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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 5:24:01 GMT -5
Personally, i think what Noel has done since 2000 onwards (slowly craft a media image that clearly distinguishes him as the elderly, wise, witty, "talented" gallagher) and literally dropped Liam as soon as he was confident enough to make himself a frontman will always be worse than anything Liam has done/said. Bingo. Noel is a manipulator and he played the 2000s perfectly. Liam doesn't have that ability, and tbh even if he did there's no indication he ever would. Liam says and does stupid things. Some of them are completely unacceptable and you can't blame Noel for tiring of it. Noel undoubtedly had his plan to cast Liam and Oasis aside and should've had the guts to stand up and admit that he wanted to go solo.
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Post by Jgrp on Jan 20, 2017 12:15:22 GMT -5
Buzzing to see him live again.
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Post by Derrick on Jan 20, 2017 13:49:04 GMT -5
That article also reads: "Now it seems they have grown too far apart to stomach even working together. In February 2008, while the band were finishing Dig Out Your Soul in Los Angeles, Liam disappeared back home for the weekend, marrying long-term partner Nicole Appleton without telling his colleagues, or inviting his brother, for fear it would all end up in the tabloids. "They had a major unreported bust-up that resulted in a couple of tracks not making it on the album, because Liam hadn't done his vocals," says author and Mojo journalist Pat Gilbert, who joined the band on tour last autumn. "I rarely saw them together then. Liam was living a completely separate life to the band."I've heard that Noel & Liam had a massive argument before the start of the "Dig out your soul" tour, which had remained unresolved & caused the increasingly sour atmosphere in the band in 2008-2009. Was this massive argument about Liam eloping during the album sessions to get married without even telling Noel about it, or was it about something else?
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jan 20, 2017 14:01:55 GMT -5
That article also reads: "Now it seems they have grown too far apart to stomach even working together. In February 2008, while the band were finishing Dig Out Your Soul in Los Angeles, Liam disappeared back home for the weekend, marrying long-term partner Nicole Appleton without telling his colleagues, or inviting his brother, for fear it would all end up in the tabloids. "They had a major unreported bust-up that resulted in a couple of tracks not making it on the album, because Liam hadn't done his vocals," says author and Mojo journalist Pat Gilbert, who joined the band on tour last autumn. "I rarely saw them together then. Liam was living a completely separate life to the band."I've heard that Noel & Liam had a massive argument before the start of the "Dig out your soul" tour, which had remained unresolved & caused the increasingly sour atmosphere in the band in 2008-2009. Was this massive argument about Liam eloping during the album sessions to get married without even telling Noel about it, or was it about something else? It was indeed supposed to be over a couple of tracks not being completed as well as allegedly Noel not being invited to the wedding, according to Pat Gilbert of Mojo Magazine who also claimed Liam was living an increasingly separate life to the rest of Oasis. I don't know for certain how true that is although I would think if Liam was living a separate life from the band it seems odd that after Noel decided to leave he formed a band with the remaining members rather than going off alone as well, unless of course it was simply a gut reaction to his brother walking out during a (admittedly near the end of) tour.
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Post by freddy838 on Jan 20, 2017 14:09:35 GMT -5
I thought it was Noel that was at least travelling separately to the rest of the band.
