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Post by globe on Aug 26, 2016 3:48:00 GMT -5
How anyone can say Cobain was a better songwriter than Noel, when Noel wrote four album's worth of great material, and has continued to write a couple of belters every couple of years, for each album cycle, is beyond me. Alright, you might prefer Cobain's style of writing to Noel's, but with only three albums to go off - of which all three suffered for their dud tracks, in my opinion - to argue for him being more gifted in his craft than Noel, when it's impossible to know whether his talent wouldn't have just eroded with time and increasing drug use, as it has for so many (including Noel), will never fly with me. A little like the Stone Roses fans who spent years (until the band came back and disgraced themselves with their comeback single, All For One) putting Oasis down and claiming the Roses' right to be called 'Manchester's best', there just isn't the strength in depth there, in Nirvana's back catalogue, to argue for them being a better band than Oasis. Not in my book, anyway. Said this before on here, but I actually think Cobain and Noel are very similar in their songwriting style; quiet choruses and big sing-along versus; lots of melody and notes. I believe Kurt was a huge Beatles fan too when he was a kid and when he started to learn guitar; both are very similar guitar players too I think in that neither of them were hugely technically gifted but they created their own unique style. Of course the both went in completely different directions as they got older but the root of their influences is clear to see for me in their songwriting. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Aug 26, 2016 3:50:15 GMT -5
Hard to gauge some opinions but whatever... - The brickwalling sucked even when Oasis was at their best. - Hiring Zak Starkey was a good move. - Dave Sardy is picked on unfairly. - The album cover of SOTSOG is lame. - Oasis only had two decent LP covers. Definitely Maybe's and Dig Out Your Soul's. - PYMWYMI, ICSAL, Ain't Got Nothing and The Nature of Reality are all far from Oasis's worst songs and the amount talk time they get on these forums is tiresome. - The Liam vs. Noel stuff is fine. - Nirvana were better than Oasis and Kurt Cobain was a better songwriter and more interesting guitarist than Noel and a better singer than Liam. That said I'd currently listen to Definitely Maybe over any Nirvana album. - Britpop wasn't great. - DBTT's success was largely built on Heathen Chemistry. - Most Oasis songs are about fuck all and to draw any overarching meaning from them requires some imagination. Take what you want from them but personally I'd feel like I'd be kidding myself. Be Here Now is my favourite of their album covers...do you not like it? It's alright but I don't think it's great. The depicted scene doesn't hide the fact it's a photoshoot (there's nothing natural about it) whereas Definitely Maybe at least has a little ambiguity. Where Definitely Maybe is an everyday scene which has been well orchestrated, Be Here Now is 5 guys all standing too far away around a pool with a bunch of random stuff plonked around it. And tell me a limo in a pool isn't cliche? The objects are also too far away, too sparse to be as grand as they're trying to be and all too obviously rotated to face the camera i.e. From a different angle the scene would look rubbish. All in all it's just a lazy photoshoot with nothing clever or interesting about it. Hard to gauge some opinions but whatever... - The brickwalling sucked even when Oasis was at their best. - Hiring Zak Starkey was a good move. - Dave Sardy is picked on unfairly. - The album cover of SOTSOG is lame. - Oasis only had two decent LP covers. Definitely Maybe's and Dig Out Your Soul's. - PYMWYMI, ICSAL, Ain't Got Nothing and The Nature of Reality are all far from Oasis's worst songs and the amount talk time they get on these forums is tiresome. - The Liam vs. Noel stuff is fine. - Nirvana were better than Oasis and Kurt Cobain was a better songwriter and more interesting guitarist than Noel and a better singer than Liam. That said I'd currently listen to Definitely Maybe over any Nirvana album. - Britpop wasn't great. - DBTT's success was largely built on Heathen Chemistry. - Most Oasis songs are about fuck all and to draw any overarching meaning from them requires some imagination. Take what you want from them but personally I'd feel like I'd be kidding myself. What are the worst Oasis songs in your opinion? I agree with a lot what you said. Cheers and... live4ever.proboards.com/post/1287242There's still be a loads of songs between that and the aforementioned ones too (PYMWYMI...). |
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Post by sufuking perbley on Aug 26, 2016 4:24:34 GMT -5
NGHFB is approximately 41.80 times better than Beady Eye.
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Post by mimmihopps on Aug 26, 2016 4:53:55 GMT -5
Gallaghers cause a huge hole in my wallet.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Aug 26, 2016 5:27:53 GMT -5
How anyone can say Cobain was a better songwriter than Noel... Something like this...  Four albums? I think most would say two - with a whole bunch of b-sides to back them up. Not sure what these dud tracks are on Nevermind and In Utero? I think there's a lot more to be said of Kurt's craft (particularly on In Utero) than Noel's which is often accused of being formulaic (not forgetting the plagiarism of course). Whereas Kurt made the sound of the underground scene popular, Noel straight up lifted the most popular British bands of all time. Noel's said it himself, he wanted everyone to like Oasis. That broad planning comes across in his songs. Kurt didn't mind being weird. He just did what he wanted (and of course it helps when you've got some genuine talent on bass and drums chipping in too). I'm really not one for lyrics but Kurt clearly has that department tied up too. I'd wager Nirvana influenced a great deal more better bands than Oasis ever did. Well we don't know... so I guess it's just a point with little real world substance. All I know is Kurt's last song certainly didn't indicate so. 2 classics and 1 non VS 2 classics and 5 non. Hmm. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Aug 26, 2016 5:38:52 GMT -5
I couldn't care less about Gem and Andy.
