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Post by Flatulence Panic on Apr 14, 2016 5:46:47 GMT -5
I thought everyone already knew that it was because the way he sings results in nodules forming on your vocal cords? Why are people speculating? Quite a bit of this Harvard Health Publications could describe Liam's vocal decline, caused as they say by not just his singing style but also overexposure of the vocal chords to irritating substances such as cigarette smoke and alcohol. The trouble with that is there are plenty of singers who have smoked and drank like fish just like Liam and still have their voices intact. Must definitely differ from person to person with some people just being unlucky. Also surely if Liam knew his voice was hurting wouldn't he change things ? What is the point of having a stance however cool that's ruining your bread and butter.
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Post by Flatulence Panic on Apr 14, 2016 5:50:29 GMT -5
People living in the past, arguing about a singer that is living in the past, and obsessing over a band that was past it. Perfect. ? A few questions: A. If they are past it why do you post here? Go elsewhere to your Vamps or Cattlefish forums. B. Plenty of people are still interested in Oasis. Until a couple of months ago i'm pretty sure I saw DM and WTSMG still in the top 100 album charts here in the UK. C. Yes we may be living in the past, the past created some glorious music, Oasis is one of the final links in the history of Rock N' Roll.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Apr 14, 2016 5:57:16 GMT -5
Quite a bit of this Harvard Health Publications could describe Liam's vocal decline, caused as they say by not just his singing style but also overexposure of the vocal chords to irritating substances such as cigarette smoke and alcohol. The trouble with that is there are plenty of singers who have smoked and drank like fish just like Liam and still have their voices intact. Must definitely differ from person to person with some people just being unlucky. Also surely if Liam knew his voice was hurting wouldn't he change things ? What is the point of having a stance however cool that's ruining your bread and butter. Given the conditions described are tissue damage it will vary from person to person, in much the same way not every smoker develops cancer or heavy drinker ulcers- not saying Liam is the latter but making a point. It may be that his singing style wasn't necessarily hurting Liam, given nodules and polyps aren't described as causing pain, but nonetheless over a period of time a combination of lifestyle and vocal style have caused irreparable damage.
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Post by Flatulence Panic on Apr 14, 2016 6:07:09 GMT -5
The trouble with that is there are plenty of singers who have smoked and drank like fish just like Liam and still have their voices intact. Must definitely differ from person to person with some people just being unlucky. Also surely if Liam knew his voice was hurting wouldn't he change things ? What is the point of having a stance however cool that's ruining your bread and butter. Given the conditions described are tissue damage it will vary from person to person, in much the same way not every smoker develops cancer or heavy drinker ulcers- not saying Liam is the latter but making a point. It may be that his singing style wasn't necessarily hurting Liam, given nodules and polyps aren't described as causing pain, but nonetheless over a period of time a combination of lifestyle and vocal style have caused irreparable damage. But it was obviously noticeable to the fans so surely noticeable to the band & Liam himself too. I'm sure something could have been done to prevent further damage but i'm guessing that just wasn't "Rock N' Roll" enough.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 7:02:33 GMT -5
I still prefer Liam's voice (shit or not) above a lot of other singers.
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Post by underneaththesky on Apr 14, 2016 7:23:32 GMT -5
Liam's voice changed because he's Liam.
might be another singer with a worst stance who's probably fine after 20 years..
We all fucking change.. watch Rocky IV.
