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Post by themanwithnoname on Apr 4, 2016 4:32:05 GMT -5
I quite liked his first solo album tbh. That title song, Life thru a lens, although very similar in sentiment to Pulp's Common People, has some pretty good lyrics... Now, if you think that that was the first solo album from an ex boy band member nowadays... guess it would be considered 'outrageous, radical, subversive'.... back then, it was just 'Robbie Williams' first solo record'... God, I miss the 90s, great times!! Maybe Guy Chambers can write Liam some tunes! I'm not even kidding.  Liam really should swallow his pride and agree to sing songs written by genuinely good songwriters. He hasn't had something truly amazing to sing for the best part of 20 years. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 4, 2016 5:08:32 GMT -5
Maybe Guy Chambers can write Liam some tunes! I'm not even kidding. Liam really should swallow his pride and agree to sing songs written by genuinely good songwriters. He hasn't had something truly amazing to sing for the best part of 20 years. Sing! (If the song is worth singing) |
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Post by mossy on Apr 4, 2016 7:02:07 GMT -5
I think it is amazing that Robbie probably outsold Oasis globally between 2000 and 2009. I'd be interested to see some real data. The last few singles of his I heard were absolutely abysmal. |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Apr 4, 2016 8:09:26 GMT -5
I like that description, because it shows how childish it all apparently was. >But the romance didn't last long, souring when big brother Noel put an end to their antics. Like a jealous child who wanted his toy back, Noel declared that Williams was a just a "fat dancer from Take That" – from which point Liam, it appeared, was not allowed to come out to play.< If anything, knowing Noel hates someone would make Liam like them even more. They both hate him because he's a fucking twat. |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Apr 4, 2016 8:11:46 GMT -5
I'm sire on this forum of someone slags of the Gallaghers then they slate instantly more likeable.
Crazy times
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Post by guigsysEstring on Apr 4, 2016 10:21:23 GMT -5
I think it is amazing that Robbie probably outsold Oasis globally between 2000 and 2009. I'd be interested to see some real data. The last few singles of his I heard were absolutely abysmal. At the time of his last studio album Billboard Magazine reported the Official Charts Company as giving UK Sales for Robbie's catalogue as 18,600,000 in the UK that were part of an overall 55,000,000 worldwide, so 36,400,000 sales outside the UK. Bear in mind this is based on at the time eight studio albums, at least two compilations and a live album at that point. Interestingly Robbie has never scored a big selling album in the USA, a territory where his highest charting album was 2002's 'Escapology', which charted at 43 on the Billboard 200 despite EMI by contractual obligation heavily promoting the record, including getting Robbie slots on "Good Morning America", "Last Call With Carson Daly" and "The Tonight Show". According to the RIAA his biggest selling album to date is a compilation of his first two studio albums released in 1999 entitled "The Ego Has Landed", which was certified Gold (500,000 copies) in the USA. Oasis by contrast using Warner Music's US back catalogue info and order sheet for retailers for the DOYS era put the 2000 onward sales at a combined total of 12,000,000 excluding the STC compilation and DOYS itself. This was for three studio albums and a live album, with the BPI combined certifications for the UK being 2,700,000 so 9,300,000 copies were sold worldwide, which based on certifications meant 5,000,000 or so of those were DBTT. Dig Out Your Soul is only certified in the UK, USA and Japan for 600,000, 116,000 and 100,000 copies respectively, but this does not include sales in other territories that were not certified or additional sales in the aforementioned countries that did not break the next certification barrier. Stop The Clocks was certified five times platinum in the UK (1,500,000) but not certified elsewhere so I haven't been able to obtain accurate figures thus far. Based on the above between 2000 and 2009 Robbie outsold Oasis outside the UK by circa 24,000,000 albums, however during this period he released six studio albums, a live album and a compilation. By dividing their respective record sales the average sales worked out as: Oasis- 2,600,000 per album outside the UK, or 2,000,000 without the DBTT spike in sales. Robbie Williams- 3,300,000 per album outside the UK, although he has never had substantial North American success. Hope these figures make some sense, I finish moving house tomorrow so can post more or data,etc. once the office is back up and running |
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Post by Headmaster on Apr 4, 2016 16:09:38 GMT -5
This video is a bit odd to see, Noel was at the height of his fame, and there was Robbie, standing there, a bit sad, waiting for a opportunity, expecting Noel to write some songs for him, at this point he was just the fat dancer from Take That.