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Post by NicOasis on Aug 26, 2016 5:43:45 GMT -5
Who the fuck is Andy Bell?
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Aug 26, 2016 5:56:41 GMT -5
I couldn't care less about Gem and Andy. Yeah, stick to coldplay |
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on Aug 26, 2016 6:25:08 GMT -5
I couldn't care less about Gem and Andy. Yeah, stick to coldplay Whoa, whoa, easy! How 'bout a "Good afternoon, Thanks for the freak fest last night.", babe! Thanks. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 26, 2016 7:32:14 GMT -5
I say it all the time. I'm jealous other singers from the same era still have fantastic voices and Liam's declined. I know some people try to defend Liam but let's be honest 2002-2009 Liam was not the same as 1994-2000 Liam. Sounded ok in studio but over time on the road, he could be hit or miss. I admire how these voices stayed intact: Eddie Vedder Bono Michael Stipe Damon Albarn Thom Yorke Jeff Tweedy Micheal Stipe's voice definatly wasnt as good as it was around the late 80s/early 90s on the last couple of REM albums, and Thom Yorke dosnt sound too good live either these days. Thom's voice literally hasn't changed. Just saw Radiohead at MSG 3 weeks ago. He was on fire. Just YouTube the clips from the tour. Stipe has always sounded great. |
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Post by standbymoi on Aug 26, 2016 9:58:14 GMT -5
I hate Let There Be Love and LDSMD. I was embarrassed when they came out as people I know that knew how much of an oasis fan I was, would think I thought that was good. Thankfully most people have forgotten those songs exist except us around here.
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Post by wozdareden on Aug 26, 2016 10:36:18 GMT -5
Coldplay's first album is allright. But the rest is awful, getting worse and worse.
The Verve never made a forth album. It never happened. NEVER.
Amnesiac is a chef d'œuvre.
Nirvana always bored me.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 26, 2016 10:45:32 GMT -5
Oasis 2000 to 2009 was kinda like the cast of Young Guns 2.   |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 11:01:00 GMT -5
Coldplay's first album is allright. But the rest is awful, getting worse and worse. The Verve never made a forth album. It never happened. NEVER. Amnesiac is a chef d'œuvre. Nirvana always bored me. Could have written it, except the line about Amnesiac (still a good album imo, even though I'm not Radiohead biggest fan). Nirvana bores the tits off me, aswell. Doesn't help that from where I am (France) it's the only rock band people seem to fuckin know. I've always disliked Coldplay, and they got worse album after album. I can't choose a favourite album of mine from 2008. Wasn't a great year in my book. |
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Post by ethanwaoasis on Aug 26, 2016 15:43:00 GMT -5
My unpopular opinions:
- Be Here Now is the best Oasis album.
- Liam is what makes Oasis, not Noel. Fuck Noel.
- Coldplay's Viva La Vida is fantastic album.
- Oasis were not very good post-Be Here Now
- I don't want Oasis to get back together. Fuck 50+ year-olds singing about shit. They were badasses young, leave it that way.
- I wish Oasis would have kept doing drugs. They were better then.
- I HATE any Oasis logo other than the original.
- I'm tired of Noel-sung demos and want Liam demos or outtakes.
- If you became a fan because of SOTSOG or newer albums, fuck off.
Just my two cents.
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Post by matt on Aug 26, 2016 15:58:29 GMT -5
I couldn't care less about Gem and Andy. Said every sane person who prefers Coldplay over Gem & Andy's 'fat dad dancing songs'.... |
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Post by braddersthemod on Aug 26, 2016 16:21:38 GMT -5
The Verve are a monument to crap music.
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Post by carlober on Aug 26, 2016 16:50:00 GMT -5
The Verve are a monument to crap music. Said the man who ranks A Quick Peep among his favorite tracks from HC and who describes Listen Up as "meh"  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 16:57:48 GMT -5
The Verve were a great band. Despite what some fans might say, I still think Urban Hymns was their best album, by far.
Bittersweet Symphony (which was a massive hit, and is still one of the best known songs from the 90's), The Drugs Don't Work, Sonnet, Lucky Man, Space and Time, One Day, etc, on the same album ? Brilliant.
I really like their first two albums, but as a collection of songs, I feel like Urban Hymns is really two steps above. One of the best albums of the 90's.
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Post by Headmaster on Aug 26, 2016 17:31:49 GMT -5
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Post by asimarx on Aug 26, 2016 17:34:11 GMT -5
The Verve are a monument to crap music. This is like saying Hitler had a neat haircut. |
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Post by matt on Aug 26, 2016 17:46:08 GMT -5
I say it all the time. I'm jealous other singers from the same era still have fantastic voices and Liam's declined. I know some people try to defend Liam but let's be honest 2002-2009 Liam was not the same as 1994-2000 Liam. Sounded ok in studio but over time on the road, he could be hit or miss. I admire how these voices stayed intact: Eddie Vedder Bono Michael Stipe Damon Albarn Thom Yorke Jeff Tweedy Micheal Stipe's voice definatly wasnt as good as it was around the late 80s/early 90s on the last couple of REM albums, and Thom Yorke dosnt sound too good live either these days. Really? For latter era REM, his voice is superb here. Of all the singers who maintained their brilliance throughout a career, Stipe is the best. |
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Post by Regi on Aug 26, 2016 18:02:51 GMT -5
Bonehead WAS Oasis.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 26, 2016 18:41:12 GMT -5
I couldn't care less about Gem  Get the fuck out of my forum and go and be a football hooligan, right? --- Flatulence Panic |
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