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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 9:26:00 GMT -5
Of course lifestyle has an influence on your voice. Tjalke, I assume you've heard of Bonnie st. Claire? What I mean is, is that Noel sings like most people do. During the Be Here Now tour Liam was just screaming/shouting. Nothing wrong with that, but I think that that has more influence on your voice than cigarettes, drugs and alcohol. Noel took those things too and became a good singer. (Compare Acquiesce Live By The Sea to Familiar To Millions)
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Apr 3, 2016 9:39:49 GMT -5
Of course lifestyle has an influence on your voice. Tjalke, I assume you've heard of Bonnie st. Claire? What I mean is, is that Noel sings like most people do. During the Be Here Now tour Liam was just screaming/shouting. Nothing wrong with that, but I think that that has more influence on your voice than cigarettes, drugs and alcohol. Noel took those things too and became a good singer. (Compare Acquiesce Live By The Sea to Familiar To Millions) I think mostly it's still cigarettes, drugs, alcohol plus aging. Everyone's body is different so the influence of those things is also different on everyone's voice. Some end up losing their voices due to smoking, some are just fine smoking 3 packs a day for their whole life. It's an individual thing.
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Post by jaq515 on Apr 3, 2016 9:52:33 GMT -5
I think it's mostly driven by technique / stance (which when I've spoken to singers with actual knowledge they said everything he does basically is wrong) The reason why no other singer has really ever sung like that is because it is wrong and would be damaging to their voice, it's not a coincidence that Liam had technique/style no other singer has but he's damaged his Voice.
Obv those other things would indeed damage your voice, but if Liam had been clean living for 20 years or even 10 years his voice would still be damaged
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Post by jaq515 on Apr 3, 2016 9:54:11 GMT -5
What I mean is, is that Noel sings like most people do. During the Be Here Now tour Liam was just screaming/shouting. Nothing wrong with that, but I think that that has more influence on your voice than cigarettes, drugs and alcohol. Noel took those things too and became a good singer. (Compare Acquiesce Live By The Sea to Familiar To Millions) I think mostly it's still cigarettes, drugs, alcohol plus aging. Everyone's body is different so the influence of those things is also different on everyone's voice. Some end up losing their voices due to smoking, some are just fine smoking 3 packs a day for their whole life. It's an individual thing. So if it's an individual thing not a general rule how can you know for Liam that's the cause?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 10:07:46 GMT -5
from my view, Liams voice degradation was down to mostly a couple of factors one was wear and tear, youll notice it started changing right after the first tour when he was starting to use it more often and he wasnt looking after it and from their it just got deeper and then got rougher and rougher until it got to those later stages.
the nasally thing hes got going might be the drug use as its damaged the airways in his nose, when he doesnt sound as nasally hes not all that much different from that 02-04 era imo.
I dont think aging has much to do with it as his voice was changing right from day 1 and only lasted until around 01 so its not like he got alot older in that timeframe, imo he just simply had a destructive technique of singing, his voice was always rough later in the tours even 96 but he always recovered, after that 01 tour it just never came back like it did before and from there on out he was starting each tour with his voice in worse shape so it just got worse, they shouldve calmed the tour schedule down after 01 imo, Liam simply couldnt tour to the extent he did in the earlier days yet they went and did the HC and DBTT tours which just finished it off.
had he stuck with the vocal style he had from the very early demos eg more laid back instead of that throat singing it probably wouldnt of gone down so quick.
Noel has more standard approach to singing, Liams was pretty much as he said it was "shouting in tune" and that isnt going to last you very long.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Apr 3, 2016 13:03:55 GMT -5
I think mostly it's still cigarettes, drugs, alcohol plus aging. Everyone's body is different so the influence of those things is also different on everyone's voice. Some end up losing their voices due to smoking, some are just fine smoking 3 packs a day for their whole life. It's an individual thing. So if it's an individual thing not a general rule how can you know for Liam that's the cause? Well, @tjalke said that the screaming during Be Here Now tour is the cause of Liam losing voice, so not 30 years of smoking everyday but one " MAMA" scream stands behind his problems ? Fuckin' hell, kids, don't scream MAMA ! Here is where it all went wrong, we finally got the answer :
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 13:10:15 GMT -5
So if it's an individual thing not a general rule how can you know for Liam that's the cause? Well, @tjalke said that the screaming during Be Here Now tour is the cause of Liam losing voice, so not 30 years of smoking everyday but one " MAMA" scream stands behind his problems ? Fuckin' hell, kids, don't scream MAMA ! Here is where it all went wrong, we finally got the answer :
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Apr 3, 2016 13:12:28 GMT -5
Well, @tjalke said that the screaming during Be Here Now tour is the cause of Liam losing voice, so not 30 years of smoking everyday but one " MAMA" scream stands behind his problems ? Fuckin' hell, kids, don't scream MAMA ! Here is where it all went wrong, we finally got the answer : I'm just playing with this I know what you mean and you're right. Probably it's the mix of smoking and using his voice the wrong way. Of course.
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Post by albarncoxon on Apr 3, 2016 17:05:42 GMT -5
Totally agree with Noel... He has become a great singer through the years, is writing great songs... Liam fucked up his voice not taking care of it: drinking and smoking like if he wasn´t a singer at all... I would love to see the guys together again, but... what´s the point??? Liam can´t sing anymore... Maybe there´s something to do with his voice, with properly treatment, and will, most than other thing... But, knowing Liam, that´s not going to happen... I don't think that it has anything to do with cigarettes and alcohol. Noel did the same as Liam for many years. It's just the way he sings. He doesn't really sing but he is shouting. It has a lot to do... Noel used to sing in certain songs, or acoustic sets, not really forcing his throat... Liam kind of scream more than sing (and I loved that, especially during the BHN tour)... There was a change in his singing style, but I think it was already too late. Liam used to smoke a lot, interviews, during rehearsals... not even talk about partying.... The other thing is that Noel has a very different singing style: not so raw, more accurate... So his throat hasn´t suffered much...
