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Post by freddy838 on Feb 2, 2017 10:34:39 GMT -5
Whether Good, Bad, or Average (I'd shift quite a lot of those songs around btw) there's not a huge amount of variety. That's the thing that worries me at this stage but I'm fully aware it's daft to judge anything before we hear or even know anything. Ian Brown is the best template for Liam, I'm not sure how his songwriting works but he always has some interesting stuff.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 2, 2017 10:45:01 GMT -5
Whether Good, Bad, or Average (I'd shift quite a lot of those songs around btw) there's not a huge amount of variety. That's the thing that worries me at this stage but I'm fully aware it's daft to judge anything before we hear or even know anything. Ian Brown is the best template for Liam, I'm not sure how his songwriting works but he always has some interesting stuff. My point is it's a mixed bag. Move songs to whatever column you want, the results are the same. Also keep in mind it took 18+ years for Liam to get all that material. Some of it good, some of it bad and some of it just ok. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 10:50:25 GMT -5
solo album crossing day 164:
we took a turn into February yesterday, the cold darkness of no news is still apparent and despair is becoming rampant amongst the camp, patience and resauces are running low and the person that was sent out to scout has not returned. Another member of the camp discovered a crate of song titles but they seem to be written in some long forgotten language and my only interpreter logged out months ago.
all I can do right now is wait, but what am I waiting for? news? hope? cancellation? at the moment the camp is remembering old times, sometimes bringing hope, sometime bringing home a reality that DGSS is still alive and is waiting for us in the darkness, I swear I heard the piano to bring the light on the wind last night....
we can only wait for tomorrow.
UG.
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Post by Jgrp on Feb 2, 2017 11:05:19 GMT -5
Right now a four letter word really gets my meaning
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Post by guigsysEstring on Feb 2, 2017 11:20:27 GMT -5
Right now a four letter word really gets my meaning Love? Hope? Soon?....oh the other one  |
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Post by matt on Feb 2, 2017 11:35:03 GMT -5
Why are people hoping for a co-songwriter ? Liam is not Robbie Williams, he doesn't need Guy Chambers or whatever. He's written some good tunes in the past and if, for once, he really worked his ass off, then he's capable of releasing a solid 10 track record. I don't want him to become the Elvis Presley of the 21st century. Fuck that. Write your tunes solo or get a proper band. Solo artists + professional songwriters are evil. Opening the door to other songwriters is losing the heart and soul of music, then it become a product. What was good in Oasis is that Noel was able to give Liam some tune he could mean. That couldn't happen with any other songwriter bar Liam writing for Liam. Liam doesn't need another songwriter, he needs the the right producer to develop the songs and get them to the next level, it's all good. the melodies are usually good, they just need a bit more work. Gem and Andy probably never told him that, but maybe this time someone did. during the BE cycle, his songs, he's had 7 of them and they were the best. Liam's purpose is not a songwriter - that is pretty much obvious to see. There's no shame in needing a co-writer - only the very best can sustain a career from being being a sole songwriter, and Liam, whether you like it or not, is not one of the best. Getting professional expertise on arrangements and maybe melodic ideas to flesh out a song is hardly tantamount to sucking the soul out of songs that sound as if they're hardly finished in the first place. And besides, Liam's finest moments came from singing someone else's songs, and that hardly sounded contrived. And as for 'not wanting to be like Elvis'? Arguably the greatest pop figure of all time is not something to be sneered at, and like Liam, people loved him for his voice and persona. Liam and Elvis's jobs are the same, they are performers where their unique voices and personalities are laid on to great songs, lifting them to even greater levels. Liam is not, and never will be, some kind of creative songwriting guru, and him and his fans facing up to that fact would help his career. That doesn't mean he has to be a mindless puppet in the studio, because he can put his stamp on every song he records. His strength is to transform songs into something never heard before - again, like Elvis. I'd rather listen to his cover of Sons of the Stage than the World of Twist original version, I'd rather listen to his Cum On Feel The Noize version than the original Slade's. But I'd also rather listen to these great covers than the largely mediocre songs he wrote with Beady Eye. We've got a great voice at its disposal, but we also need great songs. I'm not asking for a covers album, but excellent original material that provides a great vehicle for his unique voice is what I want. I couldn't care less who wrote the songs. If Liam is the sole creative force behind it and we get more of the same undercooked tunes, then the album is going to bomb. Then we'll all be wishing he was like Elvis. |
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Post by wylliejack on Feb 2, 2017 11:44:54 GMT -5
Well said matt, I do think liam needs more of a push out of his comfort zone with producing the album rather than the lyrical/melodical end and something great can come from it.
