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Post by elephantstone93 on Jun 30, 2019 10:08:32 GMT -5
Could have gone in another thread.
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Post by jeffrey on Jun 30, 2019 10:18:31 GMT -5
It has very little to do with the quality of Taylor Swift’s music. The music industry dictates what the masses hear and the masses just go along with it. Liam Gallagher isn’t going to dominate popular culture regardless of what quality of song he releases due to his age and genre. He has, however, been able to carve out a sizable niche of rock and roll fans and garnered some new, albeit marginal attention from the youth who obviously don’t want the current top 40 bullshit force-fed to them like the majority of music/entertainment consumers.
And in my opinion, the three songs from WMWN so far are ace.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jun 30, 2019 10:26:04 GMT -5
Beady is bang on the money here i'm afraid to say. Given that the songwriters are Oscar and Grammy winners how would you justify backing up Beady’s opinion that they are bang average? |
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Post by morning_rain on Jun 30, 2019 10:29:54 GMT -5
Go take a nap
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Post by mimmihopps on Jun 30, 2019 11:28:38 GMT -5
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Post by andymorris on Jul 1, 2019 2:28:55 GMT -5
Just heard again Scorpio Rising, it's been a long time. Would have been cool if Liam Worked with those guys instead. Huge tune.
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Post by The Escapist on Jul 1, 2019 6:02:49 GMT -5
It has very little to do with the quality of Taylor Swift’s music. The music industry dictates what the masses hear and the masses just go along with it. Liam Gallagher isn’t going to dominate popular culture regardless of what quality of song he releases due to his age and genre. He has, however, been able to carve out a sizable niche of rock and roll fans and garnered some new, albeit marginal attention from the youth who obviously don’t want the current top 40 bullshit force-fed to them like the majority of music/entertainment consumers. And in my opinion, the three songs from WMWN so far are ace. People are still acting as if Liam's professionally song-written album is an alternative to the music industry? Mm'kay. I'm pretty sure Liam is also Top 40 in the UK, and it's not as if there aren't plenty of pop artists releasing music every bit as good as him. I guess I'm just part of the masses being force-fed bullshit, though. Anyway, Fantano once again puts Liam in the "best" songs of the week section, that's 2/2 for the album so far: |
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Post by andylith on Jul 1, 2019 6:22:12 GMT -5
Just heard again Scorpio Rising, it's been a long time. Would have been cool if Liam Worked with those guys instead. Huge tune. Great song, remember this being touted as a Xmas No1 contender. |
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Post by jeffrey on Jul 1, 2019 8:44:43 GMT -5
It has very little to do with the quality of Taylor Swift’s music. The music industry dictates what the masses hear and the masses just go along with it. Liam Gallagher isn’t going to dominate popular culture regardless of what quality of song he releases due to his age and genre. He has, however, been able to carve out a sizable niche of rock and roll fans and garnered some new, albeit marginal attention from the youth who obviously don’t want the current top 40 bullshit force-fed to them like the majority of music/entertainment consumers. And in my opinion, the three songs from WMWN so far are ace. People are still acting as if Liam's professionally song-written album is an alternative to the music industry? Mm'kay. I'm pretty sure Liam is also Top 40 in the UK, and it's not as if there aren't plenty of pop artists releasing music every bit as good as him. I guess I'm part of the masses just being force-fed music, though, maybe one day I'll achieve enlightenment and stop thinking that Billie Eilish and her brother are making fantastic music that's actually, say it quietly, leagues ahead of both the Gallagher's 2019 music. Anyway, Fantano once again puts Liam in the "best" songs of the week section, that's 2/2 for the album so far: Liam is top 40 in the UK; however, the original post I responded to was referring to the US market. Warner supply Liam with professional songwriters because they know his niche will generate some decent money for them in the UK, not in the US. Regarding you being horribly defensive anytime the current state of music is mentioned, wake up. If you aren’t aware of the way the corporate machine (entertainment in general) dictates what the masses see/hear you should do some research. I read your posts; you’re an intelligent person with an innate ability to convey your thoughts because you write well. I’ve also seen you mention popular acts on here that you think are great, and that’s your prerogative. The quality of the most popular things in entertainment is reduced from what it used to be. I.e.: network/regular tv used to have great programmes/shows, but have mostly shifted to reality nonsense/competition shows (not to say there’s not an occasional great programme on network tv). Now the vast majority of excellent tv must to be sought out via other services. The music scenes almost mirrors this. |