But a couple of years after this, he found the right partner with Guy Chambers and went on to be a very sucessful artist, I think that he even outsold Take That and had some hits even to fill a Best of album.
His best years coincided with Oasis lower confused years, when he broke that Oasis Knebworth record it was kind of bitter to see, but he broke it in the same way as Adele broke that BHN record, it was a matter of context. On Escapology era everything was settled for him to finally brake America, of course he failed and went downhill ever since.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Apr 4, 2016 18:07:39 GMT -5
This video is a bit odd to see, Noel was at the height of his fame, and there was Robbie, standing there, a bit sad, waiting for a opportunity, expecting Noel to write some songs for him, at this point he was just the fat dancer from Take That. But a couple of years after this, he found the right partner with Guy Chambers and went on to be a very sucessful artist, I think that he even outsold Take That and had some hits even to fill a Best of album. His best years coincided with Oasis lower confused years, when he broke that Oasis Knebworth record it was kind of bitter to see, but he broke it in the same way as Adele broke that BHN record, it was a matter of context. On Escapology era everything was settled for him to finally brake America, of course he failed and went downhill ever since. Guy Chambers' former 90s bandmates Paul and Jeremy Stacey meanwhile found employment via Noel...The Lemon Trees had songs but not the front to pull it off but not the frontman IMO Guy Chambers website on The Lemon Trees whilst Robbie had potential but no songs so it was a good combination for both parties. |
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Post by mossy on Apr 9, 2016 4:04:00 GMT -5
I'd be interested to see some real data. The last few singles of his I heard were absolutely abysmal. At the time of his last studio album Billboard Magazine reported the Official Charts Company as giving UK Sales for Robbie's catalogue as 18,600,000 in the UK that were part of an overall 55,000,000 worldwide, so 36,400,000 sales outside the UK. Bear in mind this is based on at the time eight studio albums, at least two compilations and a live album at that point. Interestingly Robbie has never scored a big selling album in the USA, a territory where his highest charting album was 2002's 'Escapology', which charted at 43 on the Billboard 200 despite EMI by contractual obligation heavily promoting the record, including getting Robbie slots on "Good Morning America", "Last Call With Carson Daly" and "The Tonight Show". According to the RIAA his biggest selling album to date is a compilation of his first two studio albums released in 1999 entitled "The Ego Has Landed", which was certified Gold (500,000 copies) in the USA. Oasis by contrast using Warner Music's US back catalogue info and order sheet for retailers for the DOYS era put the 2000 onward sales at a combined total of 12,000,000 excluding the STC compilation and DOYS itself. This was for three studio albums and a live album, with the BPI combined certifications for the UK being 2,700,000 so 9,300,000 copies were sold worldwide, which based on certifications meant 5,000,000 or so of those were DBTT. Dig Out Your Soul is only certified in the UK, USA and Japan for 600,000, 116,000 and 100,000 copies respectively, but this does not include sales in other territories that were not certified or additional sales in the aforementioned countries that did not break the next certification barrier. Stop The Clocks was certified five times platinum in the UK (1,500,000) but not certified elsewhere so I haven't been able to obtain accurate figures thus far. Based on the above between 2000 and 2009 Robbie outsold Oasis outside the UK by circa 24,000,000 albums, however during this period he released six studio albums, a live album and a compilation. By dividing their respective record sales the average sales worked out as: Oasis- 2,600,000 per album outside the UK, or 2,000,000 without the DBTT spike in sales. Robbie Williams- 3,300,000 per album outside the UK, although he has never had substantial North American success. Hope these figures make some sense, I finish moving house tomorrow so can post more or data,etc. once the office is back up and running FFS Guigsy you can't expect me to read all that text! Make a graph or something ;-) I'm surprised his latter day albums sold so much, I thought he had some that tanked - but then I'm not exactly paying attention. Hope the house move went OK. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Apr 9, 2016 4:11:08 GMT -5
Fucking hell, even Rudebox sold that much?
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Post by guigsysEstring on Apr 9, 2016 5:59:29 GMT -5
Fucking hell, even Rudebox sold that much? Unbelievably it did sell well- it was certified double platinum in the UK for 600,000 copies sold with worldwide certifications tallying another circa 3,500,000 although as ever the US essentially ignored Robbie. mossy move went fine thanks mate, and note to self graphs not texts which will be hard as I am a wordy twat!  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 11:40:52 GMT -5
lesson here is be careful how you treat people on the way up because you might meet on the way back down.
