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Post by glio on Apr 15, 2017 5:46:47 GMT -5
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Post by carlober on Apr 15, 2017 5:58:47 GMT -5
Wikipedia is not a reliable source in this kind of situations. Anyone could have made that up.
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Post by glio on Apr 15, 2017 6:03:27 GMT -5
Wikipedia is not a reliable source in this kind of situations. Anyone could have made that up. well exactly, and ive not seen any proper confirmation about this either
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 6:52:18 GMT -5
I hope so.
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Post by matt on Apr 15, 2017 8:28:32 GMT -5
No point in treading down old paths is there? If so, Noel proves why he's no Paul Weller who has changed his band around to suit different styles. Noel's cowardliness towards progression surely isn't so restrictive that he chooses former band members to front his own band?
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Post by dadrocker on Apr 15, 2017 8:37:54 GMT -5
No point in treading down old paths is there? If so, Noel proves why he's no Paul Weller who has changed his band around to suit different styles. Noel's cowardliness towards progression surely isn't so restrictive that he chooses former band members to front his own band? As long as he doesn't let him write songs who gives a fuck? It's probably not true anyway, but if it were he probably just wants to have his buddy (mate) back out on tour with him. I don't see the problem with that. Wanting Noel to be someone different after 20+ years is beyond annoying at this point. Go listen to Paul Weller then and save us the moaning.
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Post by matt on Apr 15, 2017 8:56:38 GMT -5
No point in treading down old paths is there? If so, Noel proves why he's no Paul Weller who has changed his band around to suit different styles. Noel's cowardliness towards progression surely isn't so restrictive that he chooses former band members to front his own band? As long as he doesn't let him write songs who gives a fuck? It's probably not true anyway, but if it were he probably just wants to have his buddy (mate) back out on tour with him. I don't see the problem with that. Wanting Noel to be someone different after 20+ years is beyond annoying at this point. Go listen to Paul Weller then and save us the moaning. Blimey, you shat in your bed this morning? All I can say is that changing your live lineup differentiates the sound as Weller does, and Noel should be looking towards that. This is a forum for such discussion, so get a grip.
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Post by freddy838 on Apr 15, 2017 10:58:38 GMT -5
Me too. He just seems to have much better feel for Noel's songs than whatshisname.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Apr 15, 2017 11:46:22 GMT -5
Me too. Â He just seems to have much better feel for Noel's songs than whatshisname. Fortunately Gem and Tim aren't the only two guitarists on this planet
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Post by andymorris on Apr 16, 2017 4:39:07 GMT -5
Gem probably edited it himself hehe
Only Andy or Guigsy missing and it's Oasis MK 3
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 10:34:29 GMT -5
He's only played with HFB on one song (HTWA for the Caroline Ahern tribute) and with Noel on a couple of semi-acoustic shows, which I don't think Noel bills as HFB.
I don't know if the head injury is still a factor in Gem's life. When he came back with Beady Eye I noticed that Andy took on a lot of the lead work Gem had been doing. He might not be 100% back to normality.
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Post by andymorris on Apr 16, 2017 13:22:24 GMT -5
It says from 2017 onward though
Gem was always very close to Noel so it's only natural he's joining HFB. I believe it's true.
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Post by mahsteve on Apr 16, 2017 14:35:03 GMT -5
My humble opinion for the debate!
I'd love to see Gem back playing live and making music etc. Always thought he was the right man at the right time when he joined oasis and he never let the band down.
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Post by spaneli on Apr 16, 2017 16:02:41 GMT -5
As long as he doesn't let him write songs who gives a fuck? It's probably not true anyway, but if it were he probably just wants to have his buddy (mate) back out on tour with him. I don't see the problem with that. Wanting Noel to be someone different after 20+ years is beyond annoying at this point. Go listen to Paul Weller then and save us the moaning. Blimey, you shat in your bed this morning? All I can say is that changing your live lineup differentiates the sound as Weller does, and Noel should be looking towards that. This is a forum for such discussion, so get a grip. I think both of you are overreacting. Noel choosing Gem has nothing to do with Noel's musical ambition. Actually, him choosing Gem, a better guitarist than Tim Smith, actually says more good about what Noel wants in his band than not.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Apr 16, 2017 16:15:22 GMT -5
Like I said before, there are actually PLENTY of competent guitarists in the world. I mean, I like Gem and I wouldn't mind him (although I actually hate the way he plays the solo on DLBIA), but there are enough other choices. It's not a case of "oh it's either Tim or Gem."
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Post by tomlivesforever on Apr 18, 2017 17:56:11 GMT -5
Yeah plenty of guitarists about but I always thought Gem complemented Noel well in a live setting.
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Post by andymorris on Apr 19, 2017 1:49:25 GMT -5
I agree, Gem is a perfect match for Noel. He's got his own style and perfectly made Noel's solos his own.
It will be a good addition to NGHFB, Tim Smith was too generic, too touring musician.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 12:21:09 GMT -5
I agree, Gem is a perfect match for Noel. He's got his own style and perfectly made Noel's solos his own. It will be a good addition to NGHFB, Tim Smith was too generic, too touring musician. tbf to Tim, when he posted on here he said he's basically a rhythm guitarist who plays the lead stuff exactly as Noel asks him to. Seems like he gets/got very little artistic licence. I imagine Noel lets Gem do his thing a bit more.