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Post by shades on Feb 2, 2017 11:45:55 GMT -5
The album will be quality ✌🏻
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 12:23:34 GMT -5
I think it all depends on the people who peform on the record. A lot of Beady Eye songs would have been much better if Noel was in the studio.
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Post by andymorris on Feb 2, 2017 12:33:29 GMT -5
Why are people hoping for a co-songwriter ? Liam is not Robbie Williams, he doesn't need Guy Chambers or whatever. He's written some good tunes in the past and if, for once, he really worked his ass off, then he's capable of releasing a solid 10 track record. I don't want him to become the Elvis Presley of the 21st century. Fuck that. Write your tunes solo or get a proper band. Solo artists + professional songwriters are evil. Opening the door to other songwriters is losing the heart and soul of music, then it become a product. What was good in Oasis is that Noel was able to give Liam some tune he could mean. That couldn't happen with any other songwriter bar Liam writing for Liam. Liam doesn't need another songwriter, he needs the the right producer to develop the songs and get them to the next level, it's all good. the melodies are usually good, they just need a bit more work. Gem and Andy probably never told him that, but maybe this time someone did. during the BE cycle, his songs, he's had 7 of them and they were the best. Liam's purpose is not a songwriter - that is pretty much obvious to see. There's no shame in needing a co-writer - only the very best can sustain a career from being being a sole songwriter, and Liam, whether you like it or not, is not one of the best. Getting professional expertise on arrangements and maybe melodic ideas to flesh out a song is hardly tantamount to sucking the soul out of songs that sound as if they're hardly finished in the first place. And besides, Liam's finest moments came from singing someone else's songs, and that hardly sounded contrived. And as for 'not wanting to be like Elvis'? Arguably the greatest pop figure of all time is hardly something to be sneered at, and like Liam, people loved him for his voice and persona. Liam and Elvis's jobs are the same, they are performers where their unique voices and personalities are laid on to great songs, lifting them to even greater levels. Liam is not, and never will be, some kind of creative songwriting guru, and him and his fans facing up to that fact would help his career. That doesn't mean he has to be a mindless puppet in the studio, because he can put his stamp on every song he records. His strength is to transform songs into something never heard before - again, like Elvis. I'd rather listen to his cover of Sons of the Stage than the World of Twist original version, I'd rather listen to his Cum On Feel The Noize version than the original Slade's. But I'd also rather listen to these great covers than the largely mediocr songs he wrote with Beady Eye. We've got a great voice at its disposal, but we also need great songs. I'm not asking for a covers album, but excellent original material that provides a great vehicle for his unique voice is what I want. I couldn't care less who wrote the songs. If Liam is the sole creative force behind it and we get more of the same undercooked tunes, then the album is going to bomb. Then we'll all be wishing he was like Elvis. I get your point, but that last line, absolutely not. I dont want Liam = Elvis, look how that ended up, like a parody in Las Vegas. Elvis was miserable for years because he couldn't do anything else. And i disagree, Liam and Elvis are different. Liam picked up songwriting early on in his career, even before Noel joined Oasis. SO, that is something he wants to succeed with. It's not just a detail. Liam wants to be a songwriter. He has wanted that for 25 years. So Liam would only further tarnish his reputation by being helped by a pro songwriter paid by a record label. The press is also gonna go after him if he did that and print that he cant write a song, that he cant succeed without the songs by Noel. A solo career by a former voice of a generation is a big deal. He needs to establish himself as a writer. Performer... that's already a given. |
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Post by shades on Feb 2, 2017 12:40:27 GMT -5
That bold track could be a classic if it's laid down well in the studio, love the version in the pub although the sound is bad, keep the faith people ✌🏻
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Post by matt on Feb 2, 2017 12:44:36 GMT -5
