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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on May 24, 2016 14:21:54 GMT -5
Can't we just agree Oasis are better? No.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 14:23:32 GMT -5
Can't we just agree Oasis are better? Lennon-McCartney didn't wrote Live Forever IIRC, so Oasis are better.
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 24, 2016 14:23:58 GMT -5
Oasis wasn't even better than Radiohead during the same time period. Sure Oasis was bigger at one point but that moment passed in 1997-1998.
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Post by The Escapist on May 24, 2016 15:40:04 GMT -5
Oasis wasn't even better than Radiohead during the same time period. Sure Oasis was bigger at one point but that moment passed in 1997-1998. It's close, but I'll give Oasis the edge in the 90's, despite Radiohead have the best album of the two in OK Computer. Pablo Honey really lets Radiohead down in that time period, whereas all three Oasis albums and their b-sides are pretty much stunning. The 00's are...rather less competitive. In fact, you could argue that Radiohead's worst album in that time (Hail to the Thief) is better than Oasis' best (SOTSOG).
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 24, 2016 15:51:30 GMT -5
Oasis wasn't even better than Radiohead during the same time period. Sure Oasis was bigger at one point but that moment passed in 1997-1998. It's close, but I'll give Oasis the edge in the 90's, despite Radiohead have the best album of the two in OK Computer. Pablo Honey really lets Radiohead down in that time period, whereas all three Oasis albums and their b-sides are pretty much stunning. The 00's are...rather less competitive. In fact, you could argue that Radiohead's worst album in that time (Hail to the Thief) is better than Oasis' best (SOTSOG). You could argue? That's a fact brother. Hail To The Thief IS better than SOTSOG. Not even close sadly.
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Post by Binary Sunset on May 24, 2016 15:58:06 GMT -5
I like Oasis much more than I like the Beatles. I can look at their collections of music and say this. To me, influence doesn't matter at all. I can respect it, but it doesn't influence my taste or enjoyment of music. This is my opinion, and people shouldn't be called idiots for having them. Something being better is an opinion.
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Post by gemarcher1 on May 24, 2016 17:02:53 GMT -5
Is this a forum about depressing band? fuck radiohead. 90's are OASIS. End of history.
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Post by gemarcher1 on May 24, 2016 17:06:03 GMT -5
Can't we just agree Oasis are better? No. I'm telling you: YES. I'll put 10 bands better than the fuckin beatles. Pink Floyd Led Zeppelin Oasis The Clash Sex Pistols Nirvana The Who Pearl Jam Joy Division The Wings
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 17:33:50 GMT -5
Can't we just agree Oasis are better? Lennon-McCartney didn't wrote Live Forever IIRC, so Oasis are better. It's maybe an unpopular opinion but I do agree that Live Forever is a better song than anything John, Paul and George (and Ringo) have ever written. Simply because I think Live Forever is the best song ever written, by anyone. However, having said that, it doesn't change the fact The Beatles, for me, has the biggest collection of great songs. All of that in 8 years ! Even an album like Help!, which is rarely cited among the best for the hardcore fans, has 2 (maybe even 3) absolute classics of Pop music with Yesterday and Help! (and Ticket To Ride).
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 18:20:15 GMT -5
Lennon-McCartney didn't wrote Live Forever IIRC, so Oasis are better. It's maybe an unpopular opinion but I do agree that Live Forever is a better song than anything John, Paul and George (and Ringo) have ever written. Simply because I think Live Forever is the best song ever written, by anyone. However, having said that, it doesn't change the fact The Beatles, for me, has the biggest collection of great songs. All of that in 8 years ! Even an album like Help!, which is rarely cited among the best for the hardcore fans, has 2 (maybe even 3) absolute classics of Pop music with Yesterday and Help! (and Ticket To Ride).
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Post by guigsysEstring on May 24, 2016 22:25:16 GMT -5
Is this a forum about depressing band? fuck radiohead. 90's are OASIS. End of history.Primal Scream The Prodigy Spiritualized Supergrass Massive Attack Portishead Blur Pulp The Verve Teenage Fanclub Chemical Brothers Charlatans Stone Roses (arguable 1989/1990 but the TOTP breakthrough with The Mondays was 1990) Happy Mondays Underworld Manic Street Preachers U2 That's a quick list of British/Irish based guitar bands from the 1990's with a few dance acts thrown in- Now shall I do a similar one for the USA with Hip Hop and R n' B artists also thrown in or have I made my point? Oasis were a massive part of the British 1990's from 1994 to 1998 no question, but from someone working in the business the effect wasn't the same elsewhere, nor did it cover the entire decade where countless other artists made their mark with great songs and albums. Also history doesn't end until there is no one left to record it logically, so at the risk of being a pedantic twat for the 1,054,023 time on this forum ( sound about right Lennon2217 ? ) that isn't actually an argument at all. I don't know if you were there for those halcyon nineties days but whilst they were a fantastic time to be young and involved, that was only in part due to some admittedly excellent Oasis records. The rest was made up like all defining eras of a mixture of art, films, music, politics and social attitudes that were unique to the time, so to say one thing was the 1990's is to be very disingenuous IMO
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 24, 2016 22:40:32 GMT -5
Jonny Greenwood absolutely shreds it on The Bends.
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Post by glider on May 24, 2016 22:47:50 GMT -5
Radiohead has Jonny Greenwood and that single-handedly puts them above Oasis.
