbreaking originality of "nanananananananananana-NANA" didn't give you goosebumps, mate? Yeah, me neither. The na-na-nas are not the chorus of that song. The chorus is actually quite good. It was a joke. The song's fine. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 5, 2017 10:47:13 GMT -5
In the heat of the moment is a fucking beast live.
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Post by Sodapop Curtis on Sept 5, 2017 11:02:05 GMT -5
In the heat of the moment is a fucking beast live. That's what your mom said about me last night..... Just kidding! Tip: I like to rinse hair conditoner for a long period of time, at least two minutes..... God bless. |
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Post by andymorris on Sept 5, 2017 11:43:28 GMT -5
Does anyone care who writes a song other than the writer? Many people care, though most of the fanbase don't. I suppose there are two types of fans. some are there for the fun and the enjoyment of it all, and that's fine, some other are there for the whole artist / songwriter experience. Songwriters will always be above "just" a performer to me, simply because i value songwriting more than performance. Songs are always more authentic when they are sung by the writer. Especially solo artists. Some solo artist are not great singers, or great musicians, but it's the songs that matter and it's the songs that will make them what they are. In a way, when Liam relies to other songwriters, he's just a Robbie Williams of rock n Roll. He sings well on a song written for him. Cool. But so what ? It could have been sung by Robbie Williams as well... It can feel a bit bland or beige to some people. When it's a band effort like in Oasis, it's different. The band is the entity, the artist, so in a way, a song is written by one band member but belongs to the whole band. It's like going to a movie, some people go to see the performance of some actors, some go to see films for the director or the writer. It's a complete different approach to art. Take JJ Abrams for example: when you watch one of his movies, you just know it's his movie. Same goes for his TV shows. Or Woody Allen, even when he's not acting in it. It's natural talent against creativity. I prefer when both are working hand in hand. Or it's just missing something. |
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Post by mostlyharmless on Sept 5, 2017 11:55:07 GMT -5
For this album Liam hardly know the songwriters. It's good that they got along and the writing process was really quick, but for next one I hope they sorta mess around, talk about ideas and take some time to put songs into shape, be it bandmate, his friend or songwriter he's comfortable to work with. To me FWIW's problem is it's a song meant to be personal (an apology), whereas it sounds a bit like "I'm writing for my customer not my friend". I still love that song but if they hadn't tried to make an Oasis-y ballad it would probably be even better.
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Post by walterglass on Sept 5, 2017 11:55:39 GMT -5
At the same time plenty only get drawn to the band or creative team because of one single highly charismatic dude at the front.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Sept 5, 2017 12:35:02 GMT -5
Does anyone care who writes a song other than the writer? Many people care, though most of the fanbase don't. I suppose there are two types of fans. some are there for the fun and the enjoyment of it all, and that's fine, some other are there for the whole artist / songwriter experience. Songwriters will always be above "just" a performer to me, simply because i value songwriting more than performance. Songs are always more authentic when they are sung by the writer. Especially solo artists. Some solo artist are not great singers, or great musicians, but it's the songs that matter and it's the songs that will make them what they are. In a way, when Liam relies to other songwriters, he's just a Robbie Williams of rock n Roll. He sings well on a song written for him. Cool. But so what ? It could have been sung by Robbie Williams as well... It can feel a bit bland or beige to some people. When it's a band effort like in Oasis, it's different. The band is the entity, the artist, so in a way, a song is written by one band member but belongs to the whole band. It's like going to a movie, some people go to see the performance of some actors, some go to see films for the director or the writer. It's a complete different approach to art. Take JJ Abrams for example: when you watch one of his movies, you just know it's his movie. Same goes for his TV shows. Or Woody Allen, even when he's not acting in it. It's natural talent against creativity. I prefer when both are working hand in hand. Or it's just missing something. I agree with pretty much all of that. Only thing to bear in mind is that without the success of Wall of Glass this album wouldn't do as well as I'm hoping it will - and that would have meant he didn't get to do another one. That way you don't get to hear Liam sing full stop. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 5, 2017 14:22:30 GMT -5
In the heat of the moment is a fucking beast live. That's what your mom said about me last night..... Just kidding! Tip: I like to rinse hair conditoner for a long period of time, at least two minutes..... God bless. Two minutes is not nearly long enough. |
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Post by Sodapop Curtis on Sept 5, 2017 14:26:50 GMT -5
That's what your mom said about me last night..... Just kidding! Tip: I like to rinse hair conditoner for a long period of time, at least two minutes..... God bless. Two minutes is not nearly long enough. Wow, I thought two minutes of rinsing was excessive, but my hair's also really short.... This is a good haircare brand..... briogeohair.comMight be available in your country. God bless. |
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