Liam's purpose is not a songwriter - that is pretty much obvious to see. There's no shame in needing a co-writer - only the very best can sustain a career from being being a sole songwriter, and Liam, whether you like it or not, is not one of the best. Getting professional expertise on arrangements and maybe melodic ideas to flesh out a song is hardly tantamount to sucking the soul out of songs that sound as if they're hardly finished in the first place. And besides, Liam's finest moments came from singing someone else's songs, and that hardly sounded contrived. And as for 'not wanting to be like Elvis'? Arguably the greatest pop figure of all time is hardly something to be sneered at, and like Liam, people loved him for his voice and persona. Liam and Elvis's jobs are the same, they are performers where their unique voices and personalities are laid on to great songs, lifting them to even greater levels. Liam is not, and never will be, some kind of creative songwriting guru, and him and his fans facing up to that fact would help his career. That doesn't mean he has to be a mindless puppet in the studio, because he can put his stamp on every song he records. His strength is to transform songs into something never heard before - again, like Elvis. I'd rather listen to his cover of Sons of the Stage than the World of Twist original version, I'd rather listen to his Cum On Feel The Noize version than the original Slade's. But I'd also rather listen to these great covers than the largely mediocr songs he wrote with Beady Eye. We've got a great voice at its disposal, but we also need great songs. I'm not asking for a covers album, but excellent original material that provides a great vehicle for his unique voice is what I want. I couldn't care less who wrote the songs. If Liam is the sole creative force behind it and we get more of the same undercooked tunes, then the album is going to bomb. Then we'll all be wishing he was like Elvis. I get your point, but that last line, absolutely not. I dont want Liam = Elvis, look how that ended up, like a parody in Las Vegas. Elvis was miserable for years because he couldn't do anything else. And i disagree, Liam and Elvis are different. Liam picked up songwriting early on in his career, even before Noel joined Oasis. SO, that is something he wants to succeed with. It's not just a detail. Liam wants to be a songwriter. He has wanted that for 25 years. So Liam would only further tarnish his reputation by being helped by a pro songwriter paid by a record label. The press is also gonna go after him if he did that and print that he cant write a song, that he cant succeed without the songs by Noel. A solo career by a former voice of a generation is a big deal. He needs to establish himself as a writer. Performer... that's already a given. Are the press really out to 'get Liam'? That's just siege mentality - they will judge purely on the music if it is good or not, like they did with Beady Eye. It's hardly as if anyone outside of Liam's fan base think he's a good songwriter anyway, so he's not got anything to lose. And with the idea that he needs to establish himself as a songwriter, well he's had the best part of 18 years and there's nothing to suggest he's developing or going beyond his Lennon obsessions. He still hasn't bettered Songbird and that was 16 years ago. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 2, 2017 13:02:17 GMT -5
Liam's purpose is not a songwriter - that is pretty much obvious to see. There's no shame in needing a co-writer - only the very best can sustain a career from being being a sole songwriter, and Liam, whether you like it or not, is not one of the best. Getting professional expertise on arrangements and maybe melodic ideas to flesh out a song is hardly tantamount to sucking the soul out of songs that sound as if they're hardly finished in the first place. And besides, Liam's finest moments came from singing someone else's songs, and that hardly sounded contrived. And as for 'not wanting to be like Elvis'? Arguably the greatest pop figure of all time is hardly something to be sneered at, and like Liam, people loved him for his voice and persona. Liam and Elvis's jobs are the same, they are performers where their unique voices and personalities are laid on to great songs, lifting them to even greater levels. Liam is not, and never will be, some kind of creative songwriting guru, and him and his fans facing up to that fact would help his career. That doesn't mean he has to be a mindless puppet in the studio, because he can put his stamp on every song he records. His strength is to transform songs into something never heard before - again, like Elvis. I'd rather listen to his cover of Sons of the Stage than the World of Twist original version, I'd rather listen to his Cum On Feel The Noize version than the original Slade's. But I'd also rather listen to these great covers than the largely mediocr songs he wrote with Beady Eye. We've got a great voice at its disposal, but we also need great songs. I'm not asking for a covers album, but excellent original material that provides a great vehicle for his unique voice is what I want. I couldn't care less who wrote the songs. If Liam is the sole creative force behind it and we get more of the same undercooked tunes, then the album is going to bomb. Then we'll all be wishing he was like Elvis. I get your point, but that last line, absolutely not. I dont want Liam = Elvis, look how that ended up, like a parody in Las Vegas. Elvis was miserable for years because he couldn't do anything else. And i disagree, Liam and Elvis are different. Liam picked up songwriting early on in his career, even before Noel joined Oasis. SO, that is something he wants to succeed with. It's not just a detail. Liam wants to be a songwriter. He has wanted that for 25 years. So