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Post by spaneli on Jan 6, 2016 11:12:48 GMT -5
The only thing saving Peyton Manning, Julius Peppers, Ryan Howard and Ryan Zimmermann right now is that this HGH/Steroid report came fork Al Jazeers and many people don't trust the journalism of an Arab run news organization. However, other outlets will keep digging too and come up with more evidence and links. New York Times is no joke. www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/sports/baseball/al-jazeera-peyton-manning-derek-jeter-charles-sly.html?ref=sports&_r=0The NFL SHOULD take this serious since they went crazy over deflategate with no evidence produced. This time a news source got evidence. The key is the Peyton lawyers denying he did or received HGH but they won't deny his wife Ashley received several shipments of HGH in her name. Doesn't take a genius to connect the dots and realize who that is for. If Peyton took steroids in 11, which might have added three extra years to his career, then that's a few records and a super bowl he wouldn't have gone to or had . That surely affects his legacy. Secondly, I agree with you. Al Jazeera's reporting is solid and even with the recanted statements by Sly, I believe Peyton took HGH. The sad thing is that if one is being FAIR, if you question Brady's entire legacy because of spy gate and deflate gate, then you have to question Peyton's. Because the question comes about, "Does one assume that 11 was the only year Peyton decided to cheat?". Just as it would be naive to believe Peyton did not take HGH in 11, it would be just as naive to assume this might have been a one time deal. Now, obviously there's no evidence of other incidents, but there wasn't evidence of this incident until it was reported. In my opinion, it furthers the belief that every team or player or coach cheats in some way. That's it. And to single out brady and only the patriots...when there has been significant evidence of other players cheating is either working with blinders on or only having a personal gripe against that team.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 6, 2016 11:24:42 GMT -5
The only thing saving Peyton Manning, Julius Peppers, Ryan Howard and Ryan Zimmermann right now is that this HGH/Steroid report came fork Al Jazeers and many people don't trust the journalism of an Arab run news organization. However, other outlets will keep digging too and come up with more evidence and links. New York Times is no joke. www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/sports/baseball/al-jazeera-peyton-manning-derek-jeter-charles-sly.html?ref=sports&_r=0The NFL SHOULD take this serious since they went crazy over deflategate with no evidence produced. This time a news source got evidence. The key is the Peyton lawyers denying he did or received HGH but they won't deny his wife Ashley received several shipments of HGH in her name. Doesn't take a genius to connect the dots and realize who that is for. If Peyton took steroids in 11, which might have added three extra years to his career, then that's a few records and a super bowl he wouldn't have gone to or had . That surely affects his legacy. Secondly, I agree with you. Al Jazeera's reporting is solid and even with the recanted statements by Sly, I believe Peyton took HGH. The sad thing is that if one is being FAIR, if you question Brady's entire legacy because of spy gate and deflate gate, then you have to question Peyton's. Because the question comes about, "Does one assume that 11 was the only year Peyton decided to cheat?". Just as it would be naive to believe Peyton did not take HGH in 11, it would be just as naive to assume this might have been a one time deal. Now, obviously there's no evidence of other incidents, but there wasn't evidence of this incident until it was reported. In my opinion, it furthers the belief that every team or player or coach cheats in some way. That's it. And to single out brady and only the patriots...when there has been significant evidence of other players cheating is either working with blinders on or only having a personal gripe against that team. It's pretty clear to me that something went down with Sly and the health clinic all these players "attended". As the New York Times reported, direct links and ties to why these certain players were named. I only want balance from the NFL. They went hard after Brady/Patriots, they gotta go hard into this. This one is more damning because actual evidence was produced and links several players across multiple sports. Gotta dig in and look deeper. I won't believe that Ashley Manning was doing multiple cycles of HGH. Gimme a break.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 6, 2016 11:26:27 GMT -5
