After 2002, Oasis really should have limited the number of shows. Liam ALWAYS sounds best at the start of tours. He's usually a train wreck near the end. My last Beady Eye show in December 2011 made me feel embarrassed for him. Sad really after two dynamite shows earlier in the year.

Oasis should have done like 6-8 UK shows, a handful of European dates a month later and 4-5 USA dates.

this is what I mean about Noel slagging off Liams vocals in todays world, you look at the length of the tours they embarked on on HC and DBTT and it was totally mad, cooked Liams voice forever when really they couldve played it smarter, they were at that stage they couldve just done the big shows....but I guess money is just too damn good.

I knew Liams voice was probably gone for good when hes doing shows after long breaks like poole 2004 or starting out tours like 2002 and not sounding like his usually rested self like jools holland 2000, could tell the damage was setting in. His voice ALWAYS recovered to great levels at the start of the tours, but it reached at point where it just never came back like it did, basically starting each tour post 2002 more and more worn out.

With his singing style it does.

Up until Heathen Chemistry, I considered myself a huge Oasis fan. Everything changed with that album. Suddenly Oasis became this uncool thing I was almost embarrassed to admit I liked. Mind you, age and timing might have played a big role as I was 13-14 at the time and getting into all sorts of forward-looking music (be it Zappa, Stravinsky, Coltrane or Aphex Twin). This album was the absolute opposite of that. It signified Oasis retreating into this bland parody of their former selves after the SOTSOG backlash.

I truly believe it is the worst Oasis album, and not only that, the worst in my record collection (which is fairly large, by the way). The reason? Simply put, Noel's songs are shit. The last two albums have some good/decent tracks from Noel, but there is no salvation for HC. No, I don't really like any of the singles, and I think SCYHO is the worst offender by being the most cliched, sirupy and bland track Noel ever wrote. It sounds like a parody of an Oasis tribute band. I understand people like it a lot on this forum, but I just don't get it. The one track I like (and actually, love) from this album cycle is Idler's Dream.

In hindsight, I wish Oasis would have called it quits after SOTSOG. Noel could have emerged with a more low-key, less Oasis-sounding kind of album between 2004 and 2008, when he had already improved his singing abilities, and Liam, Gem and Andy could have formed Beady Eye. It probably would have been a commercial suicide, and Noel wouldn't have started his solo career as successfully as he did with HFB, but I'm sure we would have got better music out of this arrangement.

Ive always wondered if Liam deliberately effects his voice to sound the way it does, and if he can actually sing 'properly'. I love the way it sounds, but id like to hear Liam sing with a natural tone.

but it was Liams technique that wasnt sustainable, the more he sang the more it got worn down, his voice pretty much always sounded rougher towards the end of the tours even in the 90s, it just wasnt so drastic.

if Liam wanted to look after his voice it wouldve meant singing differently but as it was, it was wear and tear and therefore longer tours didnt allow it to recover.

it wasnt THE reason it went down hill but when it became apparent that his voice was going down hill, they only accelerated that by long tours. If they toured significantly less in the 2000s, he most likely wouldve lasted longer. 

think its quite obvious that Liams vocal technique doesnt gel well with long tours. 

Christ, it's cheery in here, isn't it?

Heathen Chemistry is their worst album because of some of the filler album tracks. The singles were great. Simples.

It feels like im not even on an Oasis forum somtimes

*wink*

I think it's good to be realistic as a fan and not to worship someone to the idiotic levels some people do. It's good to be able to say "you know what? This person did this and that and it was great, but there's also this which wasn't that great, because this and that".

Makes for interesting discussions. Much more interesting than "ohmygod, you need go see it this way and you need to like EVERYTHING someone does and agree with EVERYTHING, otherwise you're not a real fan".

The case for Heathen Chemistry..... goes straight in the bin along with the CD inside it.