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Post by acanadiengallagher on Sept 7, 2016 21:34:52 GMT -5
I hate them because of the pressure they put Oasis under to tour. Bands this big and this talented in the studio deserve the option to tour, like the Beatles.
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Post by The Chief on Sept 8, 2016 6:54:51 GMT -5
I hate them because of the pressure they put Oasis under to tour. Bands this big and this talented in the studio deserve the option to tour, like the Beatles. Pressure? The band loved touring, except maybe Noel. But no one could have kept Liam in the studio, he would have gone mad(er)! |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 9, 2016 19:26:28 GMT -5
Can people please stop combining SOTSOG with HC - no compilation of such looks even remotely right, ffs  |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 10, 2016 3:37:16 GMT -5
Can people please stop combining SOTSOG with HC - no compilation of such looks even remotely right, ffs In fairness a combination might have worked if the collection of songs were recorded in the same sessions, ideally with Mark "Spike" Stent rather than Noel Gallagher assisted by Gem Archer on production duties. The demos from Heathen Chemistry do sound better to me mixed into a SOTSOG playlist, but I take your point if you mean with the sound that it doesn't work owing to the two different recording styles. |
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Post by cloudburster on Sept 10, 2016 4:38:06 GMT -5
Can people please stop combining SOTSOG with HC - no compilation of such looks even remotely right, ffs In fairness a combination might have worked if the collection of songs were recorded in the same sessions, ideally with Mark "Spike" Stent rather than Noel Gallagher assisted by Gem Archer on production duties. The demos from Heathen Chemistry do sound better to me mixed into a SOTSOG playlist, but I take your point if you mean with the sound that it doesn't work owing to the two different recording styles. Hmm, there's certain songs from HC that don't fit at all, but a few of them could've fitted. See below. 1. Fuckin' in the bushes 2. Go let it out 3. Who feels love? 4. Stop crying your heart out 5. The Hindu times (demo version, Liam vox) 6. Little by little 7. Idler's dream 8. Gas panic! 9. Full on (Liam vox) 10. Let's all make believe I think that's a pretty well-flowing strong album, and would've given SOTSOG a couple of hit singles that it sorely missed... |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 10, 2016 4:41:11 GMT -5
In fairness a combination might have worked if the collection of songs were recorded in the same sessions, ideally with Mark "Spike" Stent rather than Noel Gallagher assisted by Gem Archer on production duties. The demos from Heathen Chemistry do sound better to me mixed into a SOTSOG playlist, but I take your point if you mean with the sound that it doesn't work owing to the two different recording styles. Hmm, there's certain songs from HC that don't fit at all, but a few of them could've fitted. See below. 1. Fuckin' in the bushes 2. Go let it out 3. Who feels love? 4. Stop crying your heart out 5. The Hindu times (demo version, Liam vox) 6. Little by little 7. Idler's dream 8. Gas panic! 9. Full on (Liam vox) 10. Let's all make believe I think that's a pretty well-flowing strong album, and would've given SOTSOG a couple of hit singles that it sorely missed... That's the point though with The Hindu Times and Full On, there would have needed to be a session where those versions were actually recorded. What I was saying was that the sound of HC to me doesn't fit SOTSOG, not that the actual songs couldn't have worked on one record  |
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Post by cloudburster on Sept 10, 2016 4:47:47 GMT -5
Hmm, there's certain songs from HC that don't fit at all, but a few of them could've fitted. See below. 1. Fuckin' in the bushes 2. Go let it out 3. Who feels love? 4. Stop crying your heart out 5. The Hindu times (demo version, Liam vox) 6. Little by little 7. Idler's dream 8. Gas panic! 9. Full on (Liam vox) 10. Let's all make believe I think that's a pretty well-flowing strong album, and would've given SOTSOG a couple of hit singles that it sorely missed... That's the point though with The Hindu Times and Full On, there would have needed to be a session where those versions were actually recorded. What I was saying was that the sound of HC to me doesn't fit SOTSOG, not that the actual songs couldn't have worked on one record Oh yeah totally, as a tracklisting made up of the versions we have, not so much, but if they'd been recorded in 2001 with the same producer they'd obviously have more of the same vibe. I get you. Its still nice to visualise (or whatever the auditory version of imagining is). |
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Post by The Escapist on Sept 10, 2016 13:07:37 GMT -5
Can people please stop combining SOTSOG with HC - no compilation of such looks even remotely right, ffs Can you really not see The Hindu Times (Demo), Stop Crying Your Heart Out, Idler's Dream, and even Little by Little - if given the production style used on SOTGOG - fitting in perfectly with Where Did it All Go Wrong?, Let's All Make Believe, Roll it Over, etc...? Seems perfectly natural to me. They all have the darker introspective lyrics Noel was writing at the time, they all have that slight experimental tint that separates them from 90's Oasis, and they compliment each other perfectly; SOTSOG needs more singles, Heathen Chemistry's singles need more creativity. The only reason it might be difficult to imagine them together is because some are produced wonderfully by a band still inspired to be the best in the world, and some sound they were recorded in their mum's garage. If they were all given that Stent-production and experimental edge, they would fit perfectly together IMO. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 17:31:47 GMT -5
Why does SOTSOG need more singles? Why does it matter that it failed? It's one of my favourite albums by them.
