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Post by bastardnumber1 on Sept 5, 2016 7:33:49 GMT -5
Linking youtube clips uploaded by random users instead of posting something new of their own media is a disgrace. Prices for the Deluxe versions are debatable. 100 pounds is a lot of money plus shipping but it would be worth it when there is enough content for the fans that already have everything like the BHN reissue. WTSMG and DM were NOT worth it. Postcards, key rings and badges? Come on! I´m sure they have a lot of concert footage. There would be no problem to at least put one dvd with a gig into that boxes. Make it 110 pounds then if it´s too much work. The Supersonic movie promotion doesn´t exist. There are no cinema dates released, no trailers, no nothing less than a month until it should be out. Single decisions are also debatable, it´s always easier to say that this would have been better than that a few years later. DYKWIM was in my opinion a shit choice for a first single. Don´t Go Away, Stand By Me, even Stay Young would have made a better first single. But I guess at that time they thought why not. There would be a lot more but I can´t be arsed now
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 9:26:23 GMT -5
I cant honestly see what they do in their day tbh inbetween creating a BHN reissue trailer, tweeting someone elses videos and going after itunes samples....
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Sept 6, 2016 0:46:05 GMT -5
Linking youtube clips uploaded by random users instead of posting something new of their own media is a disgrace. Prices for the Deluxe versions are debatable. 100 pounds is a lot of money plus shipping but it would be worth it when there is enough content for the fans that already have everything like the BHN reissue. WTSMG and DM were NOT worth it. Postcards, key rings and badges? Come on! I´m sure they have a lot of concert footage. There would be no problem to at least put one dvd with a gig into that boxes. Make it 110 pounds then if it´s too much work. The Supersonic movie promotion doesn´t exist. There are no cinema dates released, no trailers, no nothing less than a month until it should be out. Single decisions are also debatable, it´s always easier to say that this would have been better than that a few years later. DYKWIM was in my opinion a shit choice for a first single. Don´t Go Away, Stand By Me, even Stay Young would have made a better first single. But I guess at that time they thought why not. There would be a lot more but I can´t be arsed now I agree with you that Stay Young would have been a better choice of single. Don't Go Away not so much, as it wasn't a strong statement of intent as a first single for a new album. Second single maybe. But back then under Creation, the marketing team really couldn't do much wrong. The hype built around BHN reached levels I have never witnessed before or since, making it become the fastest selling album of all time, so DYKWIM didn't exactly harm its release. It was also a statement of intent that Oasis could break into new territory with a slightly newer, cooler sound. The Brian Cannon posters and covers were far more striking back then too. The logo definitely stood out. Brand Oasis during the first 3 albums was in full swing, with each single having 4 songs that would have been the greatest hit singles on many other bands records. Yet having been badly burnt by the fallout of BHN (or Britpop, more accurately) Noel withdrew into his shell and has become almost frightened of hyping and promoting his records too much. SOTSOG release was a non-event, as was all the albums that followed. The album and single covers were pretty much appalling for most part. The only thing Noel is not shy in doing is going on chat shows and magazines to talk about his new material. But the marketing team seem to have been put under a tight restraint ever since 2000. I have been more impressed this time round with the re-release of BHN, with the newer DYKWIM single, the upgraded HD video, never heard before material from Mustique, and now having seen the Supersonic trailer, the film is looking pretty good. I didn't bother buying into the remastered versions of DM and WTS, but with BHN I've made the exception and plunged for the £100 box set, because the material included this time round has improved dramatically.