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on Apr 14, 2016 11:15:48 GMT -5
Liam's voice changed because he's Liam. might be another singer with a worst stance who's probably fine after 20 years.. We all fucking change.. watch Rocky IV.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Apr 14, 2016 12:41:40 GMT -5
Liam's voice changed because he's Liam. might be another singer with a worst stance who's probably fine after 20 years.. We all fucking change.. watch Rocky IV. Featuring my namesake and erstwhile Oasis member on bass duties for that track!- NME 2002
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 18:59:40 GMT -5
I thought everyone already knew that it was because the way he sings results in nodules forming on your vocal cords? Why are people speculating? Quite a bit of this Harvard Health Publications could describe Liam's vocal decline, caused as they say by not just his singing style but also overexposure of the vocal chords to irritating substances such as cigarette smoke and alcohol. I don't buy it, in my (uneducated but in my opinion logical) opinion cigarettes and alcohol may change your voice, and even deteriorate it slightly, but the strain that you can hear in his voice has to come from nodules on vocal cords and the reason he sings in such a nasally fashion is (again in my opinion) as a result of no longer being able to get the note he wants from his throat so he closes it off, you can try it yourself, not just singing but with general noise, if you kind of close off the throat with your tongue (don't really know how describe it, that's the best I could do) the noise resonates in the nose instead of the throat (although it should be in the roof of the mouth, AS WE ALL KNOW ). More opinions than you can shake a stick at (in a fraction of a second (and more brackets than the world cup (not really))).
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Post by guigsysEstring on Apr 15, 2016 19:25:52 GMT -5
Quite a bit of this Harvard Health Publications could describe Liam's vocal decline, caused as they say by not just his singing style but also overexposure of the vocal chords to irritating substances such as cigarette smoke and alcohol. I don't buy it, in my (uneducated but in my opinion logical) opinion cigarettes and alcohol may change your voice, and even deteriorate it slightly, but the strain that you can hear in his voice has to come from nodules on vocal cords and the reason he sings in such a nasally fashion is (again in my opinion) as a result of no longer being able to get the note he wants from his throat so he closes it off, you can try it yourself, not just singing but with general noise, if you kind of close off the throat with your tongue (don't really know how describe it, that's the best I could do) the noise resonates in the nose instead of the throat (although it should be in the roof of the mouth, AS WE ALL KNOW ). More opinions than you can shake a stick at (in a fraction of a second (and more brackets than the world cup (not really))). Have to disagree re: alcohol and especially tobacco, Joni Mitchell and Marion Faithfull are two examples amongst many of the effects over a prolonged period of use. Agree that he can no longer get a particular note from his throat so he shouts or cuts off the note, but whilst nodules may well be on his vocal chords as far back as 1995 he was escorted by Oasis staff to Harley Street GPs for vocal complaints, with the diagnosis drugs and drink excess and to curb said excess- sadly it appears he didn't take that on board (souce-Iain Robertson'Oasis: What's the Story?' He was a former security operative for Oasis from 1994 to 1995, with his first name misspelled by the publisher in error)
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Post by jaq515 on Apr 15, 2016 19:27:32 GMT -5
Quite a bit of this Harvard Health Publications could describe Liam's vocal decline, caused as they say by not just his singing style but also overexposure of the vocal chords to irritating substances such as cigarette smoke and alcohol. I don't buy it, in my (uneducated but in my opinion logical) opinion cigarettes and alcohol may change your voice, and even deteriorate it slightly, but the strain that you can hear in his voice has to come from nodules on vocal cords and the reason he sings in such a nasally fashion is (again in my opinion) as a result of no longer being able to get the note he wants from his throat so he closes it off, you can try it yourself, not just singing but with general noise, if you kind of close off the throat with your tongue (don't really know how describe it, that's the best I could do) the noise resonates in the nose instead of the throat (although it should be in the roof of the mouth, AS WE ALL KNOW ). More opinions than you can shake a stick at (in a fraction of a second (and more brackets than the world cup (not really))). i agree like i say i've spoken to a big oasis fan who is also a 'singer' and they say it's majority technique as the stance, the upwards stretched throat/neck and the way he sings. They are all anti ways a singer should sing. The amount of gigs liam sang 93?-98 with that 'technique' would undoubtedly do damage vs proper technique (which however 'uncool' for liam to do oasis weren't about conforming to the right way' obv the rest would defo not help, drugs etc but as others say sure without stereotyping theres prob a high high % of big acts who's singers smoke, drink and take drugs too much (which at the worst end tabloid rehab stories show).. but mainly was liam who sung that way and ultimately was a voice of one of the biggest era's in uk music . Better to have loved and lost .. better to burn out than fade away (which obv not the right term because still about 'now'....) but i guess they never thought they'd last as long as they did and liams voice sealed the deal for oasis in the 90's (with obv great songs of course)