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Post by Rolo on Jan 20, 2017 14:09:49 GMT -5
That article also reads: "Now it seems they have grown too far apart to stomach even working together. In February 2008, while the band were finishing Dig Out Your Soul in Los Angeles, Liam disappeared back home for the weekend, marrying long-term partner Nicole Appleton without telling his colleagues, or inviting his brother, for fear it would all end up in the tabloids. "They had a major unreported bust-up that resulted in a couple of tracks not making it on the album, because Liam hadn't done his vocals," says author and Mojo journalist Pat Gilbert, who joined the band on tour last autumn. "I rarely saw them together then. Liam was living a completely separate life to the band."I've heard that Noel & Liam had a massive argument before the start of the "Dig out your soul" tour, which had remained unresolved & caused the increasingly sour atmosphere in the band in 2008-2009. Was this massive argument about Liam eloping during the album sessions to get married without even telling Noel about it, or was it about something else? This whole thing still really really pisses me off, Liam was gone for all of 3 days, I'm sure there was a 5-6 month gap between them finishing the DOYS recordings and it actually getting released. You're telling me in that time Liam couldn't of done a vocal on a couple songs? Complete and utter bollocks from Noel, he obviously wanted the songs for himself, if he wanted what was best for Oasis he would of got them recorded.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 14:12:51 GMT -5
That article also reads: "Now it seems they have grown too far apart to stomach even working together. In February 2008, while the band were finishing Dig Out Your Soul in Los Angeles, Liam disappeared back home for the weekend, marrying long-term partner Nicole Appleton without telling his colleagues, or inviting his brother, for fear it would all end up in the tabloids. "They had a major unreported bust-up that resulted in a couple of tracks not making it on the album, because Liam hadn't done his vocals," says author and Mojo journalist Pat Gilbert, who joined the band on tour last autumn. "I rarely saw them together then. Liam was living a completely separate life to the band."I've heard that Noel & Liam had a massive argument before the start of the "Dig out your soul" tour, which had remained unresolved & caused the increasingly sour atmosphere in the band in 2008-2009. Was this massive argument about Liam eloping during the album sessions to get married without even telling Noel about it, or was it about something else? It was indeed supposed to be over a couple of tracks not being completed as well as allegedly Noel not being invited to the wedding, according to Pat Gilbert of Mojo Magazine who also claimed Liam was living an increasingly separate life to the rest of Oasis. I don't know for certain how true that is although I would think if Liam was living a separate life from the band it seems odd that after Noel decided to leave he formed a band with the remaining members rather than going off alone as well, unless of course it was simply a gut reaction to his brother walking out during a (admittedly near the end of) tour. I thought it was Noel living the separate life, taking separate planes to the rest of them etc? as Ive always said really, if Liam was such a nightmare to work with I doubt the rest of them wouldve stuck around to do beady eye, they wouldve gone with Noel or left the circle completely, Im not saying Noel was a problem either because Gem and chris have worked with him since beady eye split and hes met with andy (though it seems they didnt talk at all for quite some time) at the end of the day they couldve taken all the time they needed for DOYS, they couldve delayed it to get it finished. I wouldnt of cared had they released the album then announced their split on the same day, stuff the tour, it was crap anyway surprised they even went on the road together if there was such problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 14:21:43 GMT -5
tbh I think Noel's within his rights to take the songs back if Liam didn't show up to sing them. That story makes sense though. Liam seemed to grow increasingly paranoid about Noel's relationship with the press so it follows that if he wanted to keep the wedding secret he'd also keep it from Noel. By doing that he's effectively telling Noel he doesn't trust him. Horrible situation for a family to end up in.
I don't buy Liam being effectively outside the band. As has been pointed out, the rest of the band all stood by him and iirc a lot of the behind the scenes people did too.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jan 20, 2017 14:29:39 GMT -5
It was indeed supposed to be over a couple of tracks not being completed as well as allegedly Noel not being invited to the wedding, according to Pat Gilbert of Mojo Magazine who also claimed Liam was living an increasingly separate life to the rest of Oasis. I don't know for certain how true that is although I would think if Liam was living a separate life from the band it seems odd that after Noel decided to leave he formed a band with the remaining members rather than going off alone as well, unless of course it was simply a gut reaction to his brother walking out during a (admittedly near the end of) tour. I thought it was Noel living the separate life, taking separate planes to the rest of them etc? as Ive always said really, if Liam was such a nightmare to work with I doubt the rest of them wouldve stuck around to do beady eye, they wouldve gone with Noel or left the circle completely, Im not saying Noel was a problem either because Gem and chris have worked with him since beady eye split and hes met with andy (though it seems they didnt talk at all for quite some time) at the end of the day they couldve taken all the time they needed for DOYS, they couldve delayed it to get it finished. I wouldnt of cared had they released the album then announced their split on the same day, stuff the tour, it was crap anyway surprised they even went on the road together if there was such problem. This was the quote from Pat Gilbert regarding it, although I have to say I'm inclined to agree with what you have said in respect to Liam if he really was a nightmare, then why would the remaining members agree to go in the studio and tour with him again?