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Post by The Thieving Magpie on Apr 4, 2016 11:36:21 GMT -5
TO ALL
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Post by guigsysEstring on Apr 4, 2016 11:42:08 GMT -5
Surely this as well?
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Post by The Thieving Magpie on Apr 4, 2016 11:53:20 GMT -5
Surely this as well? ah yeah, I think it remains the same.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 19:42:39 GMT -5
Meh, Liam's voice is gone, so fucking what, we had a great fucking innings, if he hadn't sung that way the songs wouldn't have been anyway near as good, Liam was/is a god and always will be, he just can't sing that great any more (don't get me wrong I'd still be up for an Oasis album with Liam on lead vox) let's be thankful for what we got, we got a long, long time of powerful, sincere, great vocals, and I'll be gratetful to him for that until the day I die.
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Post by noliamno on Apr 7, 2016 9:39:50 GMT -5
It also didn't help when someone along the way compared him to John Lennon. Cue the heavy Phil Spector reverb and the whining through his nose that's continued to this day.
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Post by paperbackwriter on Apr 7, 2016 12:15:50 GMT -5
It's obviously his stance. We have been over this alrrady, but I will say that BHN was the most challenging album for him, and it was right after that tour that his Voice was never the same. It's not a coincidence. Have you ever tried singing dont go away like Liam? It's brutal stuff!
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Apr 7, 2016 12:32:03 GMT -5
It's just getting boring hear Noel plod his way through Oasis songs though isnt it?
Meh
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Post by joladella on Apr 7, 2016 13:30:42 GMT -5
It's obviously his stance. We have been over this alrrady, but I will say that BHN was the most challenging album for him, and it was right after that tour that his Voice was never the same. It's not a coincidence. Have you ever tried singing dont go away like Liam? It's brutal stuff! Maybe that was a slight exaggeration, but Noel once said that Liam could not sing for a week after recording "Fade in/out".
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Post by Aman on Apr 7, 2016 14:33:22 GMT -5
It's just getting boring hear Noel plod his way through Oasis songs though isnt it? Meh Just dull. No charisma.
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on Apr 7, 2016 14:41:49 GMT -5
People looove to criticise his voice. I bet there are even people who would like to hear him singing again, just to criticise his voice.
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Post by XTRMNTRSCREAM on Apr 7, 2016 15:57:40 GMT -5
People living in the past, arguing about a singer that is living in the past, and obsessing over a band that was past it.
Perfect.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Apr 7, 2016 16:04:34 GMT -5
People living in the past, arguing about a singer that is living in the past, and obsessing over a band that was past it. Perfect. Says the one posting on a forum dedicated to that "band that was past it".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2016 17:01:31 GMT -5
see today I was watching supersonic at maine road, someone said "these guys need to reunite now" and someone else posted "no they dont Liams voice is gone" now its a valid point about a reunion tbh, people listen to the music videos and the classic gigs of the 90s and fantasize about oasis reuniting yet if you want a more truthful version of a 2016 oasis then it probably would be more the electric proms or any other 08/09 gig, Liam and the rest of the band arnt suddenly going to become that 90s version everyone wants.
Im not saying they wouldnt be able to pull off a massive gig, Liam would be rested up enough to sing well enough and it would still be massive but from my view its still not going to be what a lot of people are expecting because the oasis they are listening to and watching was 20 years ago.
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Post by jaq515 on Apr 7, 2016 17:19:24 GMT -5
see today I was watching supersonic at maine road, someone said "these guys need to reunite now" and someone else posted "no they dont Liams voice is gone" now its a valid point about a reunion tbh, people listen to the music videos and the classic gigs of the 90s and fantasize about oasis reuniting yet if you want a more truthful version of a 2016 oasis then it probably would be more the electric proms or any other 08/09 gig, Liam and the rest of the band arnt suddenly going to become that 90s version everyone wants. Im not saying they wouldnt be able to pull off a massive gig, Liam would be rested up enough to sing well enough and it would still be massive but from my view its still not going to be what a lot of people are expecting because the oasis they are listening to and watching was 20 years ago. yeah I agree never gonna be the 90's as by time it happens they'll both be 'old men' I cant remember any oasis gig i ever went to where in the moment of the gig, the songs, the music, the band, noel, liam wasn't a fantastic experience .. (its a gig not a video on the internet) I *have* then heard bootlegs, be it audience, YT or even pro shot (the footage from lille 06 a french local news program comes to mind) and liams vocals were beyond shit!.. i couldnt believe was same thing id heard in person If they reformed either way i think for people at the this gigs the 'voice' wouldnt even nearly be a 'thing' it would sound great and those people would have as good night as a gig 20 years ago but lets be honest we are at least 5-10 years away from this even nearly happening
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 18:38:38 GMT -5
I thought everyone already knew that it was because the way he sings results in nodules forming on your vocal cords? Why are people speculating?
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Post by guigsysEstring on Apr 13, 2016 22:42:53 GMT -5
I thought everyone already knew that it was because the way he sings results in nodules forming on your vocal cords? Why are people speculating? Quite a bit of this Harvard Health Publications could describe Liam's vocal decline, caused as they say by not just his singing style but also overexposure of the vocal chords to irritating substances such as cigarette smoke and alcohol.
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