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Post by matt on Jun 4, 2017 11:58:39 GMT -5
I still stand by what I said. One trick pony? U2 went from post-punk to ambient experimentalism to electronica. Fuck knows what that is if it isn't versatility and adaptability. That's not versatility. Did the Edge really have to change his style or push his playing capabilities when he switched from experimentalisn to electronica? Answer: not that much. That pales in comparison to most great guitarists. Bizarre. Of course there's a big difference to the way he played - any U2 fan would be able to tell you the differences. Of course it's within his technical abilities but again, you're focusing way too narrowly on technique. I don't expect him to adapt to funk or blues or metal but does that mean he's not great? Yet again, I'll state the artist analogy - I wouldn't expect a great artist like Jackson Pollock to be able to adapt to a impressionist style of painting, and I wouldn't expect JMW Turner to successfully adapt to abstract art. But they are great because they are the best at what they do. The Edge is a great guitarist because he's carved out his own niche. Now that might not be a niche you particularly like, but the evidence is there to back it up as to how successful and critically acclaimed he made U2. I wouldn't expect Prince to be able to compose the U2 sound effectively and I wouldn't expect my favourite guitarist Johnny Marr to compose the U2 sound successfully because The Edge does it his way, and that way is what made U2 great.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jun 4, 2017 12:25:40 GMT -5
I think the idea that being able to play one certain style means you can't be a great guitarist is bizarre.
I think you're a great guitarist if you play with feeling and can sense what a certain track needs, even if that's just only for rock, or blues, or funk, or whatever. You have to have a certain "personality" that comes out in your playing.
For example, in the 90s Eric Clapton used to tour with George Harrison for a while, as a lead guitarist. I personally feel as if he really overplayed the solo's and I much rather hear George play his own solo's, even though Clapton is regarded as one of the best guitarists ever (so is George, but not as much as Clapton). Clapton just wasn't the perfect fit for that style, despite being an amazing guitarist.
I don't think I'm really making any sense. Oh well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 14:45:23 GMT -5
Anyone can shift from one style to another. Doing it well is a whole different thing. U2's version of electronica is a steaming pile of turd, but tbf so is their version of rock this millennium.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 15:14:48 GMT -5
Anyone can shift from one style to another. Doing it well is a whole different thing. U2's version of electronica is a steaming pile of turd, but tbf so is their version of rock this millennium. Do you mean Achtung Baby, Zooropa, Original Soundtracks 1 and Pop?
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Post by matt on Jun 10, 2017 15:20:32 GMT -5
Nah thats shite. Basically, U2 doing electronica is what Kasabian would sound like if they were any good. Pop was the last of abbrilliant run of albums. Not perfect but when compared with the MOR fodder afterwards (though I think All That You Can't Leave Behind does its job) it's lightyears ahead.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 17:29:01 GMT -5
Nah thats shite. Basically, U2 doing electronica is what Kasabian would sound like if they were any good. Pop was the last of abbrilliant run of albums. Not perfect but when compared with the MOR fodder afterwards (though I think All That You Can't Leave Behind does its job) it's lightyears ahead. No Line has a lot of potential, without Boots, Crazy Tonight and Stand Up Comedy, and the second half of Songs of Innocence + The Crystall Ballroom is pretty good. HTDAAB is their worsf album by a mile, and that won a grammy...
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Post by matt on Jun 10, 2017 18:58:59 GMT -5
Nah thats shite. Basically, U2 doing electronica is what Kasabian would sound like if they were any good. Pop was the last of abbrilliant run of albums. Not perfect but when compared with the MOR fodder afterwards (though I think All That You Can't Leave Behind does its job) it's lightyears ahead. No Line has a lot of potential, without Boots, Crazy Tonight and Stand Up Comedy, and the second half of Songs of Innocence + The Crystall Ballroom is pretty good. HTDAAB is their worsf album by a mile, and that won a grammy... Yeah I agree with all that. I can only imagine that HTDAAB got awards because U2 were still riding the wave of success that All That You Can't Leave Behind brought them. Because aside from a couple of songs, it's a very very poor U2 album, and as you say by far their worst. But the point about No Line is good, especially when reading what Brian Eno and Daniel Lanois had to say about it (that basically, it's original experimental concept was majorly compromised by the band's incessant need to water down their sound for mainstream consumption). There's only the odd fragment that suggests what album they were making before they brought in Will.I.Am (downright embarrassing I know) and Steve Lillywhite (the War album should have been the natural conclusion to that partnership - and that was already 27 years old by time No Line came out) to make it bland. The unreleased Songs of Ascent, where Eno had more free reign, would probably give a much greater idea of what the band were actually trying to do between the years 2007-2009.