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Post by rekrelf on Sept 6, 2016 1:00:22 GMT -5
Linking youtube clips uploaded by random users instead of posting something new of their own media is a disgrace. Prices for the Deluxe versions are debatable. 100 pounds is a lot of money plus shipping but it would be worth it when there is enough content for the fans that already have everything like the BHN reissue. WTSMG and DM were NOT worth it. Postcards, key rings and badges? Come on! I´m sure they have a lot of concert footage. There would be no problem to at least put one dvd with a gig into that boxes. Make it 110 pounds then if it´s too much work. The Supersonic movie promotion doesn´t exist. There are no cinema dates released, no trailers, no nothing less than a month until it should be out. Single decisions are also debatable, it´s always easier to say that this would have been better than that a few years later. DYKWIM was in my opinion a shit choice for a first single. Don´t Go Away, Stand By Me, even Stay Young would have made a better first single. But I guess at that time they thought why not. There would be a lot more but I can´t be arsed now I agree with you that Stay Young would have been a better choice of single. Don't Go Away not so much, as it wasn't a strong statement of intent as a first single for a new album. Second single maybe. But back then under Creation, the marketing team really couldn't do much wrong. The hype built around BHN reached levels I have never witnessed before or since, making it become the fastest selling album of all time, so DYKWIM didn't exactly harm its release. It was also a statement of intent that Oasis could break into new territory with a slightly newer, cooler sound. The Brian Cannon posters and covers were far more striking back then too. The logo definitely stood out. Brand Oasis during the first 3 albums was in full swing, with each single having 4 songs that would have been the greatest hit singles on many other bands records. Yet having been badly burnt by the fallout of BHN (or Britpop, more accurately) Noel withdrew into his shell and has become almost frightened of hyping and promoting his records too much. SOTSOG release was a non-event, as was all the albums that followed. The album and single covers were pretty much appalling for most part. The only thing Noel is not shy in doing is going on chat shows and magazines to talk about his new material. But the marketing team seem to have been put under a tight restraint ever since 2000. I have been more impressed this time round with the re-release of BHN, with the newer DYKWIM single, the upgraded HD video, never heard before material from Mustique, and now having seen the Supersonic trailer, the film is looking pretty good. I didn't bother buying into the remastered versions of DM and WTS, but with BHN I've made the exception and plunged for the £100 box set, because the material included this time round has improved dramatically. For me DYKWIM was the perfect single. It was the first single I bought at the date of release. This song was so fucking big for me!!! A new BUT perfect Oasis sound. 1997 was for me personally the coolest Oasis era. The sound, the style, the music, the acting, the gigs. Sad that the band (esp. Noel) hates this era so much. I would kill for a DVD boxset with gigs like (Earls Court 97 etc.)
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Sept 6, 2016 1:06:22 GMT -5
I agree with you that Stay Young would have been a better choice of single. Don't Go Away not so much, as it wasn't a strong statement of intent as a first single for a new album. Second single maybe. But back then under Creation, the marketing team really couldn't do much wrong. The hype built around BHN reached levels I have never witnessed before or since, making it become the fastest selling album of all time, so DYKWIM didn't exactly harm its release. It was also a statement of intent that Oasis could break into new territory with a slightly newer, cooler sound. The Brian Cannon posters and covers were far more striking back then too. The logo definitely stood out. Brand Oasis during the first 3 albums was in full swing, with each single having 4 songs that would have been the greatest hit singles on many other bands records. Yet having been badly burnt by the fallout of BHN (or Britpop, more accurately) Noel withdrew into his shell and has become almost frightened of hyping and promoting his records too much. SOTSOG release was a non-event, as was all the albums that followed. The album and single covers were pretty much appalling for most part. The only thing Noel is not shy in doing is going on chat shows and magazines to talk about his new material. But the marketing team seem to have been put under a tight restraint ever since 2000. I have been more impressed this time round with the re-release of BHN, with the newer DYKWIM single, the upgraded HD video, never heard before material from Mustique, and now having seen the Supersonic trailer, the film is looking pretty good. I didn't bother buying into the remastered versions of DM and WTS, but with BHN I've made the exception and plunged for the £100 box set, because the material included this time round has improved dramatically. For me DYKWIM was the perfect single. It was the first single I bought at the date of release. This song was so fucking big for me!!! A new BUT perfect Oasis sound. 1997 was for me personally the coolest Oasis era. The sound, the style, the music, the acting, the gigs. Sad that the band (esp. Noel) hates this era so much. I would kill for a DVD boxset with gigs like (Earls Court 97 etc.) I agree 100%
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Post by bastardnumber1 on Sept 6, 2016 1:45:39 GMT -5
Oh I didn´t want to say that I personally don´t like DYKWIM. And yeah at that time they probably could have released Little James and it would have been a success. But I think for promotion Stay Young for example would have been better just because it´s more radio friendly whatever that means