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 20, 2017 14:32:22 GMT -5
I thought it was Noel living the separate life, taking separate planes to the rest of them etc? as Ive always said really, if Liam was such a nightmare to work with I doubt the rest of them wouldve stuck around to do beady eye, they wouldve gone with Noel or left the circle completely, Im not saying Noel was a problem either because Gem and chris have worked with him since beady eye split and hes met with andy (though it seems they didnt talk at all for quite some time) at the end of the day they couldve taken all the time they needed for DOYS, they couldve delayed it to get it finished. I wouldnt of cared had they released the album then announced their split on the same day, stuff the tour, it was crap anyway surprised they even went on the road together if there was such problem. This was the quote from Pat Gilbert regarding it, although I have to say I'm inclined to agree with what you have said in respect to Liam if he really was a nightmare, then why would the remaining members agree to go in the studio and tour with him again? Pretty sure all the quotes from band memebers relevant to this issue since have suggested Noel was off on his own.
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Post by Jgrp on Jan 20, 2017 14:32:56 GMT -5
Noel is Hitler.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jan 20, 2017 14:37:45 GMT -5
This was the quote from Pat Gilbert regarding it, although I have to say I'm inclined to agree with what you have said in respect to Liam if he really was a nightmare, then why would the remaining members agree to go in the studio and tour with him again? Pretty sure all the quotes from band memebers relevant to this issue since have suggested Noel was off on his own. That would make sense that they did say that given they reformed within hours as Beady Eye- as to the quote I'm inclined to believe Pat Gilbert perhaps read too much into Liam going off and getting married in secret as being "living a separate life", when in fact he a) probably didn't want the media intrusion if it was public knowledge and b) If he and Noel had indeed had a huge unreported bust up it's entirely reasonable Liam might not want him at the wedding ceremony- IIRC neither brother was in attendance at each other's first weddings.
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Post by spaneli on Jan 20, 2017 14:37:49 GMT -5
Personally, i think what Noel has done since 2000 onwards (slowly craft a media image that clearly distinguishes him as the elderly, wise, witty, "talented" gallagher) and literally dropped Liam as soon as he was confident enough to make himself a frontman will always be worse than anything Liam has done/said. Bingo. Noel is a manipulator and he played the 2000s perfectly. Liam doesn't have that ability, and tbh even if he did there's no indication he ever would. Liam says and does stupid things. Some of them are completely unacceptable and you can't blame Noel for tiring of it. Noel undoubtedly had his plan to cast Liam and Oasis aside and should've had the guts to stand up and admit that he wanted to go solo. Did he not? I remember, toward the of DOYS, Noel was talking about having a hiatus so they could pursue separate projects. Liam went berserk. Noel had always kicked around the idea of going solo, or to pursue his own project, but Liam always saw it as him trying to dissolve the band. Ironically, if Liam had been more allowable to Noel doing his own thing for 5 years, then Oasis might still be together.
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Post by joladella on Jan 20, 2017 14:39:56 GMT -5
tbh I think Noel's within his rights to take the songs back if Liam didn't show up to sing them. That story makes sense though. Liam seemed to grow increasingly paranoid about Noel's relationship with the press so it follows that if he wanted to keep the wedding secret he'd also keep it from Noel. By doing that he's effectively telling Noel he doesn't trust him. Horrible situation for a family to end up in. I don't buy Liam being effectively outside the band. As has been pointed out, the rest of the band all stood by him and iirc a lot of the behind the scenes people did too. Not inviting your brother to your wedding seems to be a nice tradition in that family. From what I've read, neither brother was at the other's weddings, plural. Granted, Liam at the one of Noel and Sara from the timing would have been a bit surprising.