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Post by mememe26 on Jun 30, 2017 14:20:14 GMT -5
Gem is in for the next tour with Tim Smith out. Also Jeremy Stacey won't be returnin', Sharrock keeps his place.
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Post by chamu on Jul 1, 2017 3:48:29 GMT -5
Gem is in for the next tour with Tim Smith out. Also Jeremy Stacey won't be returnin', Sharrock keeps his place. Hummm..he could hire Andy playing bass and change the name to Beady Eye Mk2
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Post by MSprague01 on Jul 1, 2017 11:59:35 GMT -5
I'm sure the fact that Chris and Gem are great musicians is the biggest reason for bringing them on, but I wonder if he's doing it just a little bit to spite Liam.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jul 1, 2017 13:40:36 GMT -5
No Stacey? I think that's a mistake. He contributed a bit to CY. Imagine Riverman without that solo.
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Post by matt on Jul 1, 2017 14:19:24 GMT -5
Rehiring members of Oasis? Really shocked as Noel's usually an open minded forward thinking kinda guy...
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Post by Didi on Jul 1, 2017 14:35:44 GMT -5
Gem is in for the next tour with Tim Smith out. Also Jeremy Stacey won't be returnin', Sharrock keeps his place. source?
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Post by carlober on Jul 1, 2017 15:34:18 GMT -5
No Stacey? I think that's a mistake. He contributed a bit to CY. Imagine Riverman without that solo. Paul 'Strangeboy" Stacey played that solo. It's his brother (Jeremy) who got replaced by Chris Sharrock on drums.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jul 1, 2017 17:54:43 GMT -5
No Stacey? I think that's a mistake. He contributed a bit to CY. Imagine Riverman without that solo. Paul 'Strangeboy" Stacey played that solo. It's his brother (Jeremy) who got replaced by Chris Sharrock on drums. Ah, I always forget there's two of them. That's probably for the best then. Sharrock is really good.
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Post by mememe26 on Jul 2, 2017 7:29:35 GMT -5
Gem is in for the next tour with Tim Smith out. Also Jeremy Stacey won't be returnin', Sharrock keeps his place. source? Friend of a friend. It's definitely true though. I'm not really surprised about Gem, always got the feelin' Noel would take him back eventually.
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Post by andymorris on Jul 3, 2017 6:27:46 GMT -5
If Gem is indeed back, good for him and good for Noel
He played noel's solos perfectly while adding his own style. Tim Smith was just too generic
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 8:10:53 GMT -5
In fairness, the absolute horror show that Liam's band is has made me reassess Tim Smith. Generic, yes, but at least he was solid and accurate.
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Post by scyhopath on Jul 3, 2017 8:33:13 GMT -5
Nice one, good to see Gem back in full swing for the first time since BDI got knocked on the head.
On a side note - it is quite telling about Gem that he managed to maintain good relations with both Gallaghers, which cannot be said for some other Oasis members. He always seemed the kind of guy you couldn't possibly hate.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 9:22:15 GMT -5
I don't care who Noel brings in as long as he keeps the bassist.
Everyone else is replaceable in my opinion.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jul 3, 2017 11:13:15 GMT -5
I don't care who Noel brings in as long as he keeps the bassist. Everyone else is replaceable in my opinion. Yeah, but I like Mike too, love his energy!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 11:44:35 GMT -5
Sharrock made a big difference towards the end of the last tour imo. I like the bassist too - he plays like a fan who got invited up on stage with Noel.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jul 3, 2017 12:43:04 GMT -5
Yeah Russ and Mike must definitely stay
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Post by andymorris on Jul 4, 2017 4:29:07 GMT -5
On a side note - it is quite telling about Gem that he managed to maintain good relations with both Gallaghers, which cannot be said for some other Oasis members. He always seemed the kind of guy you couldn't possibly hate. Gem is probably the luckiest man in rock n roll. He was nothing, frankly, before being hired in Oasis. Then, true, he managed to become a good sidekick for those two. I suppose he is pretty aware that he's really lucky he landed that job in the first place. He's a good guy, and i'm looking forward to seing him with NGHFB.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 5:22:13 GMT -5
I'm sure the fact that Chris and Gem are great musicians is the biggest reason for bringing them on, but I wonder if he's doing it just a little bit to spite Liam. Maybe Noel misses Oasis. This way he can get some of that fun of playing live back without the two members he didn't get along that well (Liam & allegedly Andy).
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