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Sept 6, 2016 2:13:49 GMT -5
Oh I didn´t want to say that I personally don´t like DYKWIM. And yeah at that time they probably could have released Little James and it would have been a success. But I think for promotion Stay Young for example would have been better just because it´s more radio friendly whatever that means SY definitely is a better song than DYKWIM in my eyes, and yes its more radio friendly. But the release of DYKWIM didn't do any harm to the release of BHN. The real damage to BHN has been said a countless times on here - Princess Di, the public no longer having the appetite for the optimism around Britpop, tastes changing to wanting darker, more soul searching Verve/Radiohead type stuff, the loud mix of BHN not being radio friendly enough....etc. etc. As much as Noel bigs up his first 2 albums with having his greatest songs, the third album, with all its B sides was pretty much up there too in terms of strong tunes. Going Nowhere is as good as anything from the first 2 albums, as is Stay Young, Don't Go Away and Stand By Me. Unfortunately the songs became much weaker from 2000 onwards, where any decent tracks were purposely resided to B sides, to keep that Oasis trend going, but the songs left for the albums themselves were not that great in general. You can't really blame bad management for that, although as I said earlier, having the backbone team of Owen Morris - to give a more confident Oasis sound (SOTSOG and in particular HC were both crying out for this), and Brian Cannon - to still churn out iconic posters/covers, and not ditch the established Oasis brand identity, would have helped immensely in keeping the Oasis bandwagon rolling. It's telling that the best single cover released since 2000 is the recent DYKWIM 2016 Cannon cover, with its familiar Oasis logo firmly back in place up on the right hand corner. Just goes to show how much Noel fucked up with that silly Oasis Mk2 logo on SOTSOG, and then the bastardised logo for HC, and the crude, messy attempt to get back to the old logo with DBTT and DOYS, with horrendous cover artwork.
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Post by cloudburster on Sept 6, 2016 4:08:23 GMT -5
Linking youtube clips uploaded by random users instead of posting something new of their own media is a disgrace. Prices for the Deluxe versions are debatable. 100 pounds is a lot of money plus shipping but it would be worth it when there is enough content for the fans that already have everything like the BHN reissue. WTSMG and DM were NOT worth it. Postcards, key rings and badges? Come on! I´m sure they have a lot of concert footage. There would be no problem to at least put one dvd with a gig into that boxes. Make it 110 pounds then if it´s too much work. The Supersonic movie promotion doesn´t exist. There are no cinema dates released, no trailers, no nothing less than a month until it should be out. Single decisions are also debatable, it´s always easier to say that this would have been better than that a few years later. DYKWIM was in my opinion a shit choice for a first single. Don´t Go Away, Stand By Me, even Stay Young would have made a better first single. But I guess at that time they thought why not. There would be a lot more but I can´t be arsed now I agree with you that Stay Young would have been a better choice of single. Don't Go Away not so much, as it wasn't a strong statement of intent as a first single for a new album. Second single maybe. But back then under Creation, the marketing team really couldn't do much wrong. The hype built around BHN reached levels I have never witnessed before or since, making it become the fastest selling album of all time, so DYKWIM didn't exactly harm its release. It was also a statement of intent that Oasis could break into new territory with a slightly newer, cooler sound. The Brian Cannon posters and covers were far more striking back then too. The logo definitely stood out. Brand Oasis during the first 3 albums was in full swing, with each single having 4 songs that would have been the greatest hit singles on many other bands records. Yet having been badly burnt by the fallout of BHN (or Britpop, more accurately) Noel withdrew into his shell and has become almost frightened of hyping and promoting his records too much. SOTSOG release was a non-event, as was all the albums that followed. The album and single covers were pretty much appalling for most part. The only thing Noel is not shy in doing is going on chat shows and magazines to talk about his new material. But the marketing team seem to have been put under a tight restraint ever since 2000. I have been more impressed this time round with the re-release of BHN, with the newer DYKWIM single, the upgraded HD video, never heard before material from Mustique, and now having seen the Supersonic trailer, the film is looking pretty good. I didn't bother buying into the remastered versions of DM and WTS, but with BHN I've made the exception and plunged for the £100 box set, because the material included this time round has improved dramatically. Noel called every album in the 00s the best thing they'd recorded since Definitely Maybe, so this isn't entirely accurate
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Sept 6, 2016 6:02:01 GMT -5
