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Post by guigsysEstring on Nov 9, 2017 23:12:33 GMT -5
Guigsy seems like a moron, he is just nothingness.... like zero personality.... what a waste to have someone like him in one of the biggest bands ever..... felt like he really did'nt enjoy or embrace it...... Still a good thing he was there to stop Noel from sacking Bonehead at Rockfield and consoling Liam during the 'Be Here Now' tour. In fairness to the man from the books and reports around the time he did enjoy his time with the band but he was not a key focal point like the brothers or the party animal that Bonehead could be reported in the press on occasion from 1994-98. He seemed a reserved bloke to me, nothing more or less, and reminded me in terms of attitude of John Entwistle and John Paul Jones to a degree with their respective bands at their peaks. Once the glory years were over and he had departed the band with a young family and his closest mate in the group Bonehead's own departure he reverted back to his private, introverted personality which had always been there including through his health problems which nearly saw him replaced in late 1995 if Scott McLeod had managed to keep it together under the initial pressure of being in Oasis. I'm not sure how that makes him a moron tbh anymore than those lazy/sensationalist journalist articles of the 1990's made Liam Gallagher for example nothing more than a yob- Like all people both men have more to them than just a surface appearance at a particular time. |
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Post by Aman on Nov 10, 2017 4:25:48 GMT -5
I always skip DLBIA - it shits me I rarely listen to it as well tbh. Certainly not actively. |
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Post by seanrulesrh on Nov 10, 2017 4:58:38 GMT -5
I don't get the hate on You Better Run,I think its 1000 times better than Greedy Soul
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 10:37:41 GMT -5
I don't get the hate on You Better Run,I think its 1000 times better than Greedy Soul I think I prefer it to Greedy Soul too. |
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Post by walterglass on Nov 10, 2017 10:42:03 GMT -5
Guigsy seems like a moron, he is just nothingness.... like zero personality.... what a waste to have someone like him in one of the biggest bands ever..... felt like he really did'nt enjoy or embrace it...... Still a good thing he was there to stop Noel from sacking Bonehead at Rockfield and consoling Liam during the 'Be Here Now' tour. In fairness to the man from the books and reports around the time he did enjoy his time with the band but he was not a key focal point like the brothers or the party animal that Bonehead could be reported in the press on occasion from 1994-98. He seemed a reserved bloke to me, nothing more or less, and reminded me in terms of attitude of John Entwistle and John Paul Jones to a degree with their respective bands at their peaks. Once the glory years were over and he had departed the band with a young family and his closest mate in the group Bonehead's own departure he reverted back to his private, introverted personality which had always been there including through his health problems which nearly saw him replaced in late 1995 if Scott McLeod had managed to keep it together under the initial pressure of being in Oasis. I'm not sure how that makes him a moron tbh anymore than those lazy/sensationalist journalist articles of the 1990's made Liam Gallagher for example nothing more than a yob- Like all people both men have more to them than just a surface appearance at a particular time. What happened at Rockfield and why did Liam need consoling? |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Nov 10, 2017 11:57:52 GMT -5
What happened at Rockfield and why did Liam need consoling? At Monnow Valley for the 'Definitely Maybe' sessions with Dave Batchelor (sorry I got mixed up with The Stone Roses who were recording 'Second Coming' down the road at Rockfield and whose singer Ian Brown bumped into Noel in Monmouth town centre) Bonehead got himself very drunk and woke the rest of the band up between 4 and 5am firstly by telephoning the Roses at their studios in a variety of 'comedy' accents (Rasta, Indian takeaway) and then yelling out of a window at some rabbits that it was time for them to go to bed  A deeply unimpressed Noel ordered the guitarist to go to bed again later that morning as he didn't want to see him, and was going on to the others about what he would do when Bonehead sobered up. Guigsy took it upon himself to take Noel up to Monmouth for shopping and a quick drink that turned into seven hour pub session, by which time Noel was sufficiently chilled out to simply tell Bonehead he wasn't getting on it like that again back at the studio before the band then went in and laid down the