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Post by carlober on Sept 11, 2016 14:08:37 GMT -5
Why does SOTSOG need more singles? Why does it matter that it failed? It's one of my favourite albums by them. Well, it may not matter to you but I'm quite sure it mattered to Noel & the band at the time, given the huge leap-back that was HC. They freaked out and decided to abandon SOTSOG's ambition to focus on a safer yet derivative (and incredibly dull) sound. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 18:45:32 GMT -5
Another thing I really don't understand is the vinyl reissue of TM, SOTSOG, HC and DBTT. Seriously, WTF.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 11, 2016 18:58:21 GMT -5
Another thing I really don't understand is the vinyl reissue of TM, SOTSOG, HC and DBTT. Seriously, WTF. With the EU extension for copyrights on original recordings increased from fifty to seventy years back in 2011 coming into force reissues are a good way of promoting a catalogue repeatedly over a number of years given that the time period for exclusive ownership is now extended. Definitely Maybe as an audio recording for example will now stay under copyright until 2064. Also the partnership Oasis have with Sony Music Entertainment IIRC included Big Brother Recordings Ltd licensing and negotiating to buy the masters for their studio albums completed under the band's original contract. A reissue again generates interest from the core fan base as well as promoting the catalogue generally, and under the new terms of ownership, etc. will generate much better earnings per unit sold for the band than was previously earned as a major label signed artist. Therefore a reissue is the best way to generate new sales as it includes both the original fans as well as appealing to new fans getting into the band as it includes the original LP alongside the extras that complete part of the album story. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 19:11:30 GMT -5
Another thing I really don't understand is the vinyl reissue of TM, SOTSOG, HC and DBTT. Seriously, WTF. With the EU extension for copyrights on original recordings increased from fifty to seventy years back in 2011 coming into force reissues are a good way of promoting a catalogue repeatedly over a number of years given that the time period for exclusive ownership is now extended. Definitely Maybe as an audio recording for example will now stay under copyright until 2064. Also the partnership Oasis have with Sony Music Entertainment IIRC included Big Brother Recordings Ltd licensing and negotiating to buy the masters for their studio albums completed under the band's original contract. A reissue again generates interest from the core fan base as well as promoting the catalogue generally, and under the new terms of ownership, etc. will generate much better earnings per unit sold for the band than was previously earned as a major label signed artist. Therefore a reissue is the best way to generate new sales as it includes both the original fans as well as appealing to new fans getting into the band as it includes the original LP alongside the extras that complete part of the album story. I'm happy with the reissues, but they aren't even available on the official website. |
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Post by Rain on Dec 30, 2018 17:06:35 GMT -5
Wonsaponatime is a cancer. He hates this forum — caused issues with other sites in the past. He's not a fan nor a friend to the fans. He works for the man "Corporation". Let's hope birds s.hit on him when he's outside. Again, Wonsaponatime is cancer for Oasis fans. He's the black cloud for online communities as he slithers through every place online to get them to shut down. Online communities are the reason The Gallagher brothers or Oasis are still alive. New fans not only learn but see or listen to bootleg material — no online communities, then no support for a fan base. |
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Post by mimmihopps on Dec 31, 2018 4:03:35 GMT -5
Wonsaponatime is a cancer. He hates this forum — caused issues with other sites in the past. He's not a fan nor a friend to the fans. He works for the man "Corporation". Let's hope birds s.hit on him when he's outside. Again, Wonsaponatime is cancer for Oasis fans. He's the black cloud for online communities as he slithers through every place online to get them to shut down. Online communities are the reason The Gallagher brothers or Oasis are still alive. New fans not only learn but see or listen to bootleg material — no online communities, then no support for a fan base. I completely agree, Rain. Without this forum and so many great people that have been sharing their recording/info, I would never have had so many Oasis bootlegs I have now. I'm not active for collecting bootlegs as I used to be. I do have many, but don't get many new ones. It's alright because you don't miss what you've never had. Online Oasis community gave me so much, more than what I asked for. Not only countless bootlegs, but more music and beautiful friends. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 31, 2018 11:44:07 GMT -5
Again, Wonsaponatime is cancer for Oasis fans. He's the black cloud for online communities as he slithers through every place online to get them to shut down. Online communities are the reason The Gallagher brothers or Oasis are still alive. New fans not only learn but see or listen to bootleg material — no online communities, then no support for a fan base. I completely agree, Rain. Without this forum and so many great people that have been sharing their recording/info, I would never have had so many Oasis bootlegs I have now. I'm not active for collecting bootlegs as I used to be. I do have many, but don't get many new ones. It's alright because you don't miss what you've never had. Online Oasis community gave me so much, more than what I asked for. Not only countless bootlegs, but more music and beautiful friends. Record companies and older bands have always feared the Internet because it is something they can’t control at all on any level. Prior they had all the power, controlled the means of production totally and exploited fans for decades with over pricing products. It was hysterical in the year 2000 to see them attack fans on a personal level and Napster. Those small victories for the record industry were never going to alter the fate of music moving forward. It was a tiny bandaide. I’m split on my fond memories for collecting and hunting down rare releases between 1995 and 2000. Going to the record store at midnight to hear your bands fav album is a thing of the past. However, the internet has gotten me into more bands and genres then I would have ever gotten into under the old system or at least a much much slower pace. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 31, 2018 15:03:02 GMT -5