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Post by jaq515 on Apr 19, 2017 13:48:29 GMT -5
I agree, Gem is a perfect match for Noel. He's got his own style and perfectly made Noel's solos his own. It will be a good addition to NGHFB, Tim Smith was too generic, too touring musician. tbf to Tim, when he posted on here he said he's basically a rhythm guitarist who plays the lead stuff exactly as Noel asks him to. Seems like he gets/got very little artistic licence. I imagine Noel lets Gem do his thing a bit more. Exactly Tim's a paid hand and if that hand wasn't doing exactly what Noel wanted Noel would be paying someone else to do it. Gem was a bandmate and very close friend, so guess noel lets him choose to play what he thinks is best
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Post by The Chief on Apr 19, 2017 16:01:19 GMT -5
tbf to Tim, when he posted on here he said he's basically a rhythm guitarist who plays the lead stuff exactly as Noel asks him to. Seems like he gets/got very little artistic licence. I imagine Noel lets Gem do his thing a bit more. That's what ALL of Noel's band members do except for Mike Rowe. When NGHFB came out people were saying Jeremy Stacey's drumming was shit. But when you listen to other stuff he's worked on, you understand that he's playing just like Noel asked him to. Noel's drumming is very basic and rudimentary which seems to be what he asks of Jeremy. Same with Russell. Now IF Gem was to join he'd probably get more lalitude in his playing because Noel thinks Gem is a way better guitarist than him (rightfully so). So he leaves him alone.
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Post by ninestonecowboy on Apr 19, 2017 17:03:34 GMT -5
Could be true. Maybe he wanted a change of personnel for the next album cycle. Maybe Tim himself might have wanted to stay in USA and do his thing there instead of touring the world, everyone has their own responsibilities. At the end of the day he's just a session player and they come and go, it's just the nature of the business. Anyway, i think Tim is a good guitarist, you don't become a session player unless you can really play but i definitely think Gem is more suited to what Noel does.
I guess we'll find out whenever Noel plays live again.
That said, it's Wikipedia. I once put on there that i had a hand in invented the wheel and it stayed like that for a day or two.
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Post by Derrick on Apr 20, 2017 1:21:25 GMT -5
The problem with Noel is that he always wants to keep everything under control, telling his touring musicians exactly what to play; his idea is that he looks for the best way (according to his personal tastes) to perform a song & then never changes it, that goes for the setlists as well.
The problem is he's not an expert in every instrument so after he hires great musicians he'd be better advised to let them handle their part; they'd also feel more excited to have more autonomy in their musical input & that would reflect in their playing, when they're mere executants they tend to play on autopilot, hence the feeling of boredom you get upon listening to an HFB gig.
Plus Noel doesn't even rearrange the arrangements drastically for each tour, so if he doesn't let his musicians room for creativity you get the same fossilized set over the years.
Bandleaders who give more artistic freedom to their musicians have a much more interesting carreer in the long run than those who rely only on themselves (see Miles Davis for instance, who gathered talented players & listened to what ideas they came up with to reinvent his style).
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Post by globe on Apr 20, 2017 7:00:54 GMT -5
Gem seems like a really sound guy and a very good guitarist, but I get what Matt is saying.
It would be good to see Noel (and Liam) hang around with more musicians who don't have any connections to Oasis - maybe he'd pick up some fresh ideas, be inspired by something new/different or just look at the world is a slightly new manner you know? Last time I saw him playing was when he did the tribute for Caroline O'Hearn and he had Gem, Sharrock and Mike Rowe on the keys, FFS that's 75% of Oasis.
Saying that, I really hope Bonehead is involved on Liam's stuff!
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Post by The Chief on Apr 20, 2017 7:07:01 GMT -5
The problem with Noel is that he always wants to keep everything under control, telling his touring musicians exactly what to play; his idea is that he looks for the best way (according to his personal tastes) to perform a song & then never changes it, that goes for the setlists as well. The problem is he's not an expert in every instrument so after he hires great musicians he'd be better advised to let them handle their part; they'd also feel more excited to have more autonomy in their musical input & that would reflect in their playing, when they're mere executants they tend to play on autopilot, hence the feeling of boredom you get upon listening to an HFB gig. Plus Noel doesn't even rearrange the arrangements drastically for each tour, so if he doesn't let his musicians room for creativity you get the same fossilized set over the years. Bandleaders who give more artistic freedom to their musicians have a much more interesting carreer in the long run than those who rely only on themselves (see Miles Davis for instance, who gathered talented players & listened to what ideas they came up with to reinvent his style). To be fair though, he sometimes rearranges some songs. Champagne Supernova is a great example (although the solo on the acoustic version is ludicrous), Wonderwall (based on the Ryan Adams version), Don't Look Back in Anger or Supersonic acoustic. Nothing major mind you but still.
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Post by Derrick on Apr 20, 2017 12:56:53 GMT -5
To be fair though, he sometimes rearranges some songs. Champagne Supernova is a great example (although the solo on the acoustic version is ludicrous), Wonderwall (based on the Ryan Adams version), Don't Look Back in Anger or Supersonic acoustic. Nothing major mind you but still. Granted, he sometimes does, which is a nice surprise, but I think he did "Supersonic" & "Champagne supernova" acoustically because he wanted to play them but his voice wouldn't suit the electric versions which need Liam's. I reckon if he keeps these two songs in his setlists in the future he'll play them the same way. & on the other hand he always plays songs like "Everybody's on the run", "Little by little", "(It's good) To be free" & other staples in his setlist the same way over the years. To be fair, when he was still in Oasis, it was the same for most songs, even those sung by Liam, though Noel adorned "Supersonic" & "Roll with it" for instance with a few new licks on the DOYS tour. But it's a shame he dictates all his musicians how to play their part, must be frustrating for them.
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