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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 19, 2017 15:41:04 GMT -5
I really like Boy With The Blues. Wish it ended DOYS.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Apr 19, 2017 15:44:03 GMT -5
Boy With The Blues was better than most of what Noel written in the last 5 years of Oasis. If that was a man who cared about his band putting out their absolute best for his fans then he would have made sure it was structured right and on the album. Like he should have made sure Record Machine etc were recorded. The excuses were piss poor. As for standing on the edge of the noize, thats irrelevant to how good or band that song is, im talking about what should have made it onto an Oasis record. Honestly, Boy with the Blues should have been held back. It wasn't ready to be released. It's just an okay, incomplete song imo. How you think that it's better than what Noel's done in the past 5 years? I mean, alright. That's your opinion. My problem with the argument that Noel was gearing up for a solo career has always been: if he was holding back songs, then why did he put Falling Down (often considered a revival of his songwriting) on DOYS? Wouldn't it make sense to keep it off? And once again, if the issue is that he didn't include Boy with the Blues, he included I'm Outta Time, which he consistently said in interviews, was the best song on DOYS. Man, that Noel. That's the problem with these theories. They fall apart. Why can't people accept that Noel was actually pissed off? Why does there have to be some hidden alternative motive? This originally began with whether it was valid for LAG to think that Noel held them back. I don't know where you've taken it. But DGSS wasn't marketable better than any Oasis album. So the subtraction of Noel, in the end, didn't lead to Beady Eye doing something great...or even good. And whether Noel included this track or that track is actually irrelevant. Noel was holding himself back, but that's different from him holding LAG back, or stifling their songwriting/creativity, especially when two great songs from Liam were included. Personally, what I have always believed is that STC, RM, and Come on Outside, were never going to be on DOYS, whether Liam laid down vocals or not. It's really the only thing that makes sense. They had been around forever, but none of them actually fit the sound of DOYS. We've got about 2-3 versions of STC and RM, and none of them sound like DOYS. I have always highly doubted that they were anything more than demoed tracks that got eliminated later. What I believe happened is that they were demoed early, but were set aside for songs that fit the sound of DOYS. When Liam left, Noel became pissed and concocted the story about leaving songs off to make Liam look bad, but they were songs that he never had any intentions of including on DOYS. I think that's a far more likelier explanation, than Noel holding songs back for a solo career or trying to get songs on, but not being able to do so because Liam didn't show. It's far more convenient for Noel to blame Liam than to admit that he made the wrong tracklisting decisions imo. Like Get off Your High Horse Lady flows perfectly into Falling Down. That required some forethought. And yea, they could have gone out and recorded it quickly, but I don't believe they did. It's honestly too seamless of a transition to be by random chance. Anyways, in the end, If LAG were truly being held back by Noel, then one would have expected their next album to be better than DOYS. But even with Noel's poor tracklisting choices, DOYS might be better (and at least as good), as DGSS. So the idea that Noel was holding any of them back is muted by the product that Beady Eye put out, which was mostly uneven, as it was with Oasis. I think Come On Outside and RM just never suited DOYS sound and mood.The story about Liam not turning up for recording could be true, but eventually the song would probably never ended up on the album anyways. It's not like he couldn't do it next week or something, this is Oasis, not some local band that only can afford one week in the studio so they have to record all the vocals in one day. That story is the true classic of Noel's storytelling - it's not a lie, but not a complete truth either.
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Post by themightyeye on Apr 19, 2017 15:51:43 GMT -5
In a bubble with a bullet should have been on the Album...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 15:58:15 GMT -5
Another day, another spameli wall of text
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Post by themightyeye on Apr 19, 2017 16:04:45 GMT -5
Seems like he's going for tunes he can sing that don't involve much vocal cord strain....The ones he can almost talk and sing..
Unlike a "sister lover" which requires a long high vocal chorus...