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Post by spaneli on Jan 20, 2017 14:49:52 GMT -5
Personally, i think what Noel has done since 2000 onwards (slowly craft a media image that clearly distinguishes him as the elderly, wise, witty, "talented" gallagher) and literally dropped Liam as soon as he was confident enough to make himself a frontman will always be worse than anything Liam has done/said.Yes, its inexcusable to say what Liam said about Anais but it all stems from how Noel has treated Liam and Liam is quite simply too emotional to keep his mouth shut when it would have been better to do so. But then again how many times has that emotion given us memorable quote after quote. If Liam sings obscure Oasis songs alongside the classics and a good album worth of material then it will be 100x more entertaining and genuinely exciting to see him live than it ever has been Noel since the split, no matter what Noel says about Liams voice. Noels quote about Liam's voice is actually Noel with his media guard down. If he quipped at celebrities with low blows like that then he would quickly fall back into the 1995 image that he was just as much of a thug as his brother. Questioning the birth legitimacy of your niece is as bad as leaving a band? Really? Essentially harassing the wife of your brother is as bad as leaving a band? A band. Leaving a band is worse than the above. You say it's inexcusable and then excuse it. I mean, what person would question the legitimacy of their niece under any circumstance? Is Liam not a grown man? Does he need to be hand held so he doesn't say dumb things or is he an invalid. Because the way people describe him, it's as if he has no autonomy over his action.
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Post by Derrick on Jan 20, 2017 14:53:37 GMT -5
That article also reads: "Now it seems they have grown too far apart to stomach even working together. In February 2008, while the band were finishing Dig Out Your Soul in Los Angeles, Liam disappeared back home for the weekend, marrying long-term partner Nicole Appleton without telling his colleagues, or inviting his brother, for fear it would all end up in the tabloids. "They had a major unreported bust-up that resulted in a couple of tracks not making it on the album, because Liam hadn't done his vocals," says author and Mojo journalist Pat Gilbert, who joined the band on tour last autumn. "I rarely saw them together then. Liam was living a completely separate life to the band."I've heard that Noel & Liam had a massive argument before the start of the "Dig out your soul" tour, which had remained unresolved & caused the increasingly sour atmosphere in the band in 2008-2009. Was this massive argument about Liam eloping during the album sessions to get married without even telling Noel about it, or was it about something else? It was indeed supposed to be over a couple of tracks not being completed as well as allegedly Noel not being invited to the wedding, according to Pat Gilbert of Mojo Magazine who also claimed Liam was living an increasingly separate life to the rest of Oasis. I don't know for certain how true that is although I would think if Liam was living a separate life from the band it seems odd that after Noel decided to leave he formed a band with the remaining members rather than going off alone as well, unless of course it was simply a gut reaction to his brother walking out during a (admittedly near the end of) tour. Thanks! From what I gather, between Noel's demands for discipline (back in 1994 in the Wibbling Rivalry interview he insisted every band member should be "professional", i.e. turn up to gigs on time & fit to play, & commit seriously to studio recording), & Liam's more devil-may-care approach regarding his & Oasis' career, combined with his suspicions that Noel was hand in glove with the tabloids, lasting acrimony was inevitable as neither of them was willing to apologise to the other. Liam could have prevented that from happening had he chosen to postpone his wedding, though.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jan 20, 2017 14:58:01 GMT -5
It was indeed supposed to be over a couple of tracks not being completed as well as allegedly Noel not being invited to the wedding, according to Pat Gilbert of Mojo Magazine who also claimed Liam was living an increasingly separate life to the rest of Oasis. I don't know for certain how true that is although I would think if Liam was living a separate life from the band it seems odd that after Noel decided to leave he formed a band with the remaining members rather than going off alone as well, unless of course it was simply a gut reaction to his brother walking out during a (admittedly near the end of) tour. Thanks! From what I gather, between Noel's demands for discipline (back in 1994 in the Wibbling Rivalry interview he insisted every band member should be "professional", i.e. turn up to gigs on time & fit to play, & commit seriously to studio recording), & Liam's more devil-may-care approach regarding his & Oasis' career, combined with his suspicions that Noel was hand in glove with the tabloids, lasting acrimony was inevitable as neither of them was willing to apologise to the other. Liam could have prevented that from happening had he chosen to postpone his wedding, though. I think the last line to be honest was simply part of an ongoing series of issues personally and perhaps professionally between the brothers, and if it hadn't been getting married then something else would have come up- also to flip it around could the sessions not have been rescheduled if it was so important to Noel? The real truth I suspect we will never know because the two people involved are going to give different versions of events. I have had (happily now resolved) business arguments with my siblings which at the time I put the blame firmly on them and said so when asked, but if you had spoken to them at the time you would have heard quite the opposite, so for an outsider in the same circumstances as Liam and Noel it would be very difficult to judge who said what to whom.