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Post by MacaRonic on May 25, 2016 5:42:29 GMT -5
Radiohead are a great band and I listen to them every now and then. OK Computer is a brilliant album but it's not as good as DM or MG, both those albums had a bigger impact than all of the Radiohead LPs put together. Oasis changed the musical landscape. Oasis spoke to the masses, ordinary people who love a good pop song. Radiohead spoke to and helped out the suicidal critics who wanted to become musicians but weren't good enough. Simple.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on May 25, 2016 10:21:45 GMT -5
Radiohead has Jonny Greenwood and that single-handedly puts them above Oasis. Wonderful musician, but I can't lie, Greenwood's face does freak me out a bit. No one's jaw should be that square... And then you factor in those enormous gnashers... " He don't look 'uman!" as Peter Kay might say.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 10:46:32 GMT -5
Is this a forum about depressing band? fuck radiohead. 90's are OASIS. End of history. +1
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on May 25, 2016 10:48:29 GMT -5
Radiohead has Jonny Greenwood and that single-handedly puts them above Oasis. Wonderful musician, but I can't lie, Greenwood's face does freak me out a bit. No one's jaw should be that square... And then you factor in those enormous gnashers... " He don't look 'uman!" as Peter Kay might say. Hehe, can't say those weren't my thoughts as well.
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Post by guigsysEstring on May 25, 2016 10:49:19 GMT -5
Radiohead has Jonny Greenwood and that single-handedly puts them above Oasis. Wonderful musician, but I can't lie, Greenwood's face does freak me out a bit. No one's jaw should be that square... And then you factor in those enormous gnashers... " He don't look 'uman!" as Peter Kay might say. Maybe he skipped a Pixies or Sonic Youth gig at University and something like this happened?
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Post by The Escapist on May 25, 2016 11:02:36 GMT -5
Radiohead are a great band and I listen to them every now and then. OK Computer is a brilliant album but it's not as good as DM or MG, both those albums had a bigger impact than all of the Radiohead LPs put together. Oasis changed the musical landscape. Oasis spoke to the masses, ordinary people who love a good pop song. Radiohead spoke to and helped out the suicidal critics who wanted to become musicians but weren't good enough. Simple. OK Computer maybe didn't have as much of a cultural impact as DM/MG but musically it's influence far exceeds anything Oasis ever did. The ambition of the album, both musically and lyrically, changed the perception of what a global rock band could be in the late 90's - precisely by moving away from the blaring anthemism Oasis mastered. And the thing is, while Oasis spoke to millions who loved a good pop song during britpop, their impact ended when that did - whereas Radiohead got more influential and creative exactly when they stopped taking the masses into consideration. In 2016, the memory of a great Oasis album is a distant one, but Radiohead are still here, still relevant, and still making music in creative ways. So I don't think it's all that simple which band is best. In the 90's, Oasis shouted to millions of people and told them they could be every bit as epic as they wanted to, as long as they wanted it hard enough. Radiohead whispered to millions that that's just a slogan, and eventually you're going to end up in the same soul-dead No-Surprises existence as everyone else. Maybe which band you prefer just depends on which message resonates with your experiences the most? (Also, Radiohead do actually help suicidal people a lot, it's one of the most beautiful things about their music).
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on May 25, 2016 11:07:23 GMT -5
Wonderful musician, but I can't lie, Greenwood's face does freak me out a bit. No one's jaw should be that square... And then you factor in those enormous gnashers... " He don't look 'uman!" as Peter Kay might say. Maybe he skipped a Pixies or Sonic Youth gig at University and something like this happened? Bloody hell! That's real? The poor bastard... Face like Buzz Lightyear...
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Post by Doc Lobster on May 25, 2016 11:46:47 GMT -5
In terms of influence and importance, I would put Aphex Twin above any of the 90s acts that have been mentioned in this thread. I know, fight me.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 11:53:32 GMT -5
I love that The Beatles got replaced by Radiohead somehow in this thread. Congrats to everyone who participated in hijacking the thread... you all get 10,000 fantasy points.
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Post by The Escapist on May 25, 2016 12:18:06 GMT -5
In terms of influence and importance, I would put Aphex Twin above any of the 90s acts that have been mentioned in this thread. I know, fight me. I agree He totally pioneered his field in that time (well - with help from Autechre, BOC, and a couple of other WR favourites), whereas everyone else merely added to theirs. In fact, you could well make an argument for him being the most influential musician in their field over the last 25 years, although I admit I have limited knowledge of a lot of some fields of music's recent history.
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 25, 2016 12:33:51 GMT -5
Radiohead are a great band and I listen to them every now and then. OK Computer is a brilliant album but it's not as good as DM or MG, both those albums had a bigger impact than all of the Radiohead LPs put together. Oasis changed the musical landscape. Oasis spoke to the masses, ordinary people who love a good pop song. Radiohead spoke to and helped out the suicidal critics who wanted to become musicians but weren't good enough. Simple. Did they really though? Once the calendar flipped to 1998 it was pretty much over. Bad reviews and declining album sales were in store for the mighty Oasis after that point. On both sides of the pond the musical landscape changed to pop stars, boy bands, rap-metal and hip hop. Oasis and their brand of guitar music went into hibernation. Even the garage rock revival had little to do with them in 2001-2003. Bands like The Strokes, White Stripes, Franz Ferdinand, Interpol, etc led the charge. Even Noel said he was surprised about the apparent lack of bands that rose up because of them. Outside Kasabian and the Arctic Monkeys, what other big current bands say Oasis was their driving force? Tons say Radiohead. A band still active, relevant and core members intact.
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Post by matt on May 25, 2016 14:10:09 GMT -5
Radiohead v Oasis? Which one rivals The Beatles for legacy and influence?
Neither.
Now, The Smiths on the other hand.....
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