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Post by The Escapist on Jul 1, 2019 8:54:38 GMT -5
I read your posts; you’re an intelligent person with an innate ability to convey your thoughts because you write well. I’ve also seen you mention popular acts on here that you think are great, and that’s your prerogative. Just know that the quality of the most popular things in entertainment is reduced from what it used to be. I.e.: network/regular tv used to have great programmes/shows, but have mostly shifted to reality nonsense/competition shows (not to say there’s not an occasional great programme on network tv). Now the vast majority of excellent tv must to be sought out via other services. Very little difference in the music scene. Of course, most famous entertainment is produced by big businesses and follows current trends. That's true now, it was true in the 90's, it will be true for the forseeable future. Pop music is and always will be a set of fantastic artists leading the way, and legions of mediocre followers behind them. But to claim that pop music is objectively worse than it used to be, diagnose this as an effect of the practices of the big industry, and then champion Liam's solo career as an alternative is utterly nonsensical. Of course the popular artists of today are held up by big funding (like Liam), but it's also because they make catchy pop music that people enjoy. Personally, I think a lot of it is forgettable - peep me criticising Lewis Capaldi, Nicki Minaj, and Tay-Tay in other threads - but I recognise that that's a personal preference in general, and not a sign of some Aldous Huxley nightmare where people are being forced to enjoy objectively terrible music. And, like I said, there are a plethora of popular artists who dominate the charts who's works I'll take over The River or the Black Star Dancing EP, and there are those like Kendrick Lamar and Kanye West who's best work stands alongside classics like Definitely Maybe or Dark Side of the Moon. |
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Post by jeffrey on Jul 1, 2019 9:05:21 GMT -5
I read your posts; you’re an intelligent person with an innate ability to convey your thoughts because you write well. I’ve also seen you mention popular acts on here that you think are great, and that’s your prerogative. Just know that the quality of the most popular things in entertainment is reduced from what it used to be. I.e.: network/regular tv used to have great programmes/shows, but have mostly shifted to reality nonsense/competition shows (not to say there’s not an occasional great programme on network tv). Now the vast majority of excellent tv must to be sought out via other services. Very little difference in the music scene. Of course, most famous entertainment is produced by big businesses and follows current trends. That's true now, it was true in the 90's, it will be true for the forseeable future. Pop music is and always will be a set of fantastic artists leading the way, and legions of mediocre followers behind them. But to claim that pop music is objectively worse than it used to be, diagnose this as an effect of the practices of the big industry, and then champion Liam's solo career as an alternative is utterly nonsensical. Of course the popular artists of today are held up by big funding (like Liam), but it's also because they make catchy pop music that people enjoy. Personally, I think a lot of it is forgettable, but I recognise that that's a personal preference and not a sign of some Aldous Huxley nightmare where people are being forced to enjoy objectively terrible music. And, like I said, there are a plethora of popular artists who dominate the charts who's works I'll take over things like The River and the Black Star Dancing EP. Well, I guess we’re at an impasse because I do believe that the current quality of what is hugely popular (on the whole) is drastically reduced from previous generations. |
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Post by The Escapist on Jul 1, 2019 9:12:08 GMT -5
And, like I said, there are a plethora of popular artists who dominate the charts who's works I'll take over things like The River and the Black Star Dancing EP. Well, I guess we’re at an impasse because I do believe that the current quality of what is hugely popular (on the whole) is drastically reduced from previous generations. Which is fine. I have no problem with people having their own tastes, I only pipe up when they act as if it's an objective fact that my generation's music is lesser than theirs. You're right that a lot of what's popular is allowed to be so because of business, but that is far from a new phenomenon, and I can assure you that the reason artists like Kendrick Lamar, Lana Del Rey, Frank Ocean, or Tyler the Creator are enduringly massive has more to do with their unique creative visions than any "force-feeding". |
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Post by jeffrey on Jul 1, 2019 9:46:47 GMT -5