instrumental to 'Slide Away' (Source- 'Getting High- The Adventures of Oasis)The 'Be Here Now' Tour had a fair few incidents relating to arrests, being banned from Cathay Pacific and various hotels, usually with Liam at the centre of it whether his fault or simply because he was certainly the focus of the press for 1997-98 regarding Oasis. Because of this he understandably had ups and downs emotionally, with two examples given by Paolo Hewitt of Guigsy being a sounding board for Liam coming in 'Forever the People', the first instance being p84 in Geneva when the author bumped into Guigsy going down from his room where he was "chilling" to calm Liam down because according to the bassist Liam was "charged up" on his own in the bar and there would most likely be someone, perhaps a well meaning fan or journalist, who might push him too far. The second example came on p87 where the author observed Liam and Guigsy sat beside each other in conversation with Liam looking troubled, on the way to the hotel in Milan following a gig. According to Hewitt he heard Liam say "I don't like Liam Gallagher at the moment" to which Guigsy put a protective arm around the singer and continued talking to him. After Liam's arrest for assault in Australia with courts and press pressure, and the touring party low mood partly as a result and with other issues, it was Guigsy who pushed for a football match to be played between the band and crew versus some locals which the author noted (p168-169) went some way to restoring a unified team vibe (helped by a 10-2 winning score! ) |
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Post by Jack on Nov 10, 2017 12:01:30 GMT -5
I don't get the hate on You Better Run,I think its 1000 times better than Greedy Soul I think I prefer it to Greedy Soul too. You Better Run sounds amazing live. The studio version, not that great. Unpopular opinion: WTSMG album isn't as good as the b-sides. And BHN is a better album |
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Post by walterglass on Nov 10, 2017 12:06:55 GMT -5
What happened at Rockfield and why did Liam need consoling? At Monnow Valley for the 'Definitely Maybe' sessions with Dave Batchelor (sorry I got mixed up with The Stone Roses who were recording 'Second Coming' down the road at Rockfield and whose singer Ian Brown bumped into Noel in Monmouth town centre) Bonehead got himself very drunk and woke the rest of the band up between 4 and 5am firstly by telephoning the Roses at their studios in a variety of 'comedy' accents (Rasta, Indian takeaway) and then yelling out of a window at some rabbits that it was time for them to go to bed A deeply unimpressed Noel ordered the guitarist to go to bed again later that morning as he didn't want to see him, and was going on to the others about what he would do when Bonehead sobered up. Guigsy took it upon himself to take Noel up to Monmouth for shopping and a quick drink that turned into seven hour pub session, by which time Noel was sufficiently chilled out to simply tell Bonehead he wasn't getting on it like that again back at the studio before the band then went in and laid down the instrumental to 'Slide Away' (Source- 'Getting High- The Adventures of Oasis)The 'Be Here Now' Tour had a fair few incidents relating to arrests, being banned from Cathay Pacific and various hotels, usually with Liam at the centre of it whether his fault or simply because he was certainly the focus of the press for 1997-98 regarding Oasis. Because of this he understandably had ups and downs emotionally, with two examples given by Paolo Hewitt of Guigsy being a sounding board for Liam coming in 'Getting High:The Adventures of Oasis', the first instance being p84 in Geneva when the author bumped into Guigsy going down from his room where he was "chilling" to calm Liam down because according to the bassist Liam was "charged up" on his own in the bar and there would most likely be someone, perhaps a well meaning fan or journalist, who might push him too far. The second example came on p87 where the author observed Liam and Guigsy sat beside each other in conversation with Liam looking troubled, on the way to the hotel in Milan following a gig. According to Hewitt he heard Liam say "I don't like Liam Gallagher at the moment" to which Guigsy put a protective arm around the singer and continued talking to him. After Liam's arrest for assault in Australia with courts and press pressure, and the touring party low mood partly as a result and with other issues, it was Guigsy who pushed for a football match to be played between the band and crew versus some locals which the author noted (p168-169) went some way to restoring a unified team vibe (helped by a 10-2 winning score! ) Helluva post *doffs cap* |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 12:25:34 GMT -5