Id rather root for a guy who may or may not have used hgh to prolonge his carrear Than a qb. Who has seen all his Super Bowls wins tainted by either spygate or deflate gate. Where there is smoke there is fire. Peyton may have used hgh in 11 but he won his title long before that ........Brady needed spy's. Deflated balls , It's always something with him and the patriots. Just sayin Thanks And Peyton had to face one of the most sub par Super Bowl finalists in history, my Bears, to finally get over the hump. Peyton only has the one super bowl over Rex Grossman and the Bears. Every other year in the playoffs have been flame outs. Peyton needed Rex Grossman for his one. Just sayin It also took an amazing 2nd half collapse from the Patriots in the 2007 AFC title game for the Colts to get to the Super Bowl. Patriots would have smoked the Bears. Sorry no offense spaneli. It would have been a blood bath. On the flip side, Manning and the Colts barely got by and Peyton played like shit per usual in January.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 11:26:30 GMT -5
He got them to super bowl Grossman And last it checked Peyton didn't steal signals
Just sayin
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 6, 2016 11:34:22 GMT -5
He got them to super bowl Grossman And last it checked Peyton didn't steal signals Just sayin No but it looks like he took HGH to help comeback from a serious neck injury, then went on to set the single season TD record and take the Broncos to a Super Bowl which he choked in and sulked all game on the sideline with his helmet on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 11:35:51 GMT -5
And " genius ". Or " consiense "
Since it's pretty clear everybody cheated since the beginning of the NFL. Who really cares ? If your not cheating your not trying .....ever heard that In in the NFL it's a fact from Brady to Peyton , to terry , to Bart , to even Montana , Every one cheated it's what you do in football to get a edge .... Getting caught only tarnishes the story
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 6, 2016 11:37:04 GMT -5
I kinda lost a lot of respect for Jim Nantz last Sunday by the stance he took prior to his calling of the Broncos game. He said he wouldn't bring up ANY of the HGH/Al Jazeera stuff because he didn't want to breathe life into a factious story. Come on Jim, there is obvious crediblility here. You really think Ashley Manning is now a bodybuilder taking multiple shipment of HGH? You are smarter than that. I get he and Peyton are friends but you gotta be honest and fair if it comes up.
I also think Nantz comments on golfers taking HGH/Steroids are naive. He said it's a gentlemen game and golfers wouldn't do that. Clean sports. GIMME A BREAK!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 11:38:04 GMT -5
Everybody cheated. Just like stealing a sign in baseball. Deal with it. Hey it made Brady a legend
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 11:39:16 GMT -5
Honest and fair In football. ? Please
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 6, 2016 11:39:59 GMT -5
Honest and fair In football. ? Please I said honest and fair in journalism coverage. Not football.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 11:41:37 GMT -5
I always thought Nantes was a putz. Very overrated
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Post by spaneli on Jan 6, 2016 12:10:17 GMT -5
He got them to super bowl Grossman And last it checked Peyton didn't steal signals Just sayin Do you mean Peyton or Grossman got them there? Grossman getting them there would be an over statement. Took one of the great defenses in Bears history to do it. Their defense and Devin Hester were monsters that year. Grossman was along for the ride, and the WR core was average at best. And I second Lennon. It took a big collapse by the Patriots for the Peyton to get there. Either way, Peyton is 0-2 in the Super Bowls where Grossman didn't play.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jan 6, 2016 12:11:29 GMT -5
Id rather root for a guy who may or may not have used hgh to prolonge his carrear Than a qb. Who has seen all his Super Bowls wins tainted by either spygate or deflate gate. Where there is smoke there is fire. Peyton may have used hgh in 11 but he won his title long before that ........Brady needed spy's. Deflated balls , It's always something with him and the patriots. Just sayin Thanks I'd rather have the wins. People can say they are tainted but if I was a fan of the team I wouldn't care. To me the Ohio State national championship over the Hurricanes is tainted because of the last play in regulation. I guarantee Buckeye fans don't feel that way. i Loved that game..... ------- Tom Brady didn't have a limp today at his press conference after getting hurt on Sunday....HGH, baby! Thanks.