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Post by jaq515 on Apr 15, 2016 19:32:53 GMT -5
I don't buy it, in my (uneducated but in my opinion logical) opinion cigarettes and alcohol may change your voice, and even deteriorate it slightly, but the strain that you can hear in his voice has to come from nodules on vocal cords and the reason he sings in such a nasally fashion is (again in my opinion) as a result of no longer being able to get the note he wants from his throat so he closes it off, you can try it yourself, not just singing but with general noise, if you kind of close off the throat with your tongue (don't really know how describe it, that's the best I could do) the noise resonates in the nose instead of the throat (although it should be in the roof of the mouth, AS WE ALL KNOW ). More opinions than you can shake a stick at (in a fraction of a second (and more brackets than the world cup (not really))). Have to disagree re: alcohol and especially tobacco, Joni Mitchell and Marion Faithfull are two examples amongst many of the effects over a prolonged period of use. Agree that he can no longer get a particular note from his throat so he shouts or cuts off the note, but whilst nodules may well be on his vocal chords as far back as 1995 he was escorted by Oasis staff to Harley Street GPs for vocal complaints, with the diagnosis drugs and drink excess and to curb said excess- sadly it appears he didn't take that on board (souce-Iain Robertson'Oasis: What's the Story?' He was a former security operative for Oasis from 1994 to 1995, with his first name misspelled by the publisher in error) tho his voice was fine for another 3-5 years really and the oasis staff were never gonna tell him to change his singing style? At that period that was really one of the most iconic images of oasis? so i'd guess try and limit damage how they could while not affecting the 'product'
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Post by guigsysEstring on Apr 15, 2016 20:05:33 GMT -5
Have to disagree re: alcohol and especially tobacco, Joni Mitchell and Marion Faithfull are two examples amongst many of the effects over a prolonged period of use. Agree that he can no longer get a particular note from his throat so he shouts or cuts off the note, but whilst nodules may well be on his vocal chords as far back as 1995 he was escorted by Oasis staff to Harley Street GPs for vocal complaints, with the diagnosis drugs and drink excess and to curb said excess- sadly it appears he didn't take that on board (souce-Iain Robertson'Oasis: What's the Story?' He was a former security operative for Oasis from 1994 to 1995, with his first name misspelled by the publisher in error) tho his voice was fine for another 3-5 years really and the oasis staff were never gonna tell him to change his singing style? At that period that was really one of the most iconic images of oasis? so i'd guess try and limit damage how they could while not affecting the 'product' Don't disagree with any of that TBF my reply was to a reply to one of my posts saying smoking,etc would only slightly affect the voice. Also agree with your post about Liam's stance for singing causing issues, and as you said he wasn't about to become a singer who held the mic whilst moving about the stage as he had a set image. For what it's worth I am actually a fan of Liam's vocals, and re: the decline in his voice he certainly isn't the only singer who has records I listen to that he would probably not be able to recreate as they sound now, but that doesn't take away the great performances he gave both live and on record in the 90s for which I remain grateful
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Post by jaq515 on Apr 15, 2016 20:27:21 GMT -5