Liam would only further tarnish his reputation by being helped by a pro songwriter paid by a record label. The press is also gonna go after him if he did that and print that he cant write a song, that he cant succeed without the songs by Noel. A solo career by a former voice of a generation is a big deal. He needs to establish himself as a writer. Performer... that's already a given. That's not fair to Elvis. He didn't become like that because he sung other people's material. Plenty of others lasted generations like that.....Sinatra, Martin, Crosby, Darin, etc. It ended poorly for Elvis because of his management and the people around him. They shut him in and exploited him. Colonel Tom Parker is mostly to blame. He constantly held Elvis back by keeping him as safe as possible so the money kept rolling in. Parker got 50% of everything he did. So Parker always got Elvis paid top dollar and thus on albums and his movies were made cheaply as the years went by. That's why so many of his films didn't age well and his early to mid 60s material was lackluster. |
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Post by Jgrp on Feb 2, 2017 14:48:32 GMT -5
Where's bastard
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 2, 2017 15:13:27 GMT -5
The public thinks of Liam as someone who sings. Someone who used to sing on songs his brother wrote. I doubt anyone outside of here thinks of him as a songwriter, I doubt anyone gets wound up about him using a co-writer and I doubt people will like him more all of a sudden just because he writes his own songs.
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Post by godgimmesoul on Feb 2, 2017 15:33:12 GMT -5
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Post by Jgrp on Feb 2, 2017 15:34:50 GMT -5
The public thinks of Liam as someone who sings. Someone who used to sing on songs his brother wrote. I doubt anyone outside of here thinks of him as a songwriter, I doubt anyone gets wind up about him using a co-writer and I doubt people will like him more all of a sudden just because he writes his own songs. Agreed. Couldn't give a shit whether there's co writers or not, just as long as they're a good influence to it all not some plodding shit. Just want a decent album n a decent solo career |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 15:46:37 GMT -5
Is there anyone who actually still believes this rehearsal myth?? the longer the ice is out of the freezer the more likely it is no longer ice. |
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Post by ManofMisery on Feb 2, 2017 16:22:52 GMT -5
Is there anyone who actually still believes this rehearsal myth?? Never did |
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Feb 2, 2017 16:32:13 GMT -5
Is there anyone who actually still believes this rehearsal myth?? the longer the ice is out of the freezer the more likely it is no longer ice. im begining to think it might be bullshit the guy has been awfully quiet since posting about this which was iirc about a week ago |
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Post by Greedy's Mighty Sigh on Feb 2, 2017 16:34:02 GMT -5
Is there anyone who actually still believes this rehearsal myth?? No. Somebody gets to watch Liam rehearse and spends the whole experience on Live4ever? Hes bent everyone over and had a right old go. Fair play to him. The best is yet to come when he returns to say 'told ya' when theres a quick song on the album |
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Post by Rolo on Feb 2, 2017 16:50:20 GMT -5
I still believe him. I'm sure he has his reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 16:56:05 GMT -5
the longer the ice is out of the freezer the more likely it is no longer ice. im begining to think it might be bullshit the guy has been awfully quiet since posting about this which was iirc about a week ago I guess if hes bullshitting then the only thing hes got to play is the doubt card because hes got nothing to show which means staying quiet is the best solution, he cant post anymore without someone saying "well I need some proof before I believe anymore" I just think back to him saying about showing those videos of Liam singing over the beatles songs then he just sort of didnt and brushed it under the carpet when really that was his own interview with Liam so there shouldnt be anything stopping him showing stuff from it bar comments about the upcoming album. not to mention that he said about live streaming the rehearsal, couldnt get it working then went on to say that the footage would need checking before he could do anything with it....how can you check a livestream if that was ok to go ahead with? if hes legit I cant believe he cant post one single piece of evidence over the whole thing. |
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Feb 2, 2017 16:57:51 GMT -5
Logically speaking if it's true he can't tell us anything else until he'll be allowed to do so as he said in his post so either way we won't get anything new from him until the official announcement.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 2, 2017 17:00:55 GMT -5
If I were him I'd stay quiet too, after the shit some of you spouted.
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