Guigsy seems like a moron, he is just nothingness.... like zero personality.... what a waste to have someone like him in one of the biggest bands ever..... felt like he really did'nt enjoy or embrace it...... Still a good thing he was there to stop Noel from sacking Bonehead at Rockfield and consoling Liam during the 'Be Here Now' tour. In fairness to the man from the books and reports around the time he did enjoy his time with the band but he was not a key focal point like the brothers or the party animal that Bonehead could be reported in the press on occasion from 1994-98. He seemed a reserved bloke to me, nothing more or less, and reminded me in terms of attitude of John Entwistle and John Paul Jones to a degree with their respective bands at their peaks. Once the glory years were over and he had departed the band with a young family and his closest mate in the group Bonehead's own departure he reverted back to his private, introverted personality which had always been there including through his health problems which nearly saw him replaced in late 1995 if Scott McLeod had managed to keep it together under the initial pressure of being in Oasis. I'm not sure how that makes him a moron tbh anymore than those lazy/sensationalist journalist articles of the 1990's made Liam Gallagher for example nothing more than a yob- Like all people both men have more to them than just a surface appearance at a particular time. Wait... you aren't Guigsy? Do you think there is a chance that Guigsy would write a book about Oasis? He did write a book once right? The Greatest Footballer You Never Saw or something like that. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Nov 10, 2017 12:33:40 GMT -5
Wait... you aren't Guigsy? Do you think there is a chance that Guigsy would write a book about Oasis? He did write a book once right? The Greatest Footballer You Never Saw or something like that. No mate I'm not Paul McGuigan. He did write a book about legendary Reading F.C. and Cardiff City F.C. footballer Robin Friday with Paolo Hewitt which I have, although it's more a collection of interviews with family, friends and professional associates of the troubled football player who died aged only 38. Nonetheless as a football enthusiast it was an enjoyable read, and Robin in his own way led a very rock n' roll lifestyle regarding attitude, partying and relationships. Regarding a book I would be highly surprised given that Guigsy has declined to participate in any Oasis related documentary, feature or release since his departure from the band, and he seems to be a man who fiercely values his privacy so there isn't any incentive there either. If he did it would make an interesting proposition if only to hear his take on Oasis and his time in the band, but I doubt he will bother with such a work. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 12:48:40 GMT -5
Wait... you aren't Guigsy? Do you think there is a chance that Guigsy would write a book about Oasis? He did write a book once right? The Greatest Footballer You Never Saw or something like that. No mate I'm not Paul McGuigan. He did write a book about legendary Reading F.C. and Cardiff City F.C. footballer Robin Friday with Paolo Hewitt which I have, although it's more a collection of interviews with family, friends and professional associates of the troubled football player who died aged only 38. Nonetheless as a football enthusiast it was an enjoyable read, and Robin in his own way led a very rock n' roll lifestyle regarding attitude, partying and relationships. Regarding a book I would be highly surprised given that Guigsy has declined to participate in any Oasis related documentary, feature or release since his departure from the band, and he seems to be a man who fiercely values his privacy so there isn't any incentive there either. If he did it would make an interesting proposition if only to hear his take on Oasis and his time in the band, but I doubt he will bother with such a work. It would be really nice to see Bonehead, Guigsy and Liam together again. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Nov 10, 2017 12:52:30 GMT -5
It would be really nice to see Bonehead, Guigsy and Liam together again. Well until then we'll have to make do with a shot from the band's 27th January 1994 gig for the 'Splash' club night at The Water Rats venue in Kings Cross, London   |
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Post by Headmaster on Nov 10, 2017 14:19:56 GMT -5
SOTSOG>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BHN
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Post by scyhopath on Nov 11, 2017 15:11:52 GMT -5
Andy Bell's songwriting in Oasis was alright.
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Post by joannaaquino on Nov 11, 2017 15:23:21 GMT -5
Probably, it's just a shame they could never match their success and greatness of the past 90s again. However, some of their albums are nice!