I hate Managment because they don’t release shit.,
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Post by World71R on Dec 31, 2018 15:40:00 GMT -5
Can people please stop combining SOTSOG with HC - no compilation of such looks even remotely right, ffs I know this was two years ago, but I'd disagree. Force of Nature, The Hindu Times demo, Born on a Different Cloud, and Little by Little all sound just fine with some of the SOTSOG songs, like Where Did it All Go Wrong? and Go Let it Out. |
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Post by Rain on Dec 31, 2018 15:41:12 GMT -5
Again, Wonsaponatime is cancer for Oasis fans. He's the black cloud for online communities as he slithers through every place online to get them to shut down. Online communities are the reason The Gallagher brothers or Oasis are still alive. New fans not only learn but see or listen to bootleg material — no online communities, then no support for a fan base. I completely agree, Rain. Without this forum and so many great people that have been sharing their recording/info, I would never have had so many Oasis bootlegs I have now. I'm not active for collecting bootlegs as I used to be. I do have many, but don't get many new ones. It's alright because you don't miss what you've never had. Online Oasis community gave me so much, more than what I asked for. Not only countless bootlegs but more music and beautiful friends. Being on Oasis communities closer to two decades now. I chatted with many people all parts of the world. There have been marriages from members meeting each other from online communities like this one, kids from those marriages, divorces, rendezvous, and fans who are physically in poor health small enjoyments like here. Many were college students became Teachers, IT professionals, Doctors, Editors, Fashion Designers, Lawyers, plumbers, police officers and more. These happened on fanbase forums and online communities, not official ones. Bootleggers and recordings all within time end up boxsets or other official releases. For Oasis management, Noel Gallagher's management and Liam Gallagher's management to a point have not been a great support to their online fans or at least friendly. Oasis management from 2007ish or 2008 to present all but nearly killed off many online communities or put the fear of God into them. Other bands like the Foo Fighters and so on have been way more supportive. Noel and Liam both make it into a chore, not enjoyment to be apart of their websites and fan interactivity. |
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Post by mimmihopps on Jan 1, 2019 13:34:18 GMT -5
I completely agree, Rain. Without this forum and so many great people that have been sharing their recording/info, I would never have had so many Oasis bootlegs I have now. I'm not active for collecting bootlegs as I used to be. I do have many, but don't get many new ones. It's alright because you don't miss what you've never had. Online Oasis community gave me so much, more than what I asked for. Not only countless bootlegs, but more music and beautiful friends. Record companies and older bands have always feared the Internet because it is something they can’t control at all on any level. Prior they had all the power, controlled the means of production totally and exploited fans for decades with over pricing products. It was hysterical in the year 2000 to see them attack fans on a personal level and Napster. Those small victories for the record industry were never going to alter the fate of music moving forward. It was a tiny bandaide. I’m split on my fond memories for collecting and hunting down rare releases between 1995 and 2000. Going to the record store at midnight to hear your bands fav album is a thing of the past. However, the internet has gotten me into more bands and genres then I would have ever gotten into under the old system or at least a much much slower pace. Same to me. I'm from an analogue generation. Grew up with a record player and a cassette deck. I bought my first CD/radio player in 1996 and I still have a discman. In my youth I spent all the night at front of a ticket shop to be the first one to get concert tickets. No internet, no youtube and no download yet. Monthly music magazine and midnight radio show were the only sources I could get new info's regarding new releases/new bands. Those were the days. Around 2002 I downloaded lots of music from kazaa, wimmix and later many bootlegs from Soul Seek, then torrent such as dime and zomb. I couldn't have discovered so many new bands/music without internet as I did past 15 years. I can listen to every album/single/B-side on spotify for free, watch live sessions on many websites and youtube. I can even read music magazines without purchasing them. So internet made a major change to my music life. Yet waiting for the release date and get a copy in my local record shop on the release date is, something I don't want to miss. and for Ignition..."this is how it's intended to be", right? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 8:41:44 GMT -5
I don't hate them.
Even if I don't always understand the "why" behind their decisions.
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