I agree with you that Stay Young would have been a better choice of single. Don't Go Away not so much, as it wasn't a strong statement of intent as a first single for a new album. Second single maybe. But back then under Creation, the marketing team really couldn't do much wrong. The hype built around BHN reached levels I have never witnessed before or since, making it become the fastest selling album of all time, so DYKWIM didn't exactly harm its release. It was also a statement of intent that Oasis could break into new territory with a slightly newer, cooler sound. The Brian Cannon posters and covers were far more striking back then too. The logo definitely stood out. Brand Oasis during the first 3 albums was in full swing, with each single having 4 songs that would have been the greatest hit singles on many other bands records. Yet having been badly burnt by the fallout of BHN (or Britpop, more accurately) Noel withdrew into his shell and has become almost frightened of hyping and promoting his records too much. SOTSOG release was a non-event, as was all the albums that followed. The album and single covers were pretty much appalling for most part. The only thing Noel is not shy in doing is going on chat shows and magazines to talk about his new material. But the marketing team seem to have been put under a tight restraint ever since 2000. I have been more impressed this time round with the re-release of BHN, with the newer DYKWIM single, the upgraded HD video, never heard before material from Mustique, and now having seen the Supersonic trailer, the film is looking pretty good. I didn't bother buying into the remastered versions of DM and WTS, but with BHN I've made the exception and plunged for the £100 box set, because the material included this time round has improved dramatically. Noel called every album in the 00s the best thing they'd recorded since Definitely Maybe, so this isn't entirely accurate He may have said that to the cameras, magazines, microphones, etc......but the shoddy, timid, shy marketing campaigns themselves around each release says otherwise. Noel got so badly burned by the fallout from the OTT BHN release, I doubt he'll trust marketing people ever again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 6:25:40 GMT -5
I think SOTSOG knocked Noel confidence more than BHN because he tried to go in a different direction and fell flat on its face tbh and he developed into his safe self we see today, he was on a radio interview last year I believe and spoke about all the oasis albums (even commented in a bright way about BHN) but SOTSOG didnt even get listed.
problem is SOTSOG sound was fine the songs couldve been better is all, I think that album was basically the reason why Noel stopped writing most / all of the albums.
with the band members leaving etc they probably shouldve walked away for a few years and re access what to do next, SOTSOG was possibly the wrong time to try something new when Noel was least inspired and didnt have the band members there to make it happen.
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Post by wozdareden on Sept 6, 2016 7:43:03 GMT -5
Noel was not dry for SOTSOG. He had plenty of songs. Probably not too many for Liam but there are still a lot of songs in the vaults that we don't know. It was the perfect time for a change. He should have made a solo record and then get back to work for Liam's voice. I listened to Little James and Roll It Over this weekend. Ain't that bad. I wouldn't change anything on LJ. RIO misses something. It's like he tries to go through the bridge and then walks back. Emptiness, lack of emotions ryhmes with RIO.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Sept 6, 2016 8:30:21 GMT -5
I think SOTSOG knocked Noel confidence more than BHN because he tried to go in a different direction and fell flat on its face tbh and he developed into his safe self we see today, he was on a radio interview last year I believe and spoke about all the oasis albums (even commented in a bright way about BHN) but SOTSOG didnt even get listed. problem is SOTSOG sound was fine the songs couldve been better is all, I think that album was basically the reason why Noel stopped writing most / all of the albums. with the band members leaving etc they probably shouldve walked away for a few years and re access what to do next, SOTSOG was possibly the wrong time to try something new when Noel was least inspired and didnt have the band members there to make it happen. One look at songs such as Gas Panic, Where did it all go Wrong, Sunday Morning Call and a couple of downbeat B sides, and its obvious Noel was in a very dark place when this album was written. Its probably hard for him to revisit and remain detached from the emotions he felt at that time. This was the ultimate hangover record. He's often said BHN was the most fun he had making a record (even if he has slagged it off in the past). It was written in their heyday of partying and having it large.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 8:52:44 GMT -5
Noel was not dry for SOTSOG. He had plenty of songs. Probably not too many for Liam but there are still a lot of songs in the vaults that we don't know. It was the perfect time for a change. He should have made a solo record and then get back to work for Liam's voice. I listened to Little James and Roll It Over this weekend. Ain't that bad. I wouldn't change anything on LJ. RIO misses something. It's like he tries to go through the bridge and then walks back. Emptiness, lack of emotions ryhmes with RIO. it was the perfect time for a change in the timeline of things after 3 albums of the same style but it wasnt the right time from a creative standpoint when Noel clearly wasnt all that inspired to write music and 2 band members left leaving only Liam, Noel and Alan to create an entire record, they couldve at least waited until Gem and Andy were brought it properly. SOTSOG isnt a bad record but even so its not as good as BHN and that itself was considered a step down from DM and WTSMG, theres a nice selection of songs on there but its probably their weakest going from only the singles, theres simply not enough big oasis anthems to draw peoples attention. I just feel after the madness of the BHN tour and the breakdown of the band it probably wouldve been best to either walk away from oasis and allow Liam and Noel to venture into other projects for a while or simply go and have a break for a few years before creating a 4th record. as Ive said before, you combine HC and SOTSOG and youve got a great record, SOTSOG has the substance but HC has the singles but on their own they both are abit meh compared to everything else.
