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Post by guigsysEstring on Feb 26, 2016 18:10:00 GMT -5
Even the most die hard SOTSOG fan (and there seem to be many on here) cannot disagree that SCYHO, Little By Little, The Hindu Times and Songbird would go down better at a gig than anything off that album. It isnt really a surprise. It reads just like im sure Noel's ratings of the albums go. It's incredibly frustrating that a band with arguably one of the best catalogues of any living band can be so lazy. Not sure about these days but I do remember SCYHO getting a collective yawn at Birmingham Indoor Arena in December 2002 (which I admit surprised me). Personally I would take a SOTSOG ahead of that one any day as they already have enough flag wavers to fill a set from their 90's catalogue, and which are invariably better than that one. I will give you the other three to get a crowd going though in a mixed set list that should really encompass the band's career
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Feb 26, 2016 18:30:51 GMT -5
Even the most die hard SOTSOG fan (and there seem to be many on here) cannot disagree that SCYHO, Little By Little, The Hindu Times and Songbird would go down better at a gig than anything off that album. It isnt really a surprise. It reads just like im sure Noel's ratings of the albums go. It's incredibly frustrating that a band with arguably one of the best catalogues of any living band can be so lazy. Not sure about these days but I do remember SCYHO getting a collective yawn at Birmingham Indoor Arena in December 2002 (which I admit surprised me). Personally I would take a SOTSOG ahead of that one any day as they already have enough flag wavers to fill a set from their 90's catalogue, and which are invariably better than that one. I will give you the other three to get a crowd going though in a mixed set list that should really encompass the band's career I'd actually rate Stop Crying Your Heart Out as one of the best anthems now. I think it has aged very well and sits alongside any of those songs from the 90s. If Oasis did a gig tomorrow i'm sure that would go down better than anything off SOTSOG. I think in the main anything off SOTSOG would have the sort of reception My Big Mouth got on the DOYS tour, i.e a good old song for the die hards but treated as a complete unknown by the casuals.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Feb 26, 2016 18:42:20 GMT -5
Not sure about these days but I do remember SCYHO getting a collective yawn at Birmingham Indoor Arena in December 2002 (which I admit surprised me). Personally I would take a SOTSOG ahead of that one any day as they already have enough flag wavers to fill a set from their 90's catalogue, and which are invariably better than that one. I will give you the other three to get a crowd going though in a mixed set list that should really encompass the band's career I'd actually rate Stop Crying Your Heart Out as one of the best anthems now. I think it has aged very well and sits alongside any of those songs from the 90s. If Oasis did a gig tomorrow i'm sure that would go down better than anything off SOTSOG. I think in the main anything off SOTSOG would have the sort of reception My Big Mouth got on the DOYS tour, i.e a good old song for the die hards but treated as a complete unknown by the casuals. I can see where you are coming from, but do you not think if we are talking about "casual" fans then anything not on Definitely Maybe, (What's The Story) Morning Glory? or perhaps that era's classic b-sides is going to be greeted almost as if it is an unknown song? That song itself was released nearly fourteen years ago as a single (God I'm old! ) and like most of the post 1998 to 2005 material especially was in the shadow of the two albums that preceded them. That said if it got attention on a well promoted "Time Flies" that was reissued to coincide with a reunion tour for example then I think it would gain new recognition, along with the rest of a sometimes not underrated, but perhaps undervalued, catalogue
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Post by jaq515 on Feb 26, 2016 19:25:17 GMT -5
Even the most die hard SOTSOG fan (and there seem to be many on here) cannot disagree that SCYHO, Little By Little, The Hindu Times and Songbird would go down better at a gig than anything off that album. It isnt really a surprise. It reads just like im sure Noel's ratings of the albums go. It's incredibly frustrating that a band with arguably one of the best catalogues of any living band can be so lazy. Not sure about these days but I do remember SCYHO getting a collective yawn at Birmingham Indoor Arena in December 2002 (which I admit surprised me). Personally I would take a SOTSOG ahead of that one any day as they already have enough flag wavers to fill a set from their 90's catalogue, and which are invariably better than that one. I will give you the other three to get a crowd going though in a mixed set list that should really encompass the band's career i know this goes against the grain but i suspect that while we appreciate gas panic for instance as a great great oasis song i dont think that went down that well with the masses of the oasis greatest hits tour post 2000
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Post by beentherenow on Feb 27, 2016 2:58:17 GMT -5
Not sure about these days but I do remember SCYHO getting a collective yawn at Birmingham Indoor Arena in December 2002 (which I admit surprised me). Personally I would take a SOTSOG ahead of that one any day as they already have enough flag wavers to fill a set from their 90's catalogue, and which are invariably better than that one. I will give you the other three to get a crowd going though in a mixed set list that should really encompass the band's career i know this goes against the grain but i suspect that while we appreciate gas panic for instance as a great great oasis song i dont think that went down that well with the masses of the oasis greatest hits tour post 2000 Whilst I'm not disagreeing with you and think if Oasis played Gas Panic again to 80,000 people it wouldn't go down as well as say Little by Little, what instances are you referring to above? I thought Gas Panic was dropped after the Noise and Confusion gigs and never seen again? Despite whatever reaction it got or may get, it is not one of those crowd interaction songs. You can't jump up and down to it and it's not a great singalong but it's a mighty fine tune. Not every oasis song live needed to sound great to a drunk fairweather fan with his two pints in his hand so he could sing/shout to it. I'm sure that's the type of fan Noel was trying to appease with the sets