tho his voice was fine for another 3-5 years really and the oasis staff were never gonna tell him to change his singing style? At that period that was really one of the most iconic images of oasis? so i'd guess try and limit damage how they could while not affecting the 'product' Don't disagree with any of that TBF my reply was to a reply to one of my posts saying smoking,etc would only slightly affect the voice. Also agree with your post about Liam's stance for singing causing issues, and as you said he wasn't about to become a singer who held the mic whilst moving about the stage as he had a set image. For what it's worth I am actually a fan of Liam's vocals, and re: the decline in his voice he certainly isn't the only singer who has records I listen to that he would probably not be able to recreate as they sound now, but that doesn't take away the great performances he gave both live and on record in the 90s for which I remain grateful I just look at the 'evidence' and just think that Liam's voice, style and technique was/is very specific/ unique to him. There are millions? of singers who sing the 'right' way cos that's what they are supposed to do and do it cos it's 'right' it creates positives and eliminates negatives which is universal in any common techniques of anything (and why it's a common / the technique) He decided to go his own path and thus did create a very unique style and sound I'm sure if you said oasis singer to 'average' people they'd imitate Liam's voice / stance ; hands behind his back / neck stretched up etc.. Which is all wrong for a singer Obv him going that route away from 99% of singers made him an iconic voice/style but ultimately lead to bigger decline to average singer as again in any walk of life bad technique goes against the 'rules' for a reason He defo didn't help himself via lifestyle . Guess sort of a professional burning candle at both ends etc
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 15, 2016 21:23:07 GMT -5
Maybe, just maybe, the comment was said in hopes that Liam sorts out his voice so a reunion can happen. Makes sense.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Apr 16, 2016 10:12:48 GMT -5
Don't think Liãm's stance has much to do with his deteriorating vocals, more to do with the volume at which he sings/sang - Noël himself once said Liãm's the loudest singer he's ever heard, could easily explain him blowing out his vocal chords....smoking cigarettes also wouldn't help maintain a great singing range, neither would drinking alcohol.... Brian Cannon was once asked on Facebook what he thought was the reason for Liãm's lack of vocal range in recent years and he said it was from cocaine use. But what do I know, I'm just a fucking idiot. God bless.
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Post by spud on Apr 16, 2016 10:19:07 GMT -5
Maybe, just maybe, the comment was said in hopes that Liam sorts out his voice so a reunion can happen. Makes sense. Unless he becomes the world's first recipient of a voicebox transplant his voice is never going to get any better than it is now.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Apr 16, 2016 10:27:24 GMT -5
Maybe, just maybe, the comment was said in hopes that Liam sorts out his voice so a reunion can happen. Makes sense. Unless he becomes the world's first recipient of a voicebox transplant his voice is never going to get any better than it is now. Imagine him having the kind of device Stephen Hawking has
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2016 12:16:19 GMT -5
Noel made the same mistakes as Liam with his own unique talent. Noel thought he'd keep writing the songs he did for DM and MG forever, exhausted his supply and ended up in a rut. Liam's talent is unfortunately something physical that he can't get back. He's a perfect storm of alcoholism, substance abuse and destructive technique. Was amazing while it lasted, though.
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Post by spud on Apr 16, 2016 13:54:02 GMT -5
Noel made the same mistakes as Liam with his own unique talent. Noel thought he'd keep writing the songs he did for DM and MG forever, exhausted his supply and ended up in a rut. Liam's talent is unfortunately something physical that he can't get back. He's a perfect storm of alcoholism, substance abuse and destructive technique. Was amazing while it lasted, though. 'Alcoholism', lol.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 15:20:19 GMT -5
stumbled across this today, some people have probably heard it but the guy asks him whether people sell him short of the quality of his vocal.
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Post by mossy on May 11, 2016 1:26:05 GMT -5
Unless he becomes the world's first recipient of a voicebox transplant his voice is never going to get any better than it is now. Imagine him having the kind of device Stephen Hawking has In robot voice: "We are just an advanced breed of monkeys on a minor planet of a very average star. But we can understand the Universe. That makes us something very special, you bunch of fookin' student cants."
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Post by Flatulence Panic on May 11, 2016 5:39:16 GMT -5
stumbled across this today, some people have probably heard it but the guy asks him whether people sell him short of the quality of his vocal. 2:38 Found it more interesting that Liam still thought CD:UK still existed (This interview was about 2011 or something IIRC).
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Post by Flatulence Panic on May 11, 2016 5:41:01 GMT -5
Unless he becomes the world's first recipient of a voicebox transplant his voice is never going to get any better than it is now. Imagine him having the kind of device Stephen Hawking has Might improve his Across the Universe vocal... I'll get me coat.
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