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Post by neila83 on Nov 11, 2017 19:49:51 GMT -5
At Monnow Valley for the 'Definitely Maybe' sessions with Dave Batchelor (sorry I got mixed up with The Stone Roses who were recording 'Second Coming' down the road at Rockfield and whose singer Ian Brown bumped into Noel in Monmouth town centre) Bonehead got himself very drunk and woke the rest of the band up between 4 and 5am firstly by telephoning the Roses at their studios in a variety of 'comedy' accents (Rasta, Indian takeaway) and then yelling out of a window at some rabbits that it was time for them to go to bed A deeply unimpressed Noel ordered the guitarist to go to bed again later that morning as he didn't want to see him, and was going on to the others about what he would do when Bonehead sobered up. Guigsy took it upon himself to take Noel up to Monmouth for shopping and a quick drink that turned into seven hour pub session, by which time Noel was sufficiently chilled out to simply tell Bonehead he wasn't getting on it like that again back at the studio before the band then went in and laid down the instrumental to 'Slide Away' (Source- 'Getting High- The Adventures of Oasis)The 'Be Here Now' Tour had a fair few incidents relating to arrests, being banned from Cathay Pacific and various hotels, usually with Liam at the centre of it whether his fault or simply because he was certainly the focus of the press for 1997-98 regarding Oasis. Because of this he understandably had ups and downs emotionally, with two examples given by Paolo Hewitt of Guigsy being a sounding board for Liam coming in 'Getting High:The Adventures of Oasis', the first instance being p84 in Geneva when the author bumped into Guigsy going down from his room where he was "chilling" to calm Liam down because according to the bassist Liam was "charged up" on his own in the bar and there would most likely be someone, perhaps a well meaning fan or journalist, who might push him too far. The second example came on p87 where the author observed Liam and Guigsy sat beside each other in conversation with Liam looking troubled, on the way to the hotel in Milan following a gig. According to Hewitt he heard Liam say "I don't like Liam Gallagher at the moment" to which Guigsy put a protective arm around the singer and continued talking to him. After Liam's arrest for assault in Australia with courts and press pressure, and the touring party low mood partly as a result and with other issues, it was Guigsy who pushed for a football match to be played between the band and crew versus some locals which the author noted (p168-169) went some way to restoring a unified team vibe (helped by a 10-2 winning score! ) Helluva post *doffs cap* Great post, really interesting, thanks. Fascinating fella Guigsy, I guess I can relate to him a bit being an introvert myself, I don't know how on earth I'd cope with that kind of mania being thrust upon me. Probably with drink, which would likely end a lot worse than Guigsy's drug of choice  Imagine being a fly on the wall in those conversations between guigsy and Liam. The Be Here Now tour must have been utter insanity, lord knows what that was doing to people's heads. Kind of surprised Guigsy lasted as long as he did. |
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Post by johnwesleyharding on Nov 12, 2017 9:43:38 GMT -5
oasis never fell. The songs at the end of the run were every bit as good as those at the beginning.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 12, 2017 9:44:49 GMT -5
oasis never fell. The songs at the end of the run were every bit as good as those at the beginning. That’s definitely an unpopular take. |
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Post by Aman on Nov 12, 2017 9:49:02 GMT -5
There's unpopular then there's just plain wrong lol.
The last 4 Oasis songs on an album are legit shit in anyone's book.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 9:57:10 GMT -5
oasis never fell. The songs at the end of the run were every bit as good as those at the beginning. Some of the songs at the end are some of my favorite Oasis songs (Bag It Up, The Shock of the Lightning, I’m Outta Time). |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 9:59:11 GMT -5
There's unpopular then there's just plain wrong lol. The last 4 Oasis songs on an album are legit shit in anyone's book. I really like Soldier On too. |
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Post by Aman on Nov 12, 2017 10:00:33 GMT -5
oasis never fell. The songs at the end of the run were every bit as good as those at the beginning. Some of the songs at the end are some of my favorite Oasis songs (Bag It Up, The Shock of the Lightning, I’m Outta Time). Tbf I think The Turning and Falling Down would fit in effortlessly with all their 90s stuff. |
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 12, 2017 10:02:15 GMT -5
From post-2001:
The Hindu Times Demo
Songbird
The Importance of Being Idle
The Shock of the Lightning
Falling Down
To Be Where There's Life
...I could live without the rest. Some good tunes but nothing all that memorable.
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Post by johnwesleyharding on Nov 12, 2017 10:04:46 GMT -5
There's unpopular then there's just plain wrong lol. The last 4 Oasis songs on an album are legit shit in anyone's book. I don't know which albums you mean, but if I start at SOTSOG there's Roll It Over, Soldier On, Part of the Queue, Let There Be Love, Born on a Different Cloud, The Cage and Sunday Morning Call. You not liking those songs doesn't make them shit. |
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Post by NoL&LearM on Nov 12, 2017 10:19:33 GMT -5
HC is a nice album.
Actually my mum loves it as much as WTSMG.
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