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Apr 19, 2017 16:41:16 GMT -5
Boy With The Blues was better than most of what Noel written in the last 5 years of Oasis. If that was a man who cared about his band putting out their absolute best for his fans then he would have made sure it was structured right and on the album. Like he should have made sure Record Machine etc were recorded. The excuses were piss poor. As for standing on the edge of the noize, thats irrelevant to how good or band that song is, im talking about what should have made it onto an Oasis record. Honestly, Boy with the Blues should have been held back. It wasn't ready to be released. It's just an okay, incomplete song imo. How you think that it's better than what Noel's done in the past 5 years? I mean, alright. That's your opinion. My problem with the argument that Noel was gearing up for a solo career has always been: if he was holding back songs, then why did he put Falling Down (often considered a revival of his songwriting) on DOYS? Wouldn't it make sense to keep it off? And once again, if the issue is that he didn't include Boy with the Blues, he included I'm Outta Time, which he consistently said in interviews, was the best song on DOYS. Man, that Noel. That's the problem with these theories. They fall apart. Why can't people accept that Noel was actually pissed off? Why does there have to be some hidden alternative motive? This originally began with whether it was valid for LAG to think that Noel held them back. I don't know where you've taken it. But DGSS wasn't marketable better than any Oasis album. So the subtraction of Noel, in the end, didn't lead to Beady Eye doing something great...or even good. And whether Noel included this track or that track is actually irrelevant. Noel was holding himself back, but that's different from him holding LAG back, or stifling their songwriting/creativity, especially when two great songs from Liam were included. Personally, what I have always believed is that STC, RM, and Come on Outside, were never going to be on DOYS, whether Liam laid down vocals or not. It's really the only thing that makes sense. They had been around forever, but none of them actually fit the sound of DOYS. We've got about 2-3 versions of STC and RM, and none of them sound like DOYS. I have always highly doubted that they were anything more than demoed tracks that got eliminated later. What I believe happened is that they were demoed early, but were set aside for songs that fit the sound of DOYS. When Liam left, Noel became pissed and concocted the story about leaving songs off to make Liam look bad, but they were songs that he never had any intentions of including on DOYS. I think that's a far more likelier explanation, than Noel holding songs back for a solo career or trying to get songs on, but not being able to do so because Liam didn't show. It's far more convenient for Noel to blame Liam than to admit that he made the wrong tracklisting decisions imo. Like Get off Your High Horse Lady flows perfectly into Falling Down. That required some forethought. And yea, they could have gone out and recorded it quickly, but I don't believe they did. It's honestly too seamless of a transition to be by random chance. Anyways, in the end, If LAG were truly being held back by Noel, then one would have expected their next album to be better than DOYS. But even with Noel's poor tracklisting choices, DOYS might be better (and at least as good), as DGSS. So the idea that Noel was holding any of them back is muted by the product that Beady Eye put out, which was mostly uneven, as it was with Oasis. Why do the theories fall apart? Just because he didnt want to put all of his best efforts into DOYS, doesnt mean hes going to leave off every single one and put out an album that just gets panned. What we deserve as fans its the absolute best effort. We did not get that. While i agree DGSS isnt as good as DOYS, i think they definitely had better songs than their efforts on DOYS, barring Im Outta Time (which i too think is the best song on that album). If you believe Noel left because of the bust up in Paris then thats fine. I just think its pretty obvious he didnt, and what we got from DOYS was a half finished album that we deserved more from.
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Post by My Big Name on Apr 19, 2017 16:41:16 GMT -5
Seems like he's going for tunes he can sing that don't involve much vocal cord strain....The ones he can almost talk and sing.. Unlike a "sister lover" which requires a long high vocal chorus... DYKWIM involves a lot of vocal strain, especially the bridge.
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Post by Velo on Apr 19, 2017 16:55:16 GMT -5
He's almost certainly playing Columbia.
That's probably the easiest 'classic' for him to sing.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Apr 19, 2017 16:55:33 GMT -5
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Post by Rolo on Apr 19, 2017 17:27:32 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 17:32:33 GMT -5
This forum's getting too meta.
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Post by themightyeye on Apr 19, 2017 18:33:05 GMT -5
He's almost certainly playing Columbia. That's probably the easiest 'classic' for him to sing. It's quite possible
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Apr 19, 2017 19:12:25 GMT -5
That's exactly what it means. Just check any thread where anyone even starts to say anything against Noel. Quite astonishing how the same members swarm towards it with, what they think is, witty comments and comments that hide their sheer hatred for Liam.
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Post by themightyeye on Apr 19, 2017 22:41:03 GMT -5
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Post by shades on Apr 19, 2017 23:30:19 GMT -5
sounds like he's just gonna play "Be Here Now" in full at these festival shows, Magic Pie will be interesting 😆
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Post by space75gr on Apr 20, 2017 4:17:48 GMT -5
today, i desperately need a post by bastardnumber1 !!! if...
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Post by Gas Panic on Apr 20, 2017 4:24:54 GMT -5
43 days until Liams first confirmed festival gig!
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Post by Rolo on Apr 20, 2017 7:55:27 GMT -5
The attitude of a few members that post in this section is really getting on my nerves now. They post in a way that sounds like they are above anyone who disagrees with their opinion and their opinion is the only one.
I mean what an arrogant thing to say "don't even bother". Believe it or not, some people don't agree with everything Noel has done, just like I'm sure a lot of people don't agree with Liam's behaviour at times.
I don't get why some post in this section, whenever I look in the Noel section you dont find the same petty posts like you do here on the whole.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 7:58:16 GMT -5
Any chance we can lock this thread until an actual release date is announced?
The vast majority of the last 25 pages has been utter nonsense.
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Post by mimmihopps on Apr 20, 2017 8:10:36 GMT -5
Any chance we can lock this thread until an actual release date is announced? The vast majority of the last 25 pages has been utter nonsense. Someone suggested to lock this thread a while ago, but we have let it stay open because even if this thread gets locked, there will be a new one and the same "debate" will go on. We locked 2 of Liam related thread a couple of weeks ago and now there are this thread, "Liam's twitter" thread, First single thread and Liam's offcial website thread. I really haven't followed this thread past days to be honest, but it's time to close this thread until we get an official announcement. and I'm not waiting for pm's like "please unlock this thread" like I received a few months ago. Rolo, I'm sorry for locking Liam's thread again.
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