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Post by spaneli on Jan 20, 2017 14:58:59 GMT -5
Honestly, the narrative.
When are people going to accept that Liam is a grown-up? That he is responsible for his actions and his words. How much hand holding does someone need? Because reading these posts, Liam is an idiot, so any thing he says is essentially excusable. Anything he's done can't be as worse as someone who is "intelligent."
It's the same false dichotomy of Liam as the one who wears his heart on his sleeve, while Noel is manipulative....which quite frankly, is fan mythology. Now, there's a new narrative of "Oh well, you can't really take Liam seriously. He's an idiot." But Noel. Strike him down from the heavens. He knows exactly what he's doing. I call bullshit.
Both of these brothers are grown men. And they know exactly what they're doing whenever they insult each other. There is no difference. The only difference is plain bias. Because taken on their face, each are just as hurtful to each other, and fully aware how hurtful they are.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 16:23:55 GMT -5
in all fairness it goes further than just the music or the band, these are two brothers who apparently haven't hardly spoken much for close to a decade, thats sad shit tbh especially since its mostly point scoring garbage.
they will probably look back on all the petty bullshit and realise what a waste of time it was when they are forced to put it all into perspective.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 16:26:19 GMT -5
You could replace each instance of Liam with Trump and all these posts would still make sense.
It's very weird.
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Post by Jgrp on Jan 20, 2017 16:43:14 GMT -5
I think most of the time with these things it's 6 of 1, half a dozen of the other. I just dispize Noel's press conference that time which made me see a different side to him. At least Liam says he'd start oasis again tomorrow, meaning he'd talk to Noel tomorrow, and yes he gives twitter abuse, but he's admitted that's all tongue in cheek. Noel doesn't say anything about Liam except implies he's been so off the scale behind closed doors, so bad he can't even say what it is, that he's not ever going to speak to him again.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 20, 2017 16:47:32 GMT -5
they are both idiots
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 20, 2017 16:55:38 GMT -5
I think most of the time with these things it's 6 of 1, half a dozen of the other. I just dispize Noel's press conference that time which made me see a different side to him. At least Liam says he'd start oasis again tomorrow, meaning he'd talk to Noel tomorrow, and yes he gives twitter abuse, but he's admitted that's all tongue in cheek. Noel doesn't say anything about Liam except implies he's been so off the scale behind closed doors, so bad he can't even say what it is, that he's not ever going to speak to him again. Why does he have to explain to the whole world why they don't talk? Who are you to judge whether it's bad enough not to talk ever again or not?
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 20, 2017 16:56:28 GMT -5
Honestly, the narrative. When are people going to accept that Liam is a grown-up? That he is responsible for his actions and his words. How much hand holding does someone need? Because reading these posts, Liam is an idiot, so any thing he says is essentially excusable. Anything he's done can't be as worse as someone who is "intelligent." It's the same false dichotomy of Liam as the one who wears his heart on his sleeve, while Noel is manipulative....which quite frankly, is fan mythology. Now, there's a new narrative of "Oh well, you can't really take Liam seriously. He's an idiot." But Noel. Strike him down from the heavens. He knows exactly what he's doing. I call bullshit. Both of these brothers are grown men. And they know exactly what they're doing whenever they insult each other. There is no difference. The only difference is plain bias. Because taken on their face, each are just as hurtful to each other, and fully aware how hurtful they are. This times a hundred. FFS people.
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Post by Jgrp on Jan 20, 2017 17:01:11 GMT -5
I think most of the time with these things it's 6 of 1, half a dozen of the other. I just dispize Noel's press conference that time which made me see a different side to him. At least Liam says he'd start oasis again tomorrow, meaning he'd talk to Noel tomorrow, and yes he gives twitter abuse, but he's admitted that's all tongue in cheek. Noel doesn't say anything about Liam except implies he's been so off the scale behind closed doors, so bad he can't even say what it is, that he's not ever going to speak to him again. Why does he have to explain to the whole world why they don't talk? Who are you to judge whether it's bad enough not to talk ever again or not? To further his career is the answer and feed his own ego. Who are you to judge that something can be so bad between brothers you don't talk for 8 years? It's bull shit. Family stick together and talk no matter what, unless you have an ulterior motive. Nothing is that bad is what I'm saying
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