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Feb 27, 2016 7:45:25 GMT -5
I'd actually rate Stop Crying Your Heart Out as one of the best anthems now. I think it has aged very well and sits alongside any of those songs from the 90s. If Oasis did a gig tomorrow i'm sure that would go down better than anything off SOTSOG. I think in the main anything off SOTSOG would have the sort of reception My Big Mouth got on the DOYS tour, i.e a good old song for the die hards but treated as a complete unknown by the casuals. I can see where you are coming from, but do you not think if we are talking about "casual" fans then anything not on Definitely Maybe, (What's The Story) Morning Glory? or perhaps that era's classic b-sides is going to be greeted almost as if it is an unknown song? That song itself was released nearly fourteen years ago as a single (God I'm old! ) and like most of the post 1998 to 2005 material especially was in the shadow of the two albums that preceded them. That said if it got attention on a well promoted "Time Flies" that was reissued to coincide with a reunion tour for example then I think it would gain new recognition, along with the rest of a sometimes not underrated, but perhaps undervalued, catalogue I think what you say is exactly what is reflected in Noel's choices for the live sets. I think if we are talking songs that recognised outside the Oasis fanbase then Stop Crying Your Heart Out is certainly among them. Which is a bit of a rarity post 2000. I liked the NME line of "proof genius never really left Oasis'. Sums that tune up for me.
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Post by mkoasis on Feb 27, 2016 20:00:00 GMT -5
Why pander to casuals? They only want to hear Wonderwall, DLBIA, CS, MG (at least here in North America) plus maybe C&A or Live Forever. Plenty of room for rotating fan favourites, and lesser known album tracks in the rest of the set.
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Post by mkoasis on Feb 27, 2016 20:05:11 GMT -5
Another point is that you have a give the song a chance to become a classic. Look at HTWA. In the 90s, you'd never have thought this would one day be one of Noel's main anthem live songs. He never played it except twice in low profile gigs (supporting Paul Weller at Brixton Academy in MArch 97 and Oasis in Vancouver in Jan 98). It wasn't until he started playing it live more often that he gave the song the chance to become an iconic live number. Look at how well it was received at Glasgow Barrowlands.
I think songs like LDSMD and Shout It Out Loud could easily have also become signature live anthems, had they not been ditched after a couple outings. They may have been a bit clunky at first, but so was AKA WAL and look now what a show highlight that is.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Feb 27, 2016 22:29:35 GMT -5
Why pander to casuals? They only want to hear Wonderwall, DLBIA, CS, MG (at least here in North America) plus maybe C&A or Live Forever. Plenty of room for rotating fan favourites, and lesser known album tracks in the rest of the set. That's what I used to enjoy about bands like REM- you would get the hits but you would always get some gems from their eighties catalogue thrown in as well (at least at the shows I went to). The songs for casuals at an Oasis or even perhaps a NGHFB show as you say can be covered in six or seven songs (probably less for HFB), leaving plenty of remaining time to have slots for alternating songs from the back catalogue. Unfortunately I think it's as much laziness as anything else in bothering to reintroduce rarely played songs or simply stick with the same tunes that have been bashed out to various degrees over the years.
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Post by standbymoi on Feb 28, 2016 6:00:15 GMT -5
What were they thinking playing The Meaning of Soul that many times. I guess Noel thought it's a nice little easy one for Liam to sail through to fill the set and look as though they're playing new material.
So many BHN & SOTSOG songs I wish they'd of played live. But then that's just my teenage nostalgic wishful thinking kicking in. I got into them in 2000. I guess the public need to hear the hits, but BHN though, 7 million physical sales. As Noel said in VH1 behind the music - most bands won't sell 7 million in their whole career.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Feb 28, 2016 10:02:30 GMT -5
Another point is that you have a give the song a chance to become a classic. Look at HTWA. In the 90s, you'd never have thought this would one day be one of Noel's main anthem live songs. He never played it except twice in low profile gigs (supporting Paul Weller at Brixton Academy in MArch 97 and Oasis in Vancouver in Jan 98). It wasn't until he started playing it live more often that he gave the song the chance to become an iconic live number. Look at how well it was received at Glasgow Barrowlands. I think songs like LDSMD and Shout It Out Loud could easily have also become signature live anthems, had they not been ditched after a couple outings. They may have been a bit clunky at first, but so was AKA WAL and look now what a show highlight that is. I agree with what you say but is Half the World Away not an example of completely the opposite of what you're saying? That tune has become what it has through being on TV and exposing it that way. To me that song is proof that if it's good enough to be a great anthem then eventually it will become that, rather than playing it alot and hoping it becomes so. Noel Gallagher would rather play to 15,000 casual fans in an arena than 1,500 die hards in an academy. His ego is too big to be limited to places like that. He will always play Don't Look Back In Anger. Not that im complaining about that.
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