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Post by spaneli on Jan 6, 2016 12:13:19 GMT -5
And Peyton had to face one of the most sub par Super Bowl finalists in history, my Bears, to finally get over the hump. Peyton only has the one super bowl over Rex Grossman and the Bears. Every other year in the playoffs have been flame outs. Peyton needed Rex Grossman for his one. Just sayin It also took an amazing 2nd half collapse from the Patriots in the 2007 AFC title game for the Colts to get to the Super Bowl. Patriots would have smoked the Bears. Sorry no offense spaneli. It would have been a blood bath. On the flip side, Manning and the Colts barely got by and Peyton played like shit per usual in January. Bears most likely would have been killed by the Patriots. Their cover 2 never matched up well with the Patriots. See the Bears/Patriots regular season match-ups. They were all blow-outs. That Bears team that went to the Super Bowl was good, but it was a weak year in the NFC, and in most years the Bears wouldn't have been in that game.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 12:17:12 GMT -5
All I'm sayin is simple. Peyton won his super bowl. Was he the biggest winner ? No. But he is a BETER qb than Brady If you put Brady on mannings teams they lose if you put Peyton on the patriots. They have 6 Super Bowls. The patriots won by special teams , defense , luck , bad calls , Brady was gifted his titles. And if you poll nfl players. The majority would still go to war with Peyton if both are healthy
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 6, 2016 12:18:10 GMT -5
He got them to super bowl Grossman And last it checked Peyton didn't steal signals Just sayin Do you mean Peyton or Grossman got them there? Grossman getting them there would be an over statement. Took one of the great defenses in Bears history to do it. Their defense and Devin Hester were monsters that year. Grossman was along for the ride, and the WR core was average at best. And I second Lennon. It took a big collapse by the Patriots for the Peyton to get there. Either way, Peyton is 0-2 in the Super Bowls where Grossman didn't play. That 2007 AFC Title game loss to the Colts was one of my most painful sports experiences ever. Horrible loss. Another Super Bowl trophy was lost on the field that day. Hats off to the Colts for fighting hard. They earned it.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 6, 2016 12:22:09 GMT -5
All I'm sayin is simple. Peyton won his super bowl. Was he the biggest winner ? No. But he is a BETER qb than Brady If you put Brady on mannings teams they lose if you put Peyton on the patriots. They have 6 Super Bowls. The patriots won by special teams , defense , luck , bad calls , Brady was gifted his titles. And if you poll nfl players. The majority would still go to war with Peyton if both are healthy Gifted his titles? He won 3 super bowl MVPS. It's too easy to say "put manning on the patriots" and he has 4 rings. You are neglecting the huge fact that Peyton played poorly in all his Super Bowls and most playoff games. Brady elevated his game in January. He's great in regular season and postseason (obviously). For all of Peytons amazing regular season numbers, he will always be remembered for being a lame duck come playoffs. I'd rather have Eli in a big game over Peyton. You can keep Peytons TD, passing and wins records. None of that matters if you can't rise in January.
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Post by Sternumman on Jan 6, 2016 12:32:23 GMT -5
All I'm sayin is simple. Peyton won his super bowl. Was he the biggest winner ? No. But he is a BETER qb than Brady If you put Brady on mannings teams they lose if you put Peyton on the patriots. They have 6 Super Bowls. The patriots won by special teams , defense , luck , bad calls , Brady was gifted his titles. And if you poll nfl players. The majority would still go to war with Peyton if both are healthy Gifted? If he won one or even two. He won four. Peyton had a stacked offense for years. Harrison James and Wayne. Brady never had weapons like Peyton. Just Moss in the year they broke the TD record.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 12:33:14 GMT -5
3 mvp. ? They give it to the winning qb just about every year. Big deal Your neglecting the fact Peyton never had a team built for January. Where Brady did. Thank bellicheck. Brady was a spear carrier. Put manning there. Who knows how many they have. He and gronk. Unstoppable.
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Post by Sternumman on Jan 6, 2016 12:33:23 GMT -5
All I'm sayin is simple. Peyton won his super bowl. Was he the biggest winner ? No. But he is a BETER qb than Brady If you put Brady on mannings teams they lose if you put Peyton on the patriots. They have 6 Super Bowls. The patriots won by special teams , defense , luck , bad calls , Brady was gifted his titles. And if you poll nfl players. The majority would still go to war with Peyton if both are healthy Gifted? If he won one or even two. He won four. Peyton had a stacked offense for years. Harrison James and Wayne. Brady never had weapons like Peyton. Just Moss in the year they broke the TD record. Plus I can't think of a RB Brady ever had that was a probowler or a game changer like James was.