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Post by wozdareden on Sept 6, 2016 9:36:37 GMT -5
I disagree. It was a perfect time for a change because of the hangover, Guigsy, Bonehead, divorce, drug-stop etc. That's what he tried to do anyway. Right time for a new producer, a new sound. Go Let It Out is mega. A pure Oasis anthem. And we don't know what he had in his songbook. Just imagine Lock All The Doors on it !
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 9:49:25 GMT -5
And we don't know what he had in his songbook. Just imagine Lock All The Doors on it ! I think he forget that song until they found it when they selected songs for the DM reissue.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Sept 6, 2016 10:18:36 GMT -5
Noel was not dry for SOTSOG. He had plenty of songs. Probably not too many for Liam but there are still a lot of songs in the vaults that we don't know. It was the perfect time for a change. He should have made a solo record and then get back to work for Liam's voice. I listened to Little James and Roll It Over this weekend. Ain't that bad. I wouldn't change anything on LJ. RIO misses something. It's like he tries to go through the bridge and then walks back. Emptiness, lack of emotions ryhmes with RIO. it was the perfect time for a change in the timeline of things after 3 albums of the same style but it wasnt the right time from a creative standpoint when Noel clearly wasnt all that inspired to write music and 2 band members left leaving only Liam, Noel and Alan to create an entire record, they couldve at least waited until Gem and Andy were brought it properly. SOTSOG isnt a bad record but even so its not as good as BHN and that itself was considered a step down from DM and WTSMG, theres a nice selection of songs on there but its probably their weakest going from only the singles, theres simply not enough big oasis anthems to draw peoples attention. I just feel after the madness of the BHN tour and the breakdown of the band it probably wouldve been best to either walk away from oasis and allow Liam and Noel to venture into other projects for a while or simply go and have a break for a few years before creating a 4th record. as Ive said before, you combine HC and SOTSOG and youve got a great record, SOTSOG has the substance but HC has the singles but on their own they both are abit meh compared to everything else. Actually, a mix of SOTSOG and HC would have been a very strong follow-up album, mixed by Owen Morris. 1. Fuckin in the Bushes 2. The Hindu Times 3. Stop Crying Your Heart Out 4. Little by Little 5. Let's All Make Believe 6. Gas Panic 7. Shout it out Loud 8. Full On 9. (You've Got) The Heart of a Star 10. Thank you for the Good Times Now that would have been a great 4th album...
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Post by tatomoon on Sept 6, 2016 10:32:08 GMT -5
In my opinion they should have released a record in 1999 after Be Here Now, or 1998 after Morning Glory, they had the momentum to wait a few years in 1996 but not by 98. I think they probably wanted to have a record out in 99 but were foiled by the changes going on in the band. The situation was basically impossible in 98/99 and the worst management mistakes were really made in late 96, you can't really blame them though because the band's rise was so fast and emphatic!
DYKWIM release over Christmas 1997 followed by a 1st quarter 98 release for BHN and an outdoors summer tour would have been amazing though!