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Post by idleroses on Apr 9, 2016 11:44:44 GMT -5
I like some of Robbie's big singles. Decent pop artist in his prime
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Post by joladella on Apr 9, 2016 11:50:33 GMT -5
lesson here is be careful how you treat people on the way up because you might meet on the way back down. >He also discusses the band's early days and why he's not concerned about being too rude. "People have said sometimes, 'Oh, you've sort of like, disrespected so many people on the way up, what if you meet them on the way down?'" he says. "And it's like, one, we ain't ever gonna come down anyway, and if we do, we'll disrespect them on the way down as well."< www.rollingstone.com/music/premieres/watch-noel-gallagher-dissect-oasis-legendary-fights-in-lost-clip-20140908 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 12:00:41 GMT -5
hah lesson here is be careful how you treat people on the way up because you might meet on the way back down. >He also discusses the band's early days and why he's not concerned about being too rude. "People have said sometimes, 'Oh, you've sort of like, disrespected so many people on the way up, what if you meet them on the way down?'" he says. "And it's like, one, we ain't ever gonna come down anyway, and if we do, we'll disrespect them on the way down as well."< www.rollingstone.com/music/premieres/watch-noel-gallagher-dissect-oasis-legendary-fights-in-lost-clip-20140908haha didnt know this, still a true statement though, they DID come down, Liam was the rockstar in the best band in the world with an untouchable voice, now hes the guy with no band and an average voice at best, I expect there isnt a shortage of people ready to stick the boot in after his comments over the years when he was on top. even back in 2000, robbie got called the fat dancer from take that when oasis was big so when they released an album that didnt do very well its not surprising he wanted to get something back off them when he was hitting it big. at the end of the day, your success is never guaranteed, you can always end up back where you started, better not to burn your bridges when you might end up needing someone someday. |
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Post by mimmihopps on Apr 9, 2016 12:31:03 GMT -5
lesson here is be careful how you treat people on the way up because you might meet on the way back down. Treat others in the same way you want to be treated. |
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Post by festival on Apr 15, 2016 19:05:02 GMT -5
Noel likes to pretend that Robbie Williams was a tag along but I think this proves genuine friendship. . Also interesting that he may have been recorded doing backing vocals for 'cum on feel the noise'.
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Post by mossy on Apr 16, 2016 2:33:45 GMT -5
Robbie Williams' facial hair. Wow.
I think that was just laddish banter TBH. Fairly superficial.
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Post by Aman on Apr 16, 2016 4:13:27 GMT -5
So 90s.
Wtf was with that Snogging Challenge?
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Post by festival on Apr 16, 2016 4:48:59 GMT -5
Robbie Williams' facial hair. Wow. I think that was just laddish banter TBH. Fairly superficial. . True, he's hardly likely to tell the Robster to do one here but I read Noel invited him to the top of the pops episode they refer to. It's quite funny to hear him say 'see you next week,yeah' and 'uncle Noel' when you consider how much he publicly berated him later. It's also weird how nicely Robbie is portrayed in 'Getting High' and 'Take me There' . |
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Post by supernovadragon on Apr 16, 2016 7:39:07 GMT -5
That is just...bizarre...hearing them talk like that...so glad they stopped being any sort of friendly
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Post by festival on Apr 16, 2016 12:49:28 GMT -5
I like Robbie even though he's cringeworthy a lot of the time. I think their friendship here is quite funny a bit like when he interacts with Russel Brand. I can understand though in terms of a career move why Liam and Noel may of wanted to drop any association. I would imagine a night out with oasis and Robbie back in the day being hilarious though. Likely he became an annoying groupie too.
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Post by spud on Apr 16, 2016 13:57:45 GMT -5
Still don't know why they all fell out.
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Post by Adam on Apr 16, 2016 14:24:56 GMT -5
I couldn't imagine Noel would have let him dance on stage during Shakermaker if they weren't friends... Although I'm sure that helped in the breakdown of their friendship. Cringey for all involved.
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Post by eva on Apr 16, 2016 14:47:11 GMT -5
festival merged your thread with this one
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