Well, I guess we’re at an impasse because I do believe that the current quality of what is hugely popular (on the whole) is drastically reduced from previous generations. Which is fine. I have no problem with people having their own tastes, I only pipe up when they act as if it's an objective fact that my generation's music is lesser than theirs. You're right that a lot of what's popular is allowed to be so because of business, but that is far from a new phenomenon, and I can assure you that the reason artists like Kendrick Lamar, Lana Del Rey, Frank Ocean, or Tyler the Creator are enduringly massive has more to do with their unique creative visions than any "force-feeding". There are undoubtedly talented artists that are popular. Never said anything to the contrary, just that current popular music scene doesn’t have place for a 46 year old rock n roll star because of what the industry pushes to to masses. He and his songwriters are writing a style of music that won’t allow him to be huge in global pop culture. I genuinely appreciate the discourse. Enjoyable to have a constructive discussion. |
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Post by lg on Jul 3, 2019 3:39:54 GMT -5
I don't feel the urge of an oasis reunion anymore, liam is doing what people wants (pop/rock songs) and till now the songs of both solo album sounds very good and noel is doing something different from what he has always done and that's fine
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Post by elephantstone93 on Jul 11, 2019 12:51:15 GMT -5
I sometimes think the band gets too much stick then I watch some live Oasis and remember his band are terrible.
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Post by rickypaglais on Jul 11, 2019 12:58:12 GMT -5
What's amazing is how great a live band they were as both Oasis Mk. I and Oasis Mk. II. Obviously different, but both fantastic
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Post by fartpanic on Jul 11, 2019 19:58:08 GMT -5
I sometimes think the band gets too much stick then I watch some live Oasis and remember his band are terrible. I know they get alot of shit and rightly so. But i thought Columbia at Glastonbury was mega from everyone. |
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Post by DCUnited on Jul 11, 2019 20:38:53 GMT -5
I sometimes think the band gets too much stick then I watch some live Oasis and remember his band are terrible. I know they get alot of shit and rightly so. But i thought Columbia at Glastonbury was mega from everyone. They do some songs really well like DYKWIM or the Be Here Now with the horns were better than any Oasis version. But overall it just isnt polished enough |
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Post by lg on Jul 12, 2019 2:17:28 GMT -5
Liam needs to add some new cover in his setlist
He has always done awesome covers (my generation, natural mystique, across the universe ecc)
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 13, 2019 8:29:23 GMT -5
Watching the full Liam Glasto performance now.
If LG earned a B+ overall in 2017, his 2019 Glasto performance is a stunning A. Knocked it out of the park - best I’ve heard Liam sound in well over a decade. Everything about this performance is too.
His backing band are absolutely shocking though, like fuck me.
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Post by DCUnited on Jul 13, 2019 9:11:51 GMT -5
Watching the full Liam Glasto performance now. If LG earned a B+ overall in 2017, his 2019 Glasto performance is a stunning A. Knocked it out of the park - best I’ve heard Liam sound in well over a decade. Everything about this performance is too. His backing band are absolutely shocking though, like fuck me. You thought 2019 was better than 2017??? |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 13, 2019 9:22:23 GMT -5
Watching the full Liam Glasto performance now. If LG earned a B+ overall in 2017, his 2019 Glasto performance is a stunning A. Knocked it out of the park - best I’ve heard Liam sound in well over a decade. Everything about this performance is too. His backing band are absolutely shocking though, like fuck me. You thought 2019 was better than 2017??? Would have to watch 2017 back again, but I was comparing 2017 in general to his Glasto 2019. |
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Post by lg on Jul 13, 2019 10:03:29 GMT -5
Liam's voice was great in 2017 but for some reason i prefer his current voice
More powerful e raspy
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Post by freddy838 on Jul 13, 2019 11:01:22 GMT -5
I sometimes think the band gets too much stick then I watch some live Oasis and remember his band are terrible. I know they get alot of shit and rightly so. But i thought Columbia at Glastonbury was mega from everyone. That's cos Jay only has to play 3 chords, even he can't fuck that up. He'd probably be fine just playing the Bonehead role. |
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Post by lg on Jul 15, 2019 4:24:19 GMT -5
shockwave live sounds soooooooo good
I don't think that any song from AYW ever sounded so good live
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