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Post by wozdareden on Sept 6, 2016 10:53:38 GMT -5
it was the perfect time for a change in the timeline of things after 3 albums of the same style but it wasnt the right time from a creative standpoint when Noel clearly wasnt all that inspired to write music and 2 band members left leaving only Liam, Noel and Alan to create an entire record, they couldve at least waited until Gem and Andy were brought it properly. SOTSOG isnt a bad record but even so its not as good as BHN and that itself was considered a step down from DM and WTSMG, theres a nice selection of songs on there but its probably their weakest going from only the singles, theres simply not enough big oasis anthems to draw peoples attention. I just feel after the madness of the BHN tour and the breakdown of the band it probably wouldve been best to either walk away from oasis and allow Liam and Noel to venture into other projects for a while or simply go and have a break for a few years before creating a 4th record. as Ive said before, you combine HC and SOTSOG and youve got a great record, SOTSOG has the substance but HC has the singles but on their own they both are abit meh compared to everything else. Actually, a mix of SOTSOG and HC would have been a very strong follow-up album, mixed by Owen Morris. 1. Fuckin in the Bushes 2. The Hindu Times 3. Stop Crying Your Heart Out 4. Little by Little 5. Let's All Make Believe 6. Gas Panic 7. Shout it out Loud 8. Full On 9. (You've Got) The Heart of a Star 10. Thank you for the Good Times Now that would have been a great 4th album... What a shit album ! 4 songs by Noel ? And you just forget the last truly great Noel song !
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Sept 6, 2016 13:22:53 GMT -5
Actually, a mix of SOTSOG and HC would have been a very strong follow-up album, mixed by Owen Morris. 1. Fuckin in the Bushes 2. The Hindu Times 3. Stop Crying Your Heart Out 4. Little by Little 5. Let's All Make Believe 6. Gas Panic 7. Shout it out Loud 8. Full On 9. (You've Got) The Heart of a Star 10. Thank you for the Good Times Now that would have been a great 4th album... What a shit album ! 4 songs by Noel ? And you just forget the last truly great Noel song ! Only in your opinion mate. There wasn't that many decent tracks to choose from (a problem throughout all the last 4 albums). And which is the last truly great Noel song?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 13:30:56 GMT -5
What a shit album ! 4 songs by Noel ? And you just forget the last truly great Noel song ! Only in your opinion mate. There wasn't that many decent tracks to choose from (a problem throughout all the last 4 albums). And which is the last truly great Noel song? There is song called 'Go Let It Out', maybe you have heard of it.
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Post by The Chief on Sept 6, 2016 13:31:08 GMT -5
Well if they're the ones who makes insanely blind and stupid decisions like releasing Alone On The Rope by itself ONLY in Germany or if you buy the whole record on Amazon thinking, like idiots, that people who already had the record would just buy it again for one track and not download it somewhere for free as they don't have any other option... then for that kind of shit.
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Post by Hazed on Sept 6, 2016 13:41:08 GMT -5
maybe the wrong thread to ask this but what exactly happened to the rkid blog and what kinda stuff was on there? really interested to hear more about it as i hear it being praised a lot but never got to see it for myself
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Post by The Chief on Sept 6, 2016 13:59:57 GMT -5
maybe the wrong thread to ask this but what exactly happened to the rkid blog and what kinda stuff was on there? really interested to hear more about it as i hear it being praised a lot but never got to see it for myself It was mainly bootlegs and some unreleased rarities that you couldn't buy. Sometimes there would be things you could buy if you were in another country (like the aforementioned Alone On The Rope), demos and instrumental versions. It got shut down several times for copyright infringement until the owner, Jim, just threw the towel.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Sept 6, 2016 14:05:15 GMT -5
Only in your opinion mate. There wasn't that many decent tracks to choose from (a problem throughout all the last 4 albums). And which is the last truly great Noel song? There is song called 'Go Let It Out', maybe you have heard of it. Yes, and its a great song. But too similar to Hindu Times as an opener, and I had to choose one or the other. I opted for HT, but they are both great tracks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 14:33:05 GMT -5
There is song called 'Go Let It Out', maybe you have heard of it. Yes, and its a great song. But too similar to Hindu Times as an opener, and I had to choose one or the other. I opted for HT, but they are both great tracks. If they had any balls, they would have released PYMWYMI or ICSAL as the lead single. Yep, I said it.
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