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Post by spaneli on Jan 6, 2016 12:36:20 GMT -5
All I'm sayin is simple. Peyton won his super bowl. Was he the biggest winner ? No. But he is a BETER qb than Brady If you put Brady on mannings teams they lose if you put Peyton on the patriots. They have 6 Super Bowls. The patriots won by special teams , defense , luck , bad calls , Brady was gifted his titles. And if you poll nfl players. The majority would still go to war with Peyton if both are healthy Let's not act like Brady was playing with all pro's. Other than Moss, I can't remotely think of a #1 WR he had through that time, nor a #1 RB. Peyton on the other hand had the "Edge" Edgerin James, Marvin Harrison, and Reggie Wayne. Give Brady those WR's and he most likely picks up Super Bowls with the Colts. For all the talk about Peyton having poor defenses behind him, in 2007 he had the #1 ranked defense in football. Peyton had a top 10 ranked defense four times during his years going against Brady with Colts. Polls: "Edelman and others around the NFL did just that in making Brady a runaway winner in ESPN.com's NFL Nation Confidential anonymous player survey. Brady received 128 of a possible 320 votes, outdistancing Peyton Manning, who tallied 86 votes. Brady has played in five Super Bowls, winning three by leading the Patriots from a fourth-quarter deficit or tie. In his 14-year career, he has engineered 41 winning drives from a fourth-quarter deficit or tie" espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10369063/tom-brady-new-england-patriots-voted-qb-most-players-want-clutch-survey"That’s the consensus of 28 executives from around the league, who were asked by NFL Media’s Albert Breer in August to predict who the NFL’s top five quarterbacks will be at season’s end. Here were their responses: 1. Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers 2. Andrew Luck, Indianapolis Colts 3. Tom Brady, Patriots 4. Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers 5. Tony Romo, Dallas Cowboys" Read more at: nesn.com/2015/09/tom-brady-is-nfls-third-best-quarterback-poll-of-league-execs-says/"Regardless of whether Brady was implicit in deflating, 52 percent of players in the ESPN poll feel that deflated footballs don't impact the outcome of the game. The ESPN poll also asked players whether or not they were upset with the Patriots for allegedly deflating footballs. While 72 percent believe that the Patriots did some deflating, only 16 percent are actually upset about it and 58 percent don't believe the Patriots are cheaters." www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nfl-player-survey-deflategate_55cb7cd9e4b0f1cbf1e70aa9
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Post by spaneli on Jan 6, 2016 12:39:54 GMT -5
All I'm sayin is simple. Peyton won his super bowl. Was he the biggest winner ? No. But he is a BETER qb than Brady If you put Brady on mannings teams they lose if you put Peyton on the patriots. They have 6 Super Bowls. The patriots won by special teams , defense , luck , bad calls , Brady was gifted his titles. And if you poll nfl players. The majority would still go to war with Peyton if both are healthy Gifted his titles? He won 3 super bowl MVPS. It's too easy to say "put manning on the patriots" and he has 4 rings. You are neglecting the huge fact that Peyton played poorly in all his Super Bowls and most playoff games. Brady elevated his game in January. He's great in regular season and postseason (obviously). For all of Peytons amazing regular season numbers, he will always be remembered for being a lame duck come playoffs. I'd rather have Eli in a big game over Peyton. You can keep Peytons TD, passing and wins records. None of that matters if you can't rise in January. This. The numbers bear out that it wasn't just Peyton being beat by a "better" team. His poor play also contributed to his early post season exits. He's 11-13 and though he's thrown 38 TD's in the playoffs, he has also thrown 24 INT's. That's like having Jay Cutler as your QB in the playoffs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 12:41:13 GMT -5
Who cares about polls ? Seriously man even in a NFL thread you spout crap. Your truly a geek
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 6, 2016 12:42:23 GMT -5
I will never dispute the greatness of Peyton Manning September through December. Guy was unreal. Come playoffs, I'd rather have so many other QBs starting with Tom Brady. A big moment QB who doesn't make mistakes with the ball.
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Post by spaneli on Jan 6, 2016 12:44:37 GMT -5
Who cares about polls ? Seriously man even in a NFL thread you spout crap. Your truly a geek Your words: "And if you poll nfl players. The majority would still go to war with Peyton if both are healthy" You're just pissed that people are actually debating you. You know, by presenting evidence and challenging claims. Standard debate. That's not "crap." Me expecting you to actually defend your point or